rukh 25 Posted November 26, 2012 (edited) what is commitment in yours eyes ? how much u feel care about yours commitment with others... ? do u think that when u ll feel comfortable then u will fullfill yours commitment? ,,,and you think that next party have not any authority to ask you about it ....and u dont care about their depression towards yours dominating behaviour ... is it commitment mean that every time weak party compromise with yours circumstances and do wait n wait that when u will be free or set to do it .? Edited November 26, 2012 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amaan 65 Posted November 26, 2012 Rukh g !! cant understand what exactly you wish to highlight in this post . could you plz eloberate . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mansoor 0 Posted November 27, 2012 Rukh you are right ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) Rukh g !! cant understand what exactly you wish to highlight in this post . could you plz eloberate . first two lines r very simple ,,i dont think so k us main na samjh anay wala kuch tha..khair here u go commitment yane kissi say kia gya koi waada ya muaahida ,,app ki nazar main kia ahmiyat rakhta hai or app khud ko apni commitment k ley kitna zimmay daar paatay ho? us kay baad mainy poocha hai k kia app jub kissi say kisi bhi terah k muamilay main koi commitment kertay hain to app us ko kia sooch ker kertay hain ? kia yeh k app second party k faiday ya nuqsan ko bilkul ik side per rakh ker sirf apni zaat ko agay rakhtay ho k theek hay mainy wada kia tha k falan kam keroon ga lakin jub mera dil chahay ga ya mere apnay jo masaail hain pehlay un ko dekhoon ga or jub mujhay feel ho ga k ab main set hoon to us commitment ko poora keroon ga or app kay is dair kernay say ya hakimaana raweye say dosre party jo is commitment ki wajah say app say bandh gayee hai us ka jazbati tor per ya maali tor per ya jis terah ka bhi muamila hay us ko nuqsan ho raha hay ..us ki app ko na perwah na hee app is ko pasand kertay ho k woh app say app ki commitment per sawal keray k jee app kub poore kerain gay ? or agar commitment main second party app say kamzor hai to bus woh sirf beth ker intizaar kerte rahay k app kub woh muaahida poora kertay hain yeh bohat saray sawalaat hain .... in ko discuss kerna hai k ....hum apne zindge main ke gaye commitments ko kis had tak or kis terah nibhaatay hain Edited November 27, 2012 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted November 27, 2012 Rukh you are right ! amaan ki terah shaid app ko bhi samjh nahi atya.. i m asking questions ..jis per app ka apna koi jawab ho ga ..mainy koi ayse bat nahi ki jis per agre ya disagree ki bat ho *banghead* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amaan 65 Posted November 27, 2012 tnx Rukh g. now i could get clearly what you wish to discuss. Nice post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mansoor 0 Posted November 27, 2012 Rukh you are right i didn't had your topic in mind while replying to it .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sobe 12 Posted November 27, 2012 intresitng.. well how each indivaidual fulfil their commitement is differnt and it varies frm person to person.. so there can never be one ans.. also i would like to add one more thing . their is commitment .. their is compromise and i beleive tht their are rights ... to agar is hisab se dekha jaye to rights ki value sab se ziayda hui.. i mean it simplifies in tht manner.. cuz jiska jo haq hay woh mangy bhi to us me koi ghalat nahi hy.. ab agay usko right ko manipulate karek commitement banayo ya compromise .. rights to right hoty hain they wont change.. agar commitement ko specfic scnerio me judge karna ho possible nahi hoga untill we knw the complete story from both side.. so basically in my opinion rights . or should i say haququl ibaad ki value sab se ziayda hy .. ab is ko each indivadual me nahi breakdown karoonga.. i beleive everyone knws wht they r .. so baciallyy wht m saying is on personal level.. i wouuld fulfil the rights rathern then commitement .. cuz their is no injustice in tht.. as long as we dnt alter the spefic rights to each individuals personal benefit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) intresitng.. well how each indivaidual fulfil their commitement is differnt and it varies frm person to person.. so there can never be one ans.. also i would like to add one more thing . their is commitment .. their is compromise and i beleive tht their are rights ... to agar is hisab se dekha jaye to rights ki value sab se ziayda hui.. i mean it simplifies in tht manner.. cuz jiska jo haq hay woh mangy bhi to us me koi ghalat nahi hy.. ab agay usko right ko manipulate karek commitement banayo ya compromise .. rights to right hoty hain they wont change.. agar commitement ko specfic scnerio me judge karna ho possible nahi hoga untill we knw the complete story from both side.. so basically in my opinion rights . or should i say haququl ibaad ki value sab se ziayda hy .. ab is ko each indivadual me nahi breakdown karoonga.. i beleive everyone knws wht they r .. so baciallyy wht m saying is on personal level.. i wouuld fulfil the rights rathern then commitement .. cuz their is no injustice in tht.. as long as we dnt alter the spefic rights to each individuals personal benefit commitment insan khud apne marze say kerta hay ...sooch ker samjh ker agar app ko lagta hay mere commitment say zyada rights imp hai or mujhay us k ley commitment ko peechay kerna ho ga to commitment kertay hee kion hain ? asal bat he yeh hay log yeh nahi soochtay commitment main ik dosra ferd involve hay //app ko huqooq ul ibaad ka itna khiyal hay to yeh bat sirf apnau say munsilik logoon kay huqooq tak kion ? second party woh animals main sahmil hai ? insan nahi hai ? i wouuld fulfil the rights rathern then commitement .. cuz their is no injustice in tht.. as long as we dnt alter the spefic rights to each individuals personal benefit lolzzz ..thats what i said dominating behvaiour ..... Edited November 28, 2012 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sobe 12 Posted November 28, 2012 app commitement ko aik specific scnerio se bataogi to me kesy judge kar sakta hoon ke woh kiya hy .. menay to boht broad andaz me reply kiya tha kisi aik scenrio ko nazar me rakh ke thori.. yani aik general baat karte huay reply kiya ... aur menay aesa kiya kehdiya jis se dominating behaviour nazar ata hy.. i mean agar aik banday nay rigths fulfil karnay hain to is me kiya ghlat hy.. the reason why i said is kionky commitement pay app koi solid haq nahi jata sakty apna.. for example aik banda verbally commit karta hy tht he is gonna buy the car from me.. to me us ko boundnahi kar sakta he must buy untill it become offical through paper work .. correct.. kionky ab app ne aik cheez offcialy kar di ab woh bound hay .. jesay menay yeh examply di is tarah maybe app koi specific scenerio se judge kar rahi ho to mujy to nahi maloom na ke app kis scenrio se baat kar rahi ho.. i dnt knw the cicumstances of it .. dosri baat app ne kaha ke haququl ibaad ki baat ki hay woh apnay munshok log tuk hi kion?? thts not true.. jiska jo haq banta hy woh haq hy.. bashartia woh jaiz haq ho to woh haq hy .. is me koi khasosi log nahi ...yeh sab logon ka jo haq hy woh hay.. is me koi compliacted baat nahi hy.. again app jo baat kar rahi ho.. i cnt judge between those two party cuz i dnt knw unkay darmyan kiya commitement hay aur kiya reasoning hain etc etc.. aur app ne kaha ke commitement me dosra fard bhi hota hy to obviosuly its between two parties .. ab yahan sawal yeh utha hay ke jo commitement hui hy kiay woh offcial commitement hy jiskay wajah se dono parties ke aik dosray pe haq ajata hain.. agar aesi baat hy to phir baat commitement nahi.. haqooq tuk chli jati hy aur yahan pe koi grey area nahi rehjata .. its simple either u r fulfiling the right or u r not .. u see verbal commitement se aam tor pe koi bound nahi hota.. so i dnt knw kis kisam ki commitemnt pe app baat kar rahi ho.. haan agar verbal commitent me dono parties kisi special circumstances ki wajah se bound hojatay hain.. then this becomes a bit more complex issue.. and tht specific scenerio have to be judge differntly.. but general sense of commitent is pretty straighforward.. koi app ko aik commitemnet ya compromise me control nahi kar sakta jab tuk app usay control do yani bound karo.. aur zahir hy jab app kisi ko control dety ho to kuch control apkay pass bhi hota hy aesa to nahi hota ke app totaly bound ho aur dosra banda bound hi nahi.. again m srry agar app ko mera view is topic pe offensive and one sided laga but i only said wht i have seen and understand to the best of my knowledge and fairness agar app koi specifc scenerio se present karti ho... then i can presnt my view exclusively on tht Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted November 28, 2012 app commitement ko aik specific scnerio se bataogi to me kesy judge kar sakta hoon ke woh kiya hy .. menay to boht broad andaz me reply kiya tha kisi aik scenrio ko nazar me rakh ke thori.. yani aik general baat karte huay reply kiya koi specific condition nahi ..just asking commitment ko kitna poora kertay hain or jis k sath commitment ki hay us kay nafa nuqsan ko kitna nazar main rakhtay hain ..her misal her condition per yehe do sawal bantay hain ...condition app nay khud lagaye hay k agar mere commitment ka muqabla rights say ho ga to rights ko poora keroon ga or app huqooq ul ibaad ko or commitment ko khud alag alag ker rahay hain .. halankay hadees main hay k waada kero to poora kero..haq to commitment kertay hee app per aa gya na ..ab yeh dominating behaviour hee to hay ...k app khud say rights or commitment ki alag alag class bana rahay hain aur menay aesa kiya kehdiya jis se dominating behaviour nazar ata hy.. i mean agar aik banday nay rigths fulfil karnay hain to is me kiya ghlat hy.. the reason why i said is kionky commitement pay app koi solid haq nahi jata sakty apnafor example aik banda verbally commit karta hy tht he is gonna buy the car from me.. to me us ko boundnahi kar sakta he must buy untill it become offical through paper work .. correct look what u said sirf commitment per koi haq nahi jata sakta.. yehe to mere point hay k app jantay ho k kuch commitments aysee hain jis per qanoone tor per app ko koi pakar nahi sakta to app us k muamlay main kitna zimm-e-dar ho... ... ager to 2nd party ko nuqsan keye baghir app is ko khatam kero to yeh ik mufaahimat kehlaye ge ok both parties na mil jul ker commitment khatam ki app ki example ka case bhi aysa h k is qisam ki deal main both parties pehlay say jante hain k koi bhi part jub chahay na khareeday ..or for ur kind info jub app kisi say car khrednay ki bat kertay to app ko TOKEN daina hota yeh us nuqsan ki advance talafe hay k app baad main mukar jaao to yahan app ki example fit he nahi atee..kion k is main both parties is bat per agree hain .. u see verbal commitement se aam tor pe koi bound nahi hota.. busssssssss dats wat i am asking... ...yeh apnay apnay zameer ki bat hay ..k hum apnay waadoon main apnay app ko khud kitna bound kertay hain or commitment commitment hay khuah verbal ho ya official.... yeh to app khud say alag alag class bana rahay ho.... app ik chotay bachay say bhi kaho na k meray pass aoo main tofee doon ga yeh bhi commitment hay ..or bacha pp ka pass aya or app nay nahi dee ..to shareat app ko jhoota kehte hay or app ko is ka jawab dayna ho ga... or woh chota bacha us ka app nay aytmaad tora hay ... sobe....app khaamkha ulj rahay hain..baat bohat asan or saada thee : ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sobe 12 Posted November 28, 2012 u right baat boht asan aur sada theee.. one should fulful their commitement.. its simple as tht .. aur jo nahi poora karta woh ghalta hy.. offcourse we r ignoring all the possible circumstances here tht could have lead to not fulfiling tht commitement .. kionky halat ko consider karke baat diff hojati hay par kisi bhi comitement me aik party ka dosri party pe complete control ho aesa boht kam hota hy.. ya to app America aur Afghanistan ki comitement ki baat karo aur aik party ka dominating role ho to samjh bhi ata hy.. aur yeh aik specific scenrio ban gaya in general word aam tor pe aesa nahi hota.. at the least jahan tuk menay dekha hay :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites