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Posted 27 January 2008 - 05:11 PM (#281) User is offline   jehan shah 

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Fatwa of three hundred Ulama against Deobandis:

The Deobandis, because of their contempt and insult, in their acts of worship, towards all saints, prophets, and even the Holy Prophet Muhammad and the very Person of God Himself, are definitely murtadd and kafir.
Their apostasy and heresy is of the worst kind, so that anyone who doubts their apostasy and heresy even slightly is himself a murtadd and kafir. Muslims should be very cautious of them, and stay away from them. Let alone praying behind them, one should not let them pray behind one, or allow them into mosques, or eat the animal slaughtered by them, or join them on happy or sad occasions, or let them come near one, or visit them in illness, or attend their funerals, or give them space in Muslim grave-yards. To sum up, one must stay away from them completely.

(See the Unanimous Fatwa of Three Hundred Ulama, published by Muhammad Ibrahim of Bhagalpur)

Deobandis should be declared non-Muslim minority:

In March 1953, a poster was put up on walls in Karachi titled: ``Demands: Deoband sect should be declared a separate minority''.
Among other things it said:
``Just as Sikhs originated from Hinduism, but are not Hindus, and Protestants came from Roman Catholicism, but are not Catholics, similarly, the Deobandi sect originated in the Sunni community, but are not Sunnis. The representatives of this minority sect are Mufti Muhammad Shafi, Sayyid Sulaiman Nadawi, Ihtasham-ul-Haqq, and Abul Ala Maudoodi, etc.''

After this it was demanded that this sect be declared a non-Muslim minority. It was signed by 28 persons
(see Tulu`-i-Islam, May 1953, p. 64).

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 05:22 PM (#282) User is offline   jehan shah 

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The Salafi Cult.
better known as the Khawarij
Hadith:
Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) reported the Prophet (Peace be upon him) as saying: "Oh Allah, bless us in our Syria; O Allah, bless us in our Yemen." Those present said: "And in our Najd, O Messenger of Allah!" But he said, "O Allah, bless us in our Syria; O Allah, bless us in our Yemen." Those present said, "And in our Najd, O Messenger of Allah!" Ibn Umar said that he thought that he said on the third occasion: "Earthquakes and fitnah are there, and there shall arise the horn of ash-Shaytaan." [Sahih al-Bukhari].


When Abu Umama saw the heads of the rebels hoisted on poles in Damascus he wept and said: "The dogs of the people of the Fire." Then he was asked: "Is this from you or from the Messenger of Allah"? He said: "From the Messenger of Allah, and I have heard him say it not once (but more), nor twice (but more), nor three times (but more)" until he reached seven times. Then he was asked about his weeping and he said: "Out of compassion for them. They used to be Muslim and they became kafir." Narrated by Tirmidhi (hasan), Ibn Majah, and Ahmad through several chains. [Sahih At-Tirmithi, Ibn Majah, Ahmad bin Hanbal]



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The intention of this page is to expose a tool of the Dajjal which goes by the name of "The Salafi" or "Salafiyya sect" by the presentation of material which will expose them for the devils they are. They are not new to Al-Islam, as they are the Khawarij (Kharijites) under a new name (Wahhabi, Salafi).
These deviants get their so-called "ijtiahds" from deviants such as Al-Albani, Bin Baz, al-Jaza'iri, Mashhur Salman, Abu Aminah Bilal Philips, Mr. Uthaymeen, all of these Khawarij trace back to the payroll of the Saudi clan in Arabia. The chain of their so-called knowledge, and their false love of religion traces back to a dajjal who went by the name of Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahhab, who was a man sponsered, educated, paid, and helped by the British to eradicate the Uthmani (a.k.a. Ottoman) empire, as well as the rest of the Muslim 'Ummah from within. While claiming to be adherents to "authentic" Sunnah, these deviants are quick to label anyone who opposes their beliefs or follows a mathhab as "sufi," while exploiting the Muslims' love for Islam by overexaggerating the phrase "Qur'an and Sunnah" in their senseless rhetoric.
NOTE: Their definition of "authentic Sunnah" is that which suits their lifestyle as outlined by their "scholars," such as Ibn Taymiya, al-Albani, Bin Baz, and Uthaymeen.
Their prey:
Those Muslims who are undereducated in regards of their Deen
Those who have just become a Muslim.
Those who are young and wish to compromise their Deen for the sake of Western philosophy and "The American Way."
Those who seek a reason (actually, an excuse) for rebelling against their parents and community.
Shaytaan (the devil) is also known as "ash-Shaykh an-Najdi", a title given to him by Rasulullah (Allah's peace and blessings upon him). Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab is also deemed with the EXACT SAME title, "ash-Shaykh an-Najdi," by the Ahl as-Sunnah 'Ummah. Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab was raised in the wastelands of Najd in central Arabia, and had very little access to mainstream Muslim scholarship. His Islamic "knowledge", as well as "aqeeda," was derived from the Mu'tazila and Khawarij sect, while he claimed to be a Hanbali in Fiqh, but his thinking, ideology, and belief was such that only he alone was Muslim, and everyone else was a mushrik (polytheist). In his writings, he specifically titled ALL of the Ahlus-Sunnah as being polytheists (mushrik). Under this guise, he said (and all Wahhabi's/Najdi's/Salafi's still BELIEVE) that the killing of the Ahlus-Sunnah was permissible.
May Allah give him what he deserves!
From these articles about the "Salafi" (a.k.a. Wahhabi, Najdi) sect, the reader will become educated to the trickery used to lure unaware Muslims (and non-Muslims) to their false creed. May Allah protect us from the deception and trickery used by the Wahhabis, Salafis, and other forms of heresy created by the British (and other forms of the devil) used to destroy the Ahl as-Sunnah wal Jamaa'at from within. Aameen!
NOTE: An easy way to detect Wahhabi/"Salafi" literature is to look in the books/pamphlets and search for where the information is printed. Such literature will have King Fahd's name stamped on it or come from "Saudi" Arabia (or any other Gulf nations supporting the Saud regime).
Keep in mind...

Nothing good has ever came from Najd!



These Shayateen first called themselves Wahhabiyya, but after numerous fatawa were passed about them, they soon changed their name to: Salafiyya


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Posted 03 March 2008 - 03:37 AM (#283) User is offline   Gambler1 

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abb kuch orignale scane pages deakh layin mukhtalif mataba-e-fiker k ulema hazraat k against Kufer shiyat..


Sab say pehlay Auliya Kiram(rh) Or Wali Ullah Hazrat k

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yeh wo fatwajaat hain jo puri dunya ka baray say bara scholer bhi radh nahi karsakta baqi inshahAllah bad main share karwaonga bralwi/deobandi sab mutafiq hain k shiaaz r kafir lanti

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Posted 12 March 2008 - 07:48 PM (#296) User is offline   mansoor 

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Gambler ..... MASHALLAH ... Bhut khoob kam kia ... Its all clear now Keep it Up !
Keep On ur smiles :D
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Posted 12 March 2008 - 11:56 PM (#297) User is offline   ya ali madad 05 

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salamz to allllll!!!
oh no man u's jus killed it!!!! raasss dont even kno anything bout shias so y the hell r u arguing........the only difference btwn shias and sunnis are that shia follow hazrat muhammad s.a.w.w and his family which are hazrat fatimah----imam ali-----imam hassan and so on....till imam mahdi a.s. whereas the sunnis they follow hazrat muhammad s.a.w.w and his frnds, wel not really bcz hazrat usman e.t.c they were hypocrite (means they showed that they were muslims but not really)....... wel da proof is hazrat omar he actually set the fire on the door of hazrat fatimah s.a.(daughter of hazrat muhammad s.a.w.w)...and the door felll on her......so how can u ppl say oh we r rite.... sum ppl r dum... dont kno anyfin and dont wana kno anyfin bcz they kno they r wrong........i kno so many sunni ppl who cum to our mosque and on 10 muharram they do manat and every year their manat(dua) kabools.....and even if they r sunnis they believe tht shias r rite......
plus i kno so many sunnis who converted to shias and they dont wana turn back to sunni.....hahahahahah now sunni's got bullied rite into their faces......
dont worry ppl if u r disagreeing on me, before the day of judgement our imam mahdi a.s. and hazrat isa a.s. gona cum and they wil chop ppls head off who r killing shias in iran and iraq or the ppl who dont believe in imam ali a.s. so this is about in which way u use ur mind ppl positive or negative.....
if anyones got problem reply and discuss wit me and i'll sort them out........ :biggrin: :innocent:

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 05:36 PM (#298) User is offline   mansoor 

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Ali madad !!!


So you think All the ulmaas mentioned abobe are wrong and U r right !!

And Stop idiotic thing for hazrat USMA (RA) , Dont you know he is Zun noorain , and Allah nay unn ka zikar bai te Rizwan main kia hai , Aur hazrat Umar kay fazaiill say hadees ki books bharee hoyee hain ... dats why Shia are truely decalred Kaffir by all the leading Muslim Scholars in the world

Aik aur mazaye ki bat Shai APP (SAW) kay rooza Mubarak par hazree bhee nahi daitye as Hazrat Umar and Hazrat Abubakar (RA) are their with Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

aLLAH TALLAH nAY 3 FRIENDS ( App (SAW) , Khalee fa Awwal Hazrat Abubakar Saddique (RA) aur Khalifa Doom Hazrat Umar (RA) koo Zindagi main bhee iktha rakha hai after life main bhee Iktha rakha !!!
Agar nawooz Billah hazrat Umar yaa Hazar Abubakar main koee Fault hoota too Kia Allah TaLlah Joo dillon kay Bhaid aur Mustaqbil sab kuch jantye hain woo Apnyee Habib koo Koee ghalat Sathi daityee .. aur ghalat Logoon koo qiamat tak unn ka companion banatye ??????


Come On ! save ur self and open ur eyes !! be logical

Ahla e Sunnat Hazrat Ali ahle bait aur Shaba main faraq nahi kartye balkyee sab ka apna apna daraga hai ... fazaillee Ahle bait bhut ziada hai ... Par ahle bait koo Hazrat Fatima (RA) Imama Husnain (RA) aur hazrat Ali par kahatam karna munasib nahi ......

Ahle bait ka matlab hai Ghar kay Logg .. family !! agar ajj bhee kisi say pooch lain kay uss ki family kon si hai too kia woo apni shareke hayat (wife) ka zikar nahi karye ga ?????? balkayee app (SAW) Ki azwa je Mutaheratt joo Muslamno Ki Mothers hain .. woh bhi ahle bait main shamil hain aur sab ka ahtaram karna chayee

Iqbal ka Shair hai !!

Bulbul koo phool bass
Saddique koo Alllah Ka rasool Bass !
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Posted 14 March 2008 - 01:42 AM (#299) User is offline   ya ali madad 05 

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mansoor!!!!


i dont kno wat u mean bcz i dont understand urdu tht much....wel da english bit tht u wrote jus killed......did i say I AM RIGHT!!!! and the other fing did i say UR CALIPHS R WRONG NO!!!!! wel i jus told u the truth n i have got respect for them as wel.... u r gona blame me jus bcz i'm a shia.....OH NO....i dont kno which hadees have u's got tht says all tht stuff i have never heard tht before in my whole lyf......."Aur hazrat Umar kay fazaiill say hadees ki books bharee hoyee hain ... dats why Shia are truely decalred Kaffir by all the leading Muslim Scholars in the world" thts wat u said init this is sooooooo rong rrraaassss ppll get a lyf man how can u say tht ur books are full of hazrat umar!!!! i have got a proof for tht even ur sunni molvi says tht shias r rite tht hazrat omar set a fire on bibi fatimah's door......u can see it on youtube......rite in youtube maulana ishaq and listen it wit ur ears OPENED.......
i am not sayin sunnis are rong it is up 2 to u's wat u wana do... obviously we cant stop u bcz u have to do wateva u want and dont wana listen to others......
"Ahle bait ka matlab hai Ghar kay Logg .. family" u said tht and u r rite n now u tel me will u prefer ur family of frnds..... will u follow wat ur frnds r gona say or will u follow ur mom and dad(UR FAMILY).......?????? fink bout tht
thts wat we do we follow hazrat muhammad then ahle bait......not frnds......
wel Allah might have send them to tell ppl tht look how quickly ppl change..... nd JANG-E-SAFEEN is all bout it hazrat ayesha wanted to be against imam ali a.s. whaereas he said tht i dont want this fite but she didnt stop!!!! if u use ur BRAIN tht GOD gifted u it will be better for u and dont worry ur brain's not gonna finish......and for ur kind information ahle bait CAN ONLY BE PROPHET'S FAMILY NOT ANY OTHER STOP BRINGING OTHERS IN THT U DONT EVEN KNO.......I BET U DONT KNO ANYFIN BOUT UR CALIPHS THAT WHEN WERE THEY BORN WHICH GOOD THINGS THEY DID AND AFTER THE DEATH OF PROPHET DID THEY FOLLOW IMAM ALI A.S BCZ IF U REMEMBA THT HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAID THERE WILL BE A NEXT PERSON CALLED AHMED AND YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW HIM......AND I FINK U KNO THT IT WAZ IMAM ALI A.S. I KNO HE'S NOT PROPHET........BEFORE U SAY ANYFIN!!!! HE'S A LION OF GOD!!!!! SO RESPECT HIM ATLEAT PPL!!!....THERE'S A LOGIC BEHIND IT.....OUR SHIA SCHOLARS HAVE FOUND THINGS SOOO DEEPLY....THT I BET U'S WONT KNO ANYFIN AND U WILL FIND IT NEW!!
soooo i dunno who u r callin kaafir
AFTER SUCH A LONG POST I HOPE U GET SOME AKAL!!! I FINK U NEED 2 BORROW IT FROM SOMEONE....MAYBE ASK ALLAH
neiwayz in a bizzle i'm offf
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Posted 14 March 2008 - 01:47 AM (#300) User is offline   ya ali madad 05 

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