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#501
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mae ny khud suna,,, meri aik friend hy wo b Ahl-e-toshe haen,,, wo keh rhi thi k ager aap logoon k apny mar jaen to ro ro k bura haal hota hy,,, wo to phr bht azeem insan thy un ki shahadat pe rona swaab hy,,, jab sb ko pata hy k apni jan per zulm krny ki ISLAM ijazat nhi deta to phr kis base pe hota hy ye sb??

Mein ne kaha tha na k aap sunni sunai baaton per yaqeen rakhti hain tabhi sunni kehlati hain :P
Kher kisi per rona shariat k khilaf nahi hai balkeh agar aap hadith perhein to Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya k rona Allah ki rehmat hai...
Aap Allah ki rehmat ko haraam qaraar de rahi hain ??
Aur aap ne kaha k Islam insan ko apnay ooper zulm ki ijazat nahi deta,phir jihad kiun hai Islam mein ??
Kiya jihad mein insan apnay ooper zulm nahi kerta k zakham bhi khata hai aur aur azaa katwata bhi hai ??
Her hukam ko her baat per laagu nahi ker saktein aap...ab fakhar aur gharoor k sath insan ka chalna Islam mein bilkul khilaf hai lakin wohi amal jang mein jaiz ho jata hai ta k dushman per roab paray...

ihtajaaj krna ghalat nhi hy... aap ko pata hy k ISLAM mae "apni jaan per zulm krna" gunah hy...

Jaan per zulm kon kerta hai ??
matam kernay se koi jaan per zulm nahi hai,hazrat ayesha ne kiya matam,madina ki auraton ne kiya matam,Hazrat Sarah ne moun per matam kiya aur iss ka zikr Quran mein mojood hai,kiya aap kisi molvi ka fatwa dikhaein gi k Hazrat Sarah ne haram kaam kiya ??

lo sun lo,,, ye kis ny kaha k hum yazeed ko khalifa manty haen?? lagta hy kuch zyada he search kr li ap ny...

Dekhein aap ne apni books bilkul bhi nahi perhi hui hain tabhi aap ko ilm nahi hai k aap k aqeeda mein 6th khalifah kon hai,aap k bohat se muatabar ulma yazeed lanati ko apna khalifah mantay hain...

matam krny sy zalim be-naqab hota hy?? oar hmaen matam is liye bura nhi lagta ,,, bl k isliye bura lgata hy k jis cheez ki ISLAM mae ijazat nhi wo q krty ho??

Islam ne ahtejaj ki ijazat di hai aur koi aisa qanoon bhi nahi bunaya k ahtejaj kaisay hona chahiye,chalein aap matam ko nahi mantay lakin aap ne kab ahtejaj kiya Karbala k zulm per ??

kesi madad mangty haen aap?? aap ny kaha tha k hum to logoon sy b madad mangty haen thek hy,,, logoon sy hum kesi madad mangty haen,,, study mae help kr do, flaan chez la do etc, to kya shaheed log aap ko paani pila skty haen?? study mae help kr skty haen?? aap un sy aesi madad mangty ho like "kashti paar laga dy " ya istrah ka he kuch,,, to aesi madad srf ALLAH sy mangi jati hy,,, kbhi HAZRAT ALI (R.A.) ny kaha tha k mery baad mujh sy madad mangna?? ya HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W.) ny aesa kuch kaha tha?? wo hmesha yehe kehty thy k ALLAH sy mango,,, ALLAH k ilawa kisi oar sy aesi madad mangna shirk kehlata hy,,, q k jo kaam ALLAH ny he krna hy wo koi oar nhi kr skta,,,,

Aap ne kabhi tawassul k baray mein perha ya sirf hamesha ki terha sunni sunai baaton per yaqeen kerti hain ??
Aap pehlay yeh bataein k aap ne shia k baray mein kiya suna k woh madad k baray mein kiya aqeeda rakhtay hain ??

us ka answer b mae ny aap ko dia tha ager yad ho to,, wrna repeat kr doon?? mae ny tab b yehe kaha tha k wo shaheed haen oar shaheed zinda hoty haen lekin ager kuuch mangna ho to ALLAH sy mango,,, q k ISLAM mae kaheen b is bat ka ziker nhi hy k ALLAH k ilawa kisi oar k samny hath phelao,,,



r u saying about battle of jamaal??
Shukar hai k aap ko jang yaad hai werna mujhay to lag raha tha aap iss waqiya ka bhi inkar ker dein gi :P

oar ager aap kehty haen k HAZRAT AYESHA (R.A.) masoom nhi the unhun ny HAZRAT ALI (R.A.) k khilaf jang ki thi to phr aap ye q kehty haen k HAZRAT AYESHA (R.A.) ny matam kiya tha unhun ny ghlt nhi kiya islye hum b sahi haen,,, aik muamly mae aap un k khilaf haen dossry mae unhi ki pervi ka dawa b hy??
Dekhein aap ko kis ne kaha k hum follow kertay hain hazrat ayesha ko ??
Agar aap masnad imam humbal ki hadith ki baat ker rahi hain to woh mein ne aap ko iss liye dikhaye ta k aap ko ilm ho sakay k hazrat ayesha ne bhi matam kiya tha,woh sirf aap ko samjhanay k liye tha na k hum unn ko follow kertay hain...
Hum to hazrat ayesha ko follow kertay hi nahi hain,kiun k aap unhain follow kertay hain iss liye aap ko aap ki book se aisay waqiyat dikhatay hain ta k aap k ilm mein izafa ho sakay.



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ahaan,,, kahan sy change tha topic?? yehe bataya hy mae ny b k is madad oar us madad mae kya frq hy,,, aam insan k bus mae bht c cheezen nhi hoti,,, jis mae sy aik rizq hy,,, wo koi insan aap ko nhi de skta ,,, wo ager mangna ho to srf ALLAh k samny hath phelana chahye,,,ye wo madad hy,,, jab k aap logun ka kehna hy "jo cheez ALLAH sy na milly wo HUSSAIN (R.A.) sy maano" ye word mae ny khud suny haen,,, kya ye shirk nhi hy??

Aap ko kis ne kaha k shia Allah se rizq nahi mangtay aur dosron se mangtay hain ?? Phir sunni sunai baat per aap ne yaqeen ker liya ??

ye aap ka man'na hy k wo QURAN k khilaf gaeen,,, real mae aesa nhi hy,,, aap log to ye b kehty haen k unhun ny HAZRAT ALI (R.A.) k khilaf jang b ki,,,

Kiya aap nahi mantein k hazrat ayesha ne Mola Ali a.s k khilaf jang ki ?? Kiya aap iss baat ko sabit ker saktein hain k hazrat ayesha ne jang nahi ki thi ??
Aur aap mujhay sirf itna bata dein k Quran mein jo hukam aaya hai k apnay gharon mein bethi raho,uss ka kiya matlab hai ??

mae just ye keh rhi hun k aap poori ayat bayan kr skty haen yaahn k nhi... is k ilawa baat ghumany ka koi maqsad nhi tha mera,,, ok
Dekhein agar aap ko meri kisi baat per etiraz hai to aap clear ker dein k uss ayat ka yeh matlab bunta hai...iss terha aap Quran k hukam ka inkar to nahi ker saktein.



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lolx,,, ab shiaism k bary mae mae un sy nhi sunaen gy to oar kin sy sunaen gy??? iska matlab wo khud jo kehty haen wo b ghlt hota hy kya??

ab yahan aap HADITH ki tashreeh apni mrzi sy ker rhy haen,,, wo hi baat,,, aadhi bat sun k matlb nikal lena,,, ANSOO ko insan ki zindagi ki zakaat kaha gya hy,,, means apny aamaal per rony ko,,, ager aesi baat thi to HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W.) ky bety HAZRAT IBRAHEEM (A.S.) ki death per AAP (S.A.W.W.) nae aesa koi kaam q nhi kiya???

ISLAM insan ko apny ooper zulm ki ijazat nhi deta,,, oar aap sy kis ny kaha k jihaad krny waly apny ooper zulm he kr rhy hoty haen?? wo ALLAH k liye lrrty haen,,, oar jihaad k doraan shaheed hony walun ki misaal aesi hy k un ka aik paunis duniya mae oar dosra jannat mae hota hy,,, unhe koi takleef nhi puhanchti,,, wo to ISLAAM ye b kehta hy k apny waldaenn ki kisi baat sy inkaar na kro,,, lekin ager wo shirk k liye kahaen to na maano,,, ab aap kya kahaen gy k islam mae parents ki respect nhi q k un k khilaf bolny ko kaha gya hy,,?? her aadhi baat ka matlab kbhi b poora nhi hota,,,

oar yehe baat mae keh rhi hun k her jagah baat ka same matlab nhi hota... tab aap kehty haen k "aap k asool her jagah change hoty haen" ab maan gy khud he k her baat her jagah same meaning nhi deti,,


(baqi answer baad mae deti hun,,, light i tou,,,)
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sho in se baat karna hi fazool hay.. pehlay kalma pe to baat ho jaye.. matam to boht baad ki baat hay... islam ka kalma kiya hy .. jo Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) ne bataya.. ab yeh mut kahiyay ga ke app (S.A.W) ne kaha ke Ali (R.A) meray khalifa hongay baad me is liyay add kardiya..

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Dekhein pehli baat to yeh hai k Kalma kahin bhi specific nazil nahi hua balkeh yeh aik shahadat hai k humara yeh aqeeda hai,Aap ko shia k kalma per etiraz hai j jab k sunnion k 6 kalma hai,koi bata sakta hai k woh kahan se nazil huay ??
Aur hamara kalma ahla sunnah ki books mein mojood hai aur hum kalma Rasool Allah saww k hukam k mutabiq hi perhtay hain,aap dawat e zul asheera ka waqiya perh lein jis mein Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya k Ali a.s mera wasi hai aur meray baad mera khalifah hai,mujhay samajh nahi aati k ahl sunnah hadith ko maananay ka dawa to kertay hain magar yahan aa ker kiun inkar ker detay hain...
Jahan tak baat hai namaz ki to hum 5 namaz hi perhtay hain lakin 3 timings per aur aap Quran se namaz ki 5 timings sabit nahi ker saktay,quran mein sirf 3 timings bataye gaye hain...aur Rasool Allah saww ne bhi 3 auqat per 5 namazein perhi hain aur yeh ahl sunnah ki hadith books mein bhi mojood hai,mujhay samajh nahi aati k ahl sunnah apni books nahi perhtay aur ilzam shia per laga detay hain k woh kuch ghalat kaam ker rahay hain.


Pehli baar hi suna hai k sunnis ki book main hai kalimah? ager hai to phir sab sunniz is ko accept q ni krtay?

Forget these, the differences Shia's have all are in correct. Opening fast after the sunset. Marriage is only a contract. You can bring a second wife without asking from your first wife or even if you keep your second wife hidden, it still does not considered a sin.Rejecting all other sahabis and so on.

I have done Religious studies and dun tell me we do this and we do that.


sho in se baat karna hi fazool hay.. pehlay kalma pe to baat ho jaye.. matam to boht baad ki baat hay... islam ka kalma kiya hy .. jo Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) ne bataya.. ab yeh mut kahiyay ga ke app (S.A.W) ne kaha ke Ali (R.A) meray khalifa hongay baad me is liyay add kardiya..


I never heard Shia' kalimah is written in any Ahl-e-Sunnah's book until Mr Omar Khan claimed in his above post.

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lo Yahan aap ne HAZRAT SARA RA ko b nahi choraaa jo herat se aesa karti hain halan kay Farishte tu in k liye khush khabri le k aaye thay or as u know wo kaafi aged thein jab Allah ne olad ki khushkhabri unko di jab insan koii unxepcted news sunta hai tu wo astonished hojata hai or jis tarah hum normal life main herat ka izhar kartay hain isi tarah Hazrat SARA AS ne b herat k izhar k toar pe aesa kia...ab herat or baqol aap k IHTAJAAJ donoon pe kiye jany waly action ko matam kehty haen aap? herat hy

lo again wohi baat,,, mujhy jis ny kaha na k ALLAH sy nhi kisi oar sy mangty haen,,, wo khud shia hy islye,,, oar jo kuch clear kr rhi hun uski smjh ap ko aa rhi hy jo ab aaye gi??? oar main cheez ye nhi hoti ... QURAN sy proof lao k aesa "na krny" ka hukm kahan hy,,, main chez hy k aesa krny ka kahan kaha gya hy?? kiyon k Quraan main Namaz' roza' zakaat' haj ka hukum tu mil gayaa lekin matam ka nahi mila.. jab aik cheez ka koii zikr siray se hai hi nahiii tu ya kahan se sabit hogyaa k jaaiz hai,,,??

oar haan mae ny zyada buks nhi prhi,,, lekin mujhy itna pata hy k aaj tak kisi sy SUNA b nhi mae ny ye jo aap keh rhy haen,, q k jo baat sedhi oar saaf hy us ko koi pagal he oar complicate kre ga,,, ab aap suni sunai bat pe ja rhy haen yahan,,, mae bach gai...

ISLAM ager kisi cheez ki ijazat deta hy to us ka treeq b batata hy,,, kahan likha k matam ihtajaaj ka treeqa hy?? hum ihtajaaj nhi krty,,, q k uswqt un k sathi bn k lrry thy,,, oar jo loug us wqt un ka sath to dena chahty thy lekin yazeed k der sy de nhi sky thy,,, un logoon ko HAZRAT ZENIB (R.A.) ny badua di thi k tum louug qayamat tak aesy he roty raho gy,,, aor ab wo apni shirmindagi ko chupanay k liye bahany banaty haen ,,,n that z it,,,

JAZAKALLAH khair....
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lolx,,, ab shiaism k bary mae mae un sy nhi sunaen gy to oar kin sy sunaen gy??? iska matlab wo khud jo kehty haen wo b ghlt hota hy kya??
Mein ne to apni kisi post mein aisa nahi kaha k mein ne kisi sunni se aisa suna balkeh mein aap ki books se sabit ker raha hoon,aap kiun k sunni hain issi liye sunni sunai baaton per yaqeen kerti hain :P
ab yahan aap HADITH ki tashreeh apni mrzi sy ker rhy haen,,, wo hi baat,,, aadhi bat sun k matlb nikal lena,,, ANSOO ko insan ki zindagi ki zakaat kaha gya hy,,, means apny aamaal per rony ko,,, ager aesi baat thi to HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W.) ky bety HAZRAT IBRAHEEM (A.S.) ki death per AAP (S.A.W.W.) nae aesa koi kaam q nhi kiya???
Agar mein aap ko ahl sunnah ki books se yeh bhi sabit ker doon k kisi ki maiat per rona Rasool Allah saww ki sunnat hai to kiya aap uss ka bhi ussi terha inkar karein gi jis terha aap ne hazrat ayesha k matam ka inkar kiya ??
ISLAM insan ko apny ooper zulm ki ijazat nhi deta,,, oar aap sy kis ny kaha k jihaad krny waly apny ooper zulm he kr rhy hoty haen?? wo ALLAH k liye lrrty haen,,, oar jihaad k doraan shaheed hony walun ki misaal aesi hy k un ka aik paunis duniya mae oar dosra jannat mae hota hy,,, unhe koi takleef nhi puhanchti,,, wo to ISLAAM ye b kehta hy k apny waldaenn ki kisi baat sy inkaar na kro,,, lekin ager wo shirk k liye kahaen to na maano,,, ab aap kya kahaen gy k islam mae parents ki respect nhi q k un k khilaf bolny ko kaha gya hy,,?? her aadhi baat ka matlab kbhi b poora nhi hota,,,

oar yehe baat mae keh rhi hun k her jagah baat ka same matlab nhi hota... tab aap kehty haen k "aap k asool her jagah change hoty haen" ab maan gy khud he k her baat her jagah same meaning nhi deti,,
Aap se phir mujhay wohi shikayat hai k aap topic ko change kernay lag jati hain,kiya jihad mein insan k jism per zulm hota hai ya nahi hota ??
Aur dosri baat hum Imam Hussain a.s ko iss liye nahi rotay k woh shaheed huay balkeh unn per huay zulm per rotay hain aur zulm per ahtejaj kernay ki deen ijazat deta hai...
Aur aap ne abhi tak meray sawal ka jawab nahi diya k hazrat ayesha aur madina ki auraton ne matam kiya to kiya unhon ne haraam kaam kiya ??

(baqi answer baad mae deti hun,,, light i tou,,,)



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lo Yahan aap ne HAZRAT SARA RA ko b nahi choraaa jo herat se aesa karti hain halan kay Farishte tu in k liye khush khabri le k aaye thay or as u know wo kaafi aged thein jab Allah ne olad ki khushkhabri unko di jab insan koii unxepcted news sunta hai tu wo astonished hojata hai or jis tarah hum normal life main herat ka izhar kartay hain isi tarah Hazrat SARA AS ne b herat k izhar k toar pe aesa kia...ab herat or baqol aap k IHTAJAAJ donoon pe kiye jany waly action ko matam kehty haen aap? herat hy
Chalein aap mujhay yeh bata dein k kiya hairat mein matam kerna aap ki nazar mein jaiz hai ??
Yeh hukam kahan likha hua hai ??
Kitni ajeeb baat hai k aap Hazrat Sara ka matam kerna jaiz samajhti hain lakin Imam Hussain a.s per honay walay zulm per matam ko haraam kehti hain jab k aap k samnay hazrat ayesha ki misaal bhi mojood hai :P
Aur kahan likha hai k aap ahtejaj aisay ker saktay hain aur matam nahi ker saktay ??
Kiya kahin asool likhay huay hain to aap zaroor mujhay bataein.
lo again wohi baat,,, mujhy jis ny kaha na k ALLAH sy nhi kisi oar sy mangty haen,,, wo khud shia hy islye,,, oar jo kuch clear kr rhi hun uski smjh ap ko aa rhi hy jo ab aaye gi??? oar main cheez ye nhi hoti ... QURAN sy proof lao k aesa "na krny" ka hukm kahan hy,,, main chez hy k aesa krny ka kahan kaha gya hy?? kiyon k Quraan main Namaz' roza' zakaat' haj ka hukum tu mil gayaa lekin matam ka nahi mila.. jab aik cheez ka koii zikr siray se hai hi nahiii tu ya kahan se sabit hogyaa k jaaiz hai,,,??

oar haan mae ny zyada buks nhi prhi,,, lekin mujhy itna pata hy k aaj tak kisi sy SUNA b nhi mae ny ye jo aap keh rhy haen,, q k jo baat sedhi oar saaf hy us ko koi pagal he oar complicate kre ga,,, ab aap suni sunai bat pe ja rhy haen yahan,,, mae bach gai...

ISLAM ager kisi cheez ki ijazat deta hy to us ka treeq b batata hy,,, kahan likha k matam ihtajaaj ka treeqa hy?? hum ihtajaaj nhi krty,,, q k uswqt un k sathi bn k lrry thy,,, oar jo loug us wqt un ka sath to dena chahty thy lekin yazeed k der sy de nhi sky thy,,, un logoon ko HAZRAT ZENIB (R.A.) ny badua di thi k tum louug qayamat tak aesy he roty raho gy,,, aor ab wo apni shirmindagi ko chupanay k liye bahany banaty haen ,,,n that z it,,,
Yaqeen karein jaisay jaisay aap posts kerti ja rahi hain aap ki kam-ilmi berhti ja rahi hai,kiya aap Quran ka inkar kerti hain jo iss sunni sunai baat per yaqeen kerti hain ??
Quran kehta hai k koi shaks kisi dosray ka bojh nahi uthaye ga phir yeh kaisay ho sakta hai k aik bud-dua 1400 saal tak chalti rahay ??
Aap waisay to bohat Quran Quran kerti hain lakin jab shia k khilaf koi baat aap ko molvi suna de to aap uss waqt Quran ki taleem foran se bhool jati hain kiun k aap ki soch mein aap ka molvi ya sunni sunai baat Quran se ziada muatabar hoti hai tabhi to aap sunni kehlati hain :P
JAZAKALLAH khair....



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sho in se baat karna hi fazool hay.. pehlay kalma pe to baat ho jaye.. matam to boht baad ki baat hay... islam ka kalma kiya hy .. jo Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) ne bataya.. ab yeh mut kahiyay ga ke app (S.A.W) ne kaha ke Ali (R.A) meray khalifa hongay baad me is liyay add kardiya..
Agar aap ko lagta hai k hum se behas kerna fazool hai to kiya aap ko kisi ne invitation letter bheja tha k aao aur baat karo ??
Aur aap pehlay apnay 6 kalma to sabit karein phir shia se unn k kalma ka pochiye ga :P
Aur agar Rasool Allah saww ne fermaya to ussay kalma mein kiun nahi add kiya ja sakta ??
Kiya aap k nazdeek Rasool Allah saww k hukam ki koi ahmiat nahi hai ??



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Pehli baar hi suna hai k sunnis ki book main hai kalimah? ager hai to phir sab sunniz is ko accept q ni krtay?
Agar aap ne apni books nahi perhein to yeh aap ki kam-ilmi hai na k hamara qasoor...
Aur sunni to bohat se sunnaton aur baaton ko iss liye choar chukay hain kiun k unn k nazdeek yeh sunnatein aur baatein shion ne apna li hain :P
Agar aap ko yaqeen na aaye to aap qabar bunanay ka tareeka,amama,seedhay hath mein angothi pehanana aur Ahle Bait a.s k naamon k sath a.s k bajaye r.a likhna hai...yeh sab cheezein woh hain jo aap loagon ne sirf bughz e shia mein choar dein.
Forget these, the differences Shia's have all are in correct. Opening fast after the sunset. Marriage is only a contract. You can bring a second wife without asking from your first wife or even if you keep your second wife hidden, it still does not considered a sin.Rejecting all other sahabis and so on.
Jahan tak roza kholnay ki baat hai to woh aap quran se dekh saktay hain k kis ka amal sahi hai,waisay to aap sabar ki bohat talqeen kertay hain lakin roza kholtay waqt aap itnay be-sabaray ho jatay hain k 1 mint bhi nahi ruk saktay :P
Jahan tak baat hai muttah ki to yeh Quran ki surah Nisa verse 24 se jaiz hai aur aap ki hadith books se bhi sabit hai k muttah Rasool Allah saww k zamana mein bhi jaiz tha aur hazrat bau bakar k zamana mein bhi lakin hazrat umar ne apnay doar mein issay haram qarar de diya...ab aap bataein k hazrat umar ne kis authority k tehat Quran k hukam ko haram qarar diya ??
I have done Religious studies and dun tell me we do this and we do that.
Yeh to bohat achi baat hai k aap k sath kafi ilmi discussion ho gi :P
Umeer kerta hoon k aap sho_sweet ki terha sunni sunai baaton per yaqeen kernay walay nahi hon ge.



I never heard Shia' kalimah is written in any Ahl-e-Sunnah's book until Mr Omar Khan claimed in his above post.



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Umeer kerta hoon k aap sho_sweet ki terha sunni sunai baaton per yaqeen kernay walay nahi hon ge.

Posted Imagechalo mae to jo b ayat btati hun usy suni sunai baat keh k tashreeh ghlt ker k taal det haen aap,,, GUL sath mae tashreeh b batana aap... may b kuch afaqa ho...

mae ny pehly b kaha herat mae achanak kiye jany waly amal ko matam nhi kehty,,, but aap ki smjh mae her baat ka ulta matlab pata nhi q nikalta hy,,,aap loug ye to manty haen k HAZRAT AYESHA RA jannat mae jaen gi lekin ye nhi manty k wo naik oar masoom the,, bar bar suni sunai bat ka name le rhy haen aap ,,, mae bataoon ap ny koun c suni sunai baat ki?? k hum yazeed ko khalifa manty haen,,, oar hmaen pata b nhi,,, waw,,, oar aap ny kaha molvi ki baat hmary liye QURAN sy zyada muatbber ho jati hy,,,, lgta hy aap ka kafi experience hy is mae,,, q k hmaen to pata hy k kisi b BUK KA HAWALA de diya jaye ya kisi molvi ka,,, lekin QURAN k samny wo kuch b nhi hy,,, aap ko b smjh a jaye gi si bat ki ager kbhi QURAN ki poori poori ayat prhi tou,,, q k half sy kaam nhi chlny wala,,,oar kya aap ny kisi kitab mae prha hy k hum ahl e sunnat molvi ki baat ko quran sy zyada manty hae?? kitab kitab kehty rehty haen aap ab bataen ye suni sunai baat nhi khy kya?? ya waqai kisi ny kitaab mae likh dia hy ye?? Posted Image

aor ap ye to bataaen abhi tak aap ny aik b QURAN ki ayat bayaan ki?? buks k hawaly de rhy haen,,, oar jis baat ko bar bar aap suni sunai bat keh rhy haen q k sath buks k hawaly nhi haen to wo QURAN sy related baaten haen,,, kabhi fursat mily to QURAN ka urdu tarjuma b prhye ga,,, lekin poora adha nhi,,,
oar haan phr wohi aadhi baat smjhi aap ny,,, QURAN KEHTA HY K koi kisi ka bojh nhi uthaye ga siwaye apny gunahun k,,,
jo kiya hy wo bhugtna prta hy generations after generations... oar koun kehta hy k baddua nhi lagti?? jo ALLAH k haqooq poory nhi kry usy ALLAH MUAF ker skta hy lekin insanun ki dafa jab tk wo insan khud muaf na kry ALLAH b muaf nhi krta,,, oar her bat ka lafzi matlab nikalny sy kuch nhi hota q k us sy sahi meaning khtm nhi ho jata,,,


chalaen aaj suni sunai chor k QURAN oar HADITH ki baat krty haen,,mae ny ayat btai usy to manty haen na aap to aap ny kaha k hum un ki hshadat ka matam nhi krty ihtajaaj krty haen,,, HADITH b suni pri ho gi k

"ager kuch ghalat hoty dekha to hath sy unhaen mana kro (yani un k khilaf lrro) ager ye nhi ker skty to zuban sy unhaen roko,,,ager ye b nhi ker skty to dill mae usy bura jano,,,oar ye emaan ka kamzor tareen darja hy"

ab bataaen dill mae burai ko bura janna emaan ka kamzor treen drja hy to us sy peechy to emaan ka koi drja he nhi,,, oar jab kisi ka kuch nhi bigara ja skta ho tab insan khud ko marta hy,,, to ye emaan ka koun sa drja hy phr?? is ka to kaheen wajood he nhi,,,phr ap kis level ihtajaaj krty haen ?? dill mae bura janny k bad khud ko marna ye to emaan ka koi level he nhi hy...(iska answer de daen ab)


well,,, mae jis maqsad k liye behc ker rhi thi uska koi faida nhi hua,,, so befaida behc krna fazool hy,,, koi nai chez nhi mili mujhy... mjhy shia's k aqaaid oar soch k bary mae jan'na tha,,, lekin ap ka koi answer b satisfactory nhi laga,,, lekin haan aap ki soch kafi hadd tak smjh aa gai hy,,, for example,,, aap lo khud ye pata nhi chalta k aap kya keh rhy haen,,, aap ny kaha suni sunai baat sunty haen hum islye sunni haen,,, sunnat ka matlab to pata ho ga na? chalaen bata deti hun,,,, HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W.) ka tarz e zindagi,,, oar aap is ka mazaq urra rhy haen,,, ab is pe kya kaha jaye,,, so carry on,,,

ALLAH HAFIZ

Edited by sho_shweet, 25 May 2012 - 09:02 PM.

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kiya baat ki hay app ne.. ji bilkul 6 kalmay ka app ko batyunga .. lakin sab pehlay first kalima to clear karlain..pehlay hum dono is pe to itfak karlain to phir baki ke ikhtilfat pe bhi baat kar lenagy...

app ne kaha ke Rasool Allah (S.A.W) ne famraya hay to isay kalmay me kion nahin add kiya ja sakta... to kiya Rasool Allah (S.A.W) ne sirif aik yehi baat farmayi hay .. App (S.A.W) ne to aur boht kuch farmaya hay woh bhi kalmay me add kar letayhain....

app ko kis ne kaha ke Rasool Allah (S.A.W) ki baat ki koi ahmeiut nahin hay... menay to is baat se inkar hi nahin kiya me to is baa ko manta hoon ke Rasool Allah (S.A.W) ne aesa kaha tha ke Hazrat Ali (R.A) meray baad khalifa hongay... lakin is baat ko Rasool Allah (S.A.W) ne kalmay me add karnay ka kab kaha yeh bata saktain hain app... app ne apni taraf se add kiya na... yani app ne kalmay me hi apni marzi kar dali to peechay kiya reh jata hay... jab ab app Rasool Allah (S.A.W) ki baat me apni marzi kar sakte ho ... kalmay me kar sakty ho to app kisi bhi cheez me apni marzi dal saktay ho... aur islam yeh nahin hay ke app ka jahan dil karay wahan apni marzi se us baat ka mtalb nikalo aur man lo..

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Agar aap ne apni books nahi perhein to yeh aap ki kam-ilmi hai na k hamara qasoor...
Aur sunni to bohat se sunnaton aur baaton ko iss liye choar chukay hain kiun k unn k nazdeek yeh sunnatein aur baatein shion ne apna li hain :P
so jo baqi sunnis is ko accept nahi krtay woh sab jahil hain aur shias ahl-e-ilm hain?

Agar aap ko yaqeen na aaye to aap qabar bunanay ka tareeka,amama,seedhay hath mein angothi pehanana aur Ahle Bait a.s k naamon k sath a.s k bajaye r.a likhna hai...yeh sab cheezein woh hain jo aap loagon ne sirf bughz e shia mein choar dein.
wysay to ajeeb si hi baat hai her shia syed hota hai ... aap ko pata hi ho ga , i dun wana expose the dirty truth.

Jahan tak roza kholnay ki baat hai to woh aap quran se dekh saktay hain k kis ka amal sahi hai,waisay to aap sabar ki bohat talqeen kertay hain lakin roza kholtay waqt aap itnay be-sabaray ho jatay hain k 1 mint bhi nahi ruk saktay :P

To roza jaldi kholna quran aur sunnah ko follow krna nahi matlab k loog bay sabray hain is lia jaldi kholtay hain?
Jahan tak baat hai muttah ki to yeh Quran ki surah Nisa verse 24 se jaiz hai aur aap ki hadith books se bhi sabit hai k muttah Rasool Allah saww k zamana mein bhi jaiz tha aur hazrat bau bakar k zamana mein bhi lakin hazrat umar ne apnay doar mein issay haram qarar de diya...ab aap bataein k hazrat umar ne kis authority k tehat Quran k hukam ko haram qarar diya ??
Yeh to bohat achi baat hai k aap k sath kafi ilmi discussion ho gi :P
Umeer kerta hoon k aap sho_sweet ki terha sunni sunai baaton per yaqeen kernay walay nahi ho

And whats the point of being funny and posting :p :p :p ? you are telling me that your religion Shiaisim is a joke?Yes!
Myri to baat hi choro , I am not too old who read all books.
Umeed na krain to acha hi ho ga cz Sunni , sunni hi hotay hain chahay woh sho_sweet ho ya phir Gul_E_HayaT

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this post should not have been here on this forum. there are many counterarguements to what has been said, but i would refrain from any such thing. no one has the right to impose their opinions or thoughts on others and while being so voiceferous one must respect the feelings of others.
i would urge the admin to please delete this post from here for it reflects an extreme case of tunnel vision and orthodoxy .

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^ Excused , pointing towards the above post , I mean MINE? If you really meant towards my post th here is the answer..
Ignorance is bliss unless someone really wants to live in that.We have right to express our views and learn other's perception and when it comes to religion , yes we are supposed to research and find out as much as we can. I am sure you know the meaning of debate,one should never take it to heart and no one is being rude or hurt anyone.

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so jo baqi sunnis is ko accept nahi krtay woh sab jahil hain aur shias ahl-e-ilm hain?
Dekhein jo baatein mein ne kahi hain yeh woh hain jo aap k ulma ne tasleem kiya hai k yeh sunnat e Rasool saww aur deen k mutabiq hain lakin kiun k shia aisa kertay hain iss liye jaiz nahi hain agar aap ko yaqeen na aaye to mein aap ko aap ki books k scan pages dikha sakta hoon...Ab mein unn ko kiya kahon jo bughz e shia mein jaiz kaam ko haraam qarar de dein ??

wysay to ajeeb si hi baat hai her shia syed hota hai ... aap ko pata hi ho ga , i dun wana expose the dirty truth.

Aap to keh rahay thay aap Islam k baray mein ilm rakhtay hain aur ab bachay bun ker beth gaye hain :P
Aur yeh aap ne ab kis mulla se suni yeh baat ??
Aap ko ilm hai k shia honay k liye syed hona zaroori nahi hai aur na hi aisa hota hai,mein shia hoon lakin mein syed nahi hoon,aap ka jhoot to yahen pakra gaya :P
Waisay bhi pakistan mein hi shayed 15-20% shia hi aisay hon ge jo syed hain baaki non-syed hi hain...
Next time suni sunai baat yahan mat kijiye ga...aur aap jo dirty truth expose kerna chahtay hain,bohat shoq se karein mein aap k dirty truth ka intezar karon ga :P

To roza jaldi kholna quran aur sunnah ko follow krna nahi matlab k loog bay sabray hain is lia jaldi kholtay hain?
Janab aap khud hi ramzan mein dekh lijiye ga specially road per k kis terha road per bhi gaari roak ker bhaag rahay hotay hain be-sabaron ki terha roza tornay k liye...

And whats the point of being funny and posting :p :p :p ? you are telling me that your religion Shiaisim is a joke?Yes!
Myri to baat hi choro , I am not too old who read all books.
Umeed na krain to acha hi ho ga cz Sunni , sunni hi hotay hain chahay woh sho_sweet ho ya phir Gul_E_HayaT
Agar aap loagon k paas itna ilm nahi tha to yeh post start ker k shirarat kernay ki kiya zaroorat thi ?? Jab aap loag apnay aqeeda ko defend nahi ker saktay to dosray k aqeeda ko target kernay ki koshish bhi mat kiya karein kiun k jawab mein aap ka aqeeda be-nuqaab ho sakta hai...



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Dekhein jo baatein mein ne kahi hain yeh woh hain jo aap k ulma ne tasleem kiya hai k yeh sunnat e Rasool saww aur deen k mutabiq hain lakin kiun k shia aisa kertay hain iss liye jaiz nahi hain agar aap ko yaqeen na aaye to mein aap ko aap ki books k scan pages dikha sakta hoon...Ab mein unn ko kiya kahon jo bughz e shia mein jaiz kaam ko haraam qarar de dein ??
I still dun accept your kalimah is right if it was then majority should have accepted ,there is only one kalimah to belv in Allah and his beloved prophet ,full stop.

Aap to keh rahay thay aap Islam k baray mein ilm rakhtay hain aur ab bachay bun ker beth gaye hain :P
Aur yeh aap ne ab kis mulla se suni yeh baat ??
Aap ko ilm hai k shia honay k liye syed hona zaroori nahi hai aur na hi aisa hota hai,mein shia hoon lakin mein syed nahi hoon,aap ka jhoot to yahen pakra gaya :PWaisay bhi pakistan mein hi shayed 15-20% shia hi aisay hon ge jo syed hain baaki non-syed hi hain...
Next time suni sunai baat yahan mat kijiye ga...aur aap jo dirty truth expose kerna chahtay hain,bohat shoq se karein mein aap k dirty truth ka intezar karon ga :P

well mostly shias are even not syed , woh syed na bhi ho tab bhi apnay naam kay sath syed zaror laga laytay hain. And just not being syed and being shais doesnt prove me wrong.
Janab aap khud hi ramzan mein dekh lijiye ga specially road per k kis terha road per bhi gaari roak ker bhaag rahay hotay hain be-sabaron ki terha roza tornay k liye...

Agar aap loagon k paas itna ilm nahi tha to yeh post start ker k shirarat kernay ki kiya zaroorat thi ?? Jab aap loag apnay aqeeda ko defend nahi ker saktay to dosray k aqeeda ko target kernay ki koshish bhi mat kiya karein kiun k jawab mein aap ka aqeeda be-nuqaab ho sakta hai...Ye

ye ab aap ko shrarat nazer aai ? even though you have used it again now you know who was trying to do the shrarat?
so u saying you shias are correct and sunni aqeedah is incorrect?

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^Omer Khan, Any of your up comping proves are going to be invalid because

Our kalima is LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH MUHAMMADUN RASOOLULLAH

We will never change this kalima, either add or delete from it!

How can you call someone a Muslim who insults Hazrat Abu baker,Hazarat Umar, Hazrat Usman (May Allah be pleased with them all).
I still consider shias out of the circle, their rulings are very much changed , end of this debate from my side now you keep on banging your head cz there is no point debating with you as you are trying to bring all false beliefs again.

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I still dun accept your kalimah is right if it was then majority should have accepted ,there is only one kalimah to belv in Allah and his beloved prophet ,full stop.

Aap k accept kernay ya na ekrnay se kiya hota hai ?? Aap ko deen ka ilm hi kitna hai ??
Aap to sunni musalman sirf iss liye hain k aap musalman ghar mein paida huay...aur kahan likha hai k majority hi haq per hoti hai ??
Aap Quran perh ker dekh lo Allah ne to majority ko ghalat kaha hai :P
christians musalmanon se bhi ziada hain to kiya woh sahi huay kiun k woh majority mein hain ??

well mostly shias are even not syed , woh syed na bhi ho tab bhi apnay naam kay sath syed zaror laga laytay hain. And just not being syed and being shais doesnt prove me wrong.


Aap sabit karo apna yeh ilzam,mein ne aap ko ghalat sabit kiya hai,aap ne kaha k jo bhi shia hota hai woh syed zaroor hota hai mein ne bata diya k mein shia hoon lakin syed nahi hoon...
aap sirf sunni sunai baaton per yaqeen kernay walay loag hain tabhi to sunni kehlwatay hain.

ye ab aap ko shrarat nazer aai ? even though you have used it again now you know who was trying to do the shrarat?
so u saying you shias are correct and sunni aqeedah is incorrect?
Mujhay jab admins allow kertay tab hi mein iss topic per baat ker sakta tha...
Jis ne topic start kiya woh to aisa bhaga k ab nazar hi nahi aa raha...
Aur mein ne itni posts kein kiya aap ko samajh nahi aaya k mein shia aqeeda ko sahi aur sunni aqeeda ko ghalat sabit ker raha hoon ??



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^Omer Khan, Any of your up comping proves are going to be invalid because

Our kalima is LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH MUHAMMADUN RASOOLULLAH
Aap ka kuch bhi kalma ho mujhay iss se kuch lena dena nahi balkeh aap k to 6 kalma hain aur mein ne aap loagon ko kaha k aap 6 kalma sabit karein lakin itnay din guzar janay k bawajood bhi kisi ne himmat nahi ki...
We will never change this kalima, either add or delete from it!
Aap ki hasiat hi kiya hai ?? aap ko to apni fiqh ka hi ilm nahi aur aap mujh se baat ker rahay hain,aap 6 kalma sabit karein agar aap sahi hain.
How can you call someone a Muslim who insults Hazrat Abu baker,Hazarat Umar, Hazrat Usman (May Allah be pleased with them all).
I still consider shias out of the circle, their rulings are very much changed , end of this debate from my side now you keep on banging your head cz there is no point debating with you as you are trying to bring all false beliefs again.
Hum kiya insult kertay hain,aap batana pasand karein ge ??
Aur mujhay yaqeen tha k aap bhi yahan se ab bhagein ge kiun k aap loag tahqeeq nahi kertay,aap k zehanon mein bachpan se hi daal diya gaya hai k aap ka hi firqah sahi hai aap ko research kernay ki zaroorat hi nahi hai :P






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