Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 12, 2012 Hamara Kalma wohi hai jo Quran ne bataya aur jo Rasool Allah saww ne bataya,aap aisa karein Apni book tarikh tabari uthaein aur dawat zul asheera ka topic perh lein jis mein Rasool Allah saww ne jo fermaya hum wohi kalma mein perhtay hain,nahi pata aap sunnah sunnah ka naara to lagatay hain magar jahan Mola ali a.s ki baat ho aap ko sunnah bhool jati hai :P Jahan tak baat hai tahreef e Quran ki to mein ne abhi sirf aik book se aap ko aap k tahreef ka aqeeda dikhaya hai,kiya aap batana pasand karein ge k aap ka tahreef k baray meink iya aqeeda hai ?? agar aap tahreef nahi mantay to phir hazrat umar,ibn umar aur hazrat ayesha k baray mein aap kiya kaho ge jo tahreef k qail thay ?? Jahan tak shia aqeeda ki baat hai to shia books mein aisi riwayaat mojood hain lakin aap ko hamara aqeeda dekhna chahiye k jo bhi hadith ya riwayat Quran k kisi hukam k khilaf ho hamaray haan uss ki koi hasiat nahi hai aur shia aqeeda hai k quran mukamal hai agar aap ko yaqeen nahi aata to aap abhi ja ker kisi book stall se shia publisher ka Quran khareedein aur sunni publisher k Quran se match kerein agar aap ko aik ayat ka bhi farq nazar aaye to aap hum per tahreef ka ilzam laganay ka haq rakhtay hain... Sahaba k baray mein koi bhi nahi kehta k woh masoom thay ya woh ghalti nahi ker saktay aur hadith o tarikh se sabit bhi hai k bohat se sahabi murtad bhi ho gaye thay,uss k liye aap ko kuch misaalein deta hoon,aap maalik bin nuwera k baray mein kiya kahein ge jo sahabi e Rasool saww bhi thay aur hazrat abu bakar ki hakumat mein unn ko qatal kiya gaya ?? abdul rehman bin udais balavi jo bait e shajra mein bhi shamil thay aur Rasool Allah saww k sahabi bhi thay aur ahadees k raavi bhi thay lakin hazrat usman k qatal kernay walay egyptians k sardar thay,aap uss sahabi k baray mein kiya kahein ge ?? Aur aap uss hauz e kausar wali hadith k baray mein kiya kahein ge jis mein kaha gaya hai k kuch sahabion ko meray samnay se dour ker diya jaye ga ?? Hamara emaan hai k sahabion mein 2 group thay aik momin aur dosray munafiq aur jahan tak baat hai hazrat ayesha ki to aap Surah tahreem perh lein jis mein Allah ne kaha hai k tumharay dil phir chukay hain,tumhain tobah kerni ho gi,Aur Allah ne aur Rasool allah saww ne hukam diya tha azwaaj ko k meray baad tum apnay gharon mein bethi rehna Aur yeh bhi bata diya tha k meri aik biwi per hawab k kuttay bhonkein ge lakin hazrat ayesha ne Allah aur Rasool Allah saww k hukam ki na-fermani ki,ab aap bataein k aap uss k baray mein kiya emaan rakhtay hain jo Allah aur Rasool Allah saww k hukam ki na-fermani karay ?? Khilafat k baray mein main kiya kahon ga ?? Iss k baray mein to quran mein sab kuch clear hai aur kisi bhi Quran k waqiya se yeh sabit nahi hai k khilafat kabhi loagon k ecletion/selection se kisi ko mili ho balkeh khalifah bunanay ka kaam sirf Allah k paas hai,ab aap bataein k aap Allah k qanoon k khilaf khalifah kaisay bana saktay hain ?? Jahan tak baat hai iss ID ki to mein ne kafi usernames se anay ki koshish ki magar mujhay post kernay ki ijazat nahi mili,jis per mujhay yeh ID bunani pari,ab mujhay nahi pata k admins ne sab IDs late accept kein ya kuch aur reason tha kher jo bhi hai mera maqsad yahan post kerna tha aur waisay bhi iss naam k sath kisi k Rights Reserved bhi nahi hain,insan ka apna kirdaar hota hai jis se pehchana jata hai,Ab suleman Nabi bhi thay aur Sahabi Rasool saww bhi thay lakin ussi naam se aik gustakh bhi hai. Ab hum atay hain Taqiyah per kiun k aap ne yahan tanz kiya hai mujh per,aap ko ilm hai k aap k imam bukhari ne Taqiyah ko jaiz qarar diya hai jab k unhon ne to shaih bukhari mein ayat ki tafseer mein yeh kaha hai k taqiyah karo aur yeh bhi likha hai k taqiyah qayamat tak jaiz hai,ab mujhay nahi samajh aati k jisay Quran ne jaiz qarar diya ho aur sahih bukhari ne qarar diya ho aap ussay kaisay ghalat keh saktay hain ?? kiya aap quran aur sahih bukhari ko nahi mantay ?? Jahan tak baat hai tabarrah ki to shayed aap ne apni zindagi mein kabhi apna 6th kalma nahi perha jis mein tabarrah ka zikr hai :P Aap kaisay sunni hain k apna kalma ka bhi inkar ker rahay hain ?? Barra diplomatic jawab diya hai : ) Main ne sawal ye poocha thaa k Kalma kia hai? murad kalma yahan per likh k batayein.....Aap logo ko tou Hazrat ALI (RA) ka naam bhi nahi lena chahiye.....Hazrat Ali (RA) ki azmat, un jaisay ILM per tou Barray Barray Jaleel o Qadar Sahaba bhi rash kertay thay, un ki Shujaat or Bahaduri k tou kia he kehnay........lekin Allah k wastay un k in saray kamalaat ko dekh ker Khuda Ra unhain Khuda sey tashbeeh na dein, jaisa k aap k aksar scholars josh-e-bayaan main aa ker keh jatay hain, bal k yahan tak keh jatay hain k Nabuwat tou dar asl Hazrat ALi (RA) ka haq tha, ghalti sey Muhammad (SAW) ko mil gayi,,,,,,,,aisa aqeedah rakhna tou Allah Rabbul Izzat per bohtaan bandhna hai, Naoozubillah, zahir hai nara lagatay hain tou is liye k hum Sunnah per yaqeen rakhtay hain or adna si koshish bhi hoti hai uss per amal bhi kiya jaaye, lekin shakhsiyat parasti ki tou islam main koi gunjaaish siray sey hai he nahi... humara aqeedah ye hai k Quran bilkul mukammal hai, bal k Allah Rabbul Izzat ne khud iss ki hifazat ka wada fermaya hai, na hum Quran main tehreef maantay hain or na jin mubarak hastion k naam aap ne ooper ziker kiye wo maantay hain (RA),, ye phir ek gustaakhi un ki shaan main k wo tehreef k qaail thay, kuch hosh k naakhun lain mohtaram.....kisi amal ko mansookh kernay ko tehreef sey milana theek nahi, aap ne her jumlay main ek alag baat ki hai, ek taraf aap ye saabit kerna chahiye k aap ka aqeedah-e-tehreef sahi hai kiun k hazrat Umar or baqi sahaba, jin ka naam aap ne zikar kia, bhi iss k qaail thay doosri janib aap keh rahay hain k Quran mukammal hai, ek baat ka faisla tou ker lein pehlay k tehreef hui ya nahi hui? bhayi ye hum ne kab kaha k Sahaba Karam (RA) masoom thay, hum tou ye keh rahay hain k Sahaba Karam (RA) masoom nahi bal k maghfoor zarur hain, jaisa k quran ki aayat hai "RAZI ALLAHO ANHUM WA RAZO ANH" yani main Un sey raazi ho gaya or wo Mujh sey. Aap is aayat k khilaaf 100 kahanian pesh ker lo hum usay nahi maanain gey. ............... TO BE CONTINUED Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 13, 2012 Barra diplomatic jawab diya hai : ) Main ne sawal ye poocha thaa k Kalma kia hai? murad kalma yahan per likh k batayein.....Aap logo ko tou Hazrat ALI (RA) ka naam bhi nahi lena chahiye.....Hazrat Ali (RA) ki azmat, un jaisay ILM per tou Barray Barray Jaleel o Qadar Sahaba bhi rash kertay thay, un ki Shujaat or Bahaduri k tou kia he kehnay........ Kalma aap jantay hain kher mein yahan aap ki asani k liye likh deta hoon La Ilaha Il Lilah Muhammed ur Rasool Allah Ali Yun Wali Allah Wasi o Rasool Allah Wa Khalifa Tahu Bila Fasl...jahan tak baat hai ilm o bahaduri ki to koi bhi sahabi unn k 1% tak bhi nahi pohnch sakta. lekin Allah k wastay un k in saray kamalaat ko dekh ker Khuda Ra unhain Khuda sey tashbeeh na dein, jaisa k aap k aksar scholars josh-e-bayaan main aa ker keh jatay hain, bal k yahan tak keh jatay hain k Nabuwat tou dar asl Hazrat ALi (RA) ka haq tha, ghalti sey Muhammad (SAW) ko mil gayi,,,,,,,,aisa aqeedah rakhna tou Allah Rabbul Izzat per bohtaan bandhna hai, Naoozubillah, zahir hai nara lagatay hain tou is liye k hum Sunnah per yaqeen rakhtay hain or adna si koshish bhi hoti hai uss per amal bhi kiya jaaye, lekin shakhsiyat parasti ki tou islam main koi gunjaaish siray sey hai he nahi... Aap ne bohat bara ilzam laga diya k hum ya hamaray ulma yeh kehtay hain ya aqeeda rakhtay hain k Nabooat asal mein Mola Ali a.s ko milni thi lakin ghalti se Muhammed saww ko mil gaye...Kiya aap iss baat ka koi proof bhi dein ge ya sirf aap sunni sunai baaton per hi yaqeen rakhtay hain aur apnay ulma se yeh jhooti khawatein sun ker yaqeen ker liya ?? humara aqeedah ye hai k Quran bilkul mukammal hai, bal k Allah Rabbul Izzat ne khud iss ki hifazat ka wada fermaya hai, na hum Quran main tehreef maantay hain or na jin mubarak hastion k naam aap ne ooper ziker kiye wo maantay hain (RA),, ye phir ek gustaakhi un ki shaan main k wo tehreef k qaail thay, kuch hosh k naakhun lain mohtaram.....kisi amal ko mansookh kernay ko tehreef sey milana theek nahi, aap ne her jumlay main ek alag baat ki hai, ek taraf aap ye saabit kerna chahiye k aap ka aqeedah-e-tehreef sahi hai kiun k hazrat Umar or baqi sahaba, jin ka naam aap ne zikar kia, bhi iss k qaail thay doosri janib aap keh rahay hain k Quran mukammal hai, ek baat ka faisla tou ker lein pehlay k tehreef hui ya nahi hui? Aray janab mein ne kahan tahreef ka iqrar kiya ?? Agar mein sunni books se hazrat umer,ayesha o ibn umar ka aqeeda aap loagon ko dikhata hon to kiya uss ka ilzam mujh per laga dein ge ?? Tahreef k aqeeda per to aap ki books bhari peri hain meray bhai aur aap ulta ilzam mujh per lagatay hain ?? bhayi ye hum ne kab kaha k Sahaba Karam (RA) masoom thay, hum tou ye keh rahay hain k Sahaba Karam (RA) masoom nahi bal k maghfoor zarur hain, jaisa k quran ki aayat hai "RAZI ALLAHO ANHUM WA RAZO ANH" yani main Un sey raazi ho gaya or wo Mujh sey. Aap is aayat k khilaaf 100 kahanian pesh ker lo hum usay nahi maanain gey. ............... Janab aap ko kis ne yeh khabar suna di k sahaba maghfoor thay ?? Agar sahaba maghfoor hotay to phir hamara kiya qasoor hai k humein Allah ne uss zamana mein paida nahi kiya aur hum maghfoor na ho sakay ?? Aap Allah k ADL k khilaf baat ker rahay hain aur jis ayat ko aap ne base bunaya hai iss ko aap ne kabhi samjha bhi ya sirf molvi ki sunni sunai tafseer per etibar ker liya ?? Aap shayed bait e shajra ki baat ker rahay hain...Iss masla per mein itna kahon ga k aap ki kam-ilmi hai iss baray mein kiun k bait e shajra mein abdullah bin abi salool bhi shamil tha jis ko sab munafiqeen ka sardar mantay hain...kiya aap ka aqeeda hai k Allah uss munafiq se bhi raazi tha ?? SubhanAllah kiya tafseer ki hai aap ne ayat ki... Iss k ilawa bhi aap ko bataon k kiya aap ne kabhi abdul rehman bin udais balavi ka naam perha hai ?? Zaroor perha ho ga agar nahi perha to 3rd caliph k aakhri dour k waqiyaat perh lein,ibn udais balavi unn egyptians k sardar tha jinhon ne 3rd caliph k ghar ka herao kiya aur unn ko qatal kiya aur abdul rehman bin udais balavi sahabi Rasool saww bhi tha aur uss ne bait e shajra bhi di thi...ab aap mujhay batao k kiya aap k aqeeda k mutabiq Allah hazrat usman k qatilon se bhi raazi tha aur munafiq abi salool se bhi raazi tha ?? Meray bhai molvion ki baaton per andha yaqeen nahi rakhna chahiye balkeh khud se bhi kuch tahqeeq ker lein chahiye :P TO BE CONTINUED Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 15, 2012 Janab mein ne aisa kab kaha k iran mein jo hajj tarining ki gaye woh haram hai ?? mein ne to aap ko kaha k agar aap ki soch k nazdeek agar iran k loagon ne haram kaam kiya to wohi kaam indonesian bhi kertay hain,phir aap ko unn per bhi fatwa dena chahiye k unhon ne bhi haraam kaam kiya aur waisa kernay walay sunni thay... Ab jahan tak baat hai shabeehat ki to uss mein aap kahein se sabit ker do k shabeeh bunana ghalat hai aur aap ahteraam aur pooja ko mix na karein kiun k agar aap apnay walid ka ahteraam kertay hain to iss ka matlab yeh nahi hota k aap apnay walid ki pooja ker rahay hain... Aur jahan tak baat hai Mola Ali a.s ki tasveer ki to hamara aqeeda iss ki ijazat nahi deta aur agar koi tasveer banata hai to woh uss ka zaati fael hai... Aur aap ne Mola Ali a.s ki tasveer ko denmark k cartoons se compare ker k bohat hi bewaqoofana baat ki,aap ne kabhi danish cartoons dekhay bhi hain ya sirf sunni sunai baaton per yaqeen kertay hain ?? Aap kabhi dekhiye ga woh cartoons...uss mein aik bachi wala cartoon hai..aap jaisay hi uss cartoon ko dekhein ge to aap foran kahein ge iss shaks ne zaroor sahih bukhari ki woh hadith perhi ho gi k jab Rasool Allah saww ne ayesha se nikah kiya to woh 6 saal ki bachi thi aur Rasool Allah saww ki age 52/53 saal thi...Yaqeen karein k agar aap ki books mein aisi ghalat baatein na hotein to na hi woh cartoon bunta aur na hi suleman rushdi tauheen-amaiz book likhta...aap zaroor apnay gareban mein jhankiye ga ta k aap ko apni ghaltion ka ahsaas ho sakay :P Aur aap ne kaha k aap ne copy paste nahi kiya....aap kon se posts ki baat ker rahay hain ?? starting posts ki baat ker rahay hain ?? kiya woh aap ne copy paste nahi kiya ?? Main pehlay bhi kayi dafa arz ker chuka hun k Quran or Hadis k ilawa kisi kitaab ka aitebaar nahi, ek baar phir arz ker deta hun, shayad aap ko ab samajh aajayein....alhamdolillah main apnay Deen per mukammal yaqeen rakhta hun, mujhe koi shak or shuba nahi aap ki tarah, lihaza apnay garaibaan main jhaanknay ki zarurat nahi,,,,,aa'maal k lihaaz sey ho sakta hai k main ek gunah gaar banda hun but mera aqeedah pukhta hai.......lihaza aap k ilzamaat or bohtaan taraashi isay badal nahi saktay..aap sawaalon k jawaab main naye sawaal lanay bajaye asal jawaab dein.............main ne na wo cartoon dekha hai na dekhna chahta hun........Tasweer/Tashbeeh kushi ki hurmat main Humaray liye ek he Hadis kaafi hai k "Jis Ghar main kutta or tasweer hogi wahan farishtay nahi aatay" Main ne apni post main ye clearly likkha thaa k jo RECENTLY POSTS ki hain wo copy paste nahi....shuru ki posts ka main ne shuroo main he bata diya thaa k copy paste hai, and for me copy pasting is not a bad thing if it is for the right purpose, agar kahain tou website ka reference bhi anayat ker doon???doosri baat ye k copy pasting uss waqt ghalat hoti jab uss website ki taraf sey copy right restrictions hon...aap ki itlaa k liye arz hai k wahan per aisi koi restrictions nahi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 15, 2012 Janab kiya aap mantay hain k Kaala Alam Rasool Allah saww ki sunnat hai ?? Phir aap sunnat per etiraz kernay walay kon hotay hain ?? Kiya aap loag sunnat k sirrf iss liye mukhalif hain kiun k shia kaala alam lehratay hain ?? Aur aap iss baat ko chore dein k sufaid lehraya ya nahi,aap sirf itna bataein k kiya aap ne kabhi kaala alam lehraya ?? Kis ne kaha k hum isss k mukhalif hain....Kala ALAM, bohat si jaga use ho raha hai, Humaray mujahideen isay use kartay hain, or na sirf kala bal k safaid bhi kertay hain.....Alhamdolillah, Mujahideen ko kabhi aap ne qareeb sey dekha ho tou maloom ho........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 15, 2012 Subhan Allah...issay kehtay hain dhetai...Hadith ki muatabar book se scan page upload kiya gaya hai lakin uss k bawajood bhi uss ka inkar kiya ja raha hai :P Ab aap mujhay sirf itna batao k kiya ayesha ne shariat k khilaf kaam kiya ?? Mera khyaal hai aap ko tameez sey naam lena chahiye Amma Ayesha (RA), Qurani Hukum k mutaabiq wo saari ummat ki maa hain.....apni maa ko un k first name sey pukaartay hain kiya???? Aap k inhe aqaaid ki wajah sey he aap ko humari kitaabein Islam sey khaarij samajhti hain...kahain tou main bhi scanned pages upload ker doon?? main tou chahta hun k quran or hadis sey he faisla ho jaaye magar aap shayad aisa nahi chahtay......bal k aisi kitaabon k hawalay dey rahay hain jin k baaray main na kabhi kisi ne suna or na he wo aam aadmi ki dastaras main hain.....or phir un ka koi aitebaar bhi nahi......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 15, 2012 I will be back with the answers for the rest of the questions in a few days....going away... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 15, 2012 Mera khyaal hai aap ko tameez sey naam lena chahiye Amma Ayesha (RA), Qurani Hukum k mutaabiq wo saari ummat ki maa hain.....apni maa ko un k first name sey pukaartay hain kiya???? Aap k inhe aqaaid ki wajah sey he aap ko humari kitaabein Islam sey khaarij samajhti hain...kahain tou main bhi scanned pages upload ker doon?? main tou chahta hun k quran or hadis sey he faisla ho jaaye magar aap shayad aisa nahi chahtay......bal k aisi kitaabon k hawalay dey rahay hain jin k baaray main na kabhi kisi ne suna or na he wo aam aadmi ki dastaras main hain.....or phir un ka koi aitebaar bhi nahi......... Dekhein meray bhai pehli baat to yeh hai k aap ko uss ayat ka shan e nazool bhi dekhna chahiye jis mein Azwaaj e Rasool saww ko maa kaha gaya hai aur dosri baat aap ne masnad imam humbal k baray mein kaha k woh muatabar book nahi hai,aap yaqeen se keh rahay hain yeh baat ?? aap ko ilm bhi hai imam humbal aap k 4 aima mein se 1 thay ?? agar aap imam humbal ko muatabar nahi mantay to phir aap ka to aqeeda hi ghalat hai meray bhai.Dosri baat aap ne to brelvi sunnion ko bhi Islam se kharij qarar diya hua hai aur waisay bhi aap ki books se koi bhi kafir sabit nahi hota meray bhai kher aap abhi busy hain aap kher khariat se wapas aa jaein phir InshAllah aap se baat ho gi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gul_E_HayaT 18 Posted May 15, 2012 Never ending debate!!! no one accepts to be wrong even though they are wrong! So , now I know the reason why this thread Is Shia Kafir got lengthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbow 333 Posted May 15, 2012 Never ending debate!!! no one accepts to be wrong even though they are wrong! So , now I know the reason why this thread Is Shia Kafir got lengthy. teri meri soch kitni milti hai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpion97 0 Posted May 16, 2012 You will never get anything from this debate, only hatred, why dnt u guys look at yourself , because, you can never force anyone to alter his mind and thinking, I am not shia nor Sunni, Nor wahabie, I am a Muslim, and Islam teaches Humanity first, I think you guys should get out of this jahalat, Because, There are many Sunni people who are wrong and go against Islam, Many wahabie whos believes are wrong, Many shia and Many sunnis too, Be a good muslim dnt be a shia or a sunni, be Muslim, listen to ALLAH , and if someone finds that other muslim brother or their class is doing something wrong, which is against Islam, Kindly dnt call Him a Kafir, because by doing that your are doing gunnah yourself, and its a really big sin to call a muslim kafir. Kindly dnt do that, and if you want anyone to tell him that he is wrong, do that with your behaviour, not Keechar uchal ke, and calling him a kafir, Because you are promising hell for yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sobe 12 Posted May 16, 2012 its not a question of someone belif and faith .. its about the right and wrong.. to claim something tht is right, which is absolutely wrong is also jahalat.. aur yeh boht bara zulm hay.. haq ki baat karna aur haq ke liyay baat karna bhi jihad hay... yahan pe kisi ke sath personal nahi hona.. kisi ko personaly target nahi karna.. .. kionky personaly targe karna gahalt hay.. baat right or wrong ki hay yahan.. aur jo right hay woh humesha hi right hi rahega .. chahay baat jitni marzi ghuma phira kay karlo.. yahan pe sirif shia ya suni ki baat nahin.. its about islam.. kionky shia ho ya suni ho ya brelvi ho ya wahabi ho... at the end of the day islam wohi hay jo hazarat Muhammad (S.A.W) ke waqt me tha aur wohi rahega.. chahay kkoi kitna marzi arguement kion na laye.. ya koi kuch bhi kahay.. agar hum log muslaman honay ka aur islam ko apna religion mantay hain to uska haq me baat karna ka ki jurat bhi rakhni chiyay... meri yeh post kisi aik ke liyay naihn hay na yeh shia logon ke liyay hay na na sunion ke liyay hay.. its for everyone jo apnay app ko muslamn kehnay ka dawa rakhta hay.. kionky islam ki value aik muslman ke liyay sab se ziayda hay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gul_E_HayaT 18 Posted May 16, 2012 teri meri soch kitni milti hai Yeah yeah :p You will never get anything from this debate, only hatred, why dnt u guys look at yourself , because, you can never force anyone to alter his mind and thinking, I am not shia nor Sunni, Nor wahabie, I am a Muslim, and Islam teaches Humanity first, I think you guys should get out of this jahalat, Because, There are many Sunni people who are wrong and go against Islam, Many wahabie whos believes are wrong, Many shia and Many sunnis too, Be a good muslim dnt be a shia or a sunni, be Muslim, listen to ALLAH , and if someone finds that other muslim brother or their class is doing something wrong, which is against Islam, Kindly dnt call Him a Kafir, because by doing that your are doing gunnah yourself, and its a really big sin to call a muslim kafir. Kindly dnt do that, and if you want anyone to tell him that he is wrong, do that with your behaviour, not Keechar uchal ke, and calling him a kafir, Because you are promising hell for yourself. So what are you man? At least, you are supposed to be someone ,I mean you would must have joined some school of thought ? Or you adopt different things from all sectors? How listen to Allah straight away without joining any of the mentioned sectors? How to be a Muslim? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbow 333 Posted May 16, 2012 I knw Shia are wrong even thy knw ..... to me thy do khulm khula shirk but whatever u do or say thy will not agree ...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maano 22 Posted May 16, 2012 Guys..this is a never ending debate... we come here to enjoy. There is a difference between having an intellectual dialogue with each other and attacking one another ... no one wants to hear that they are wrong..especially when it comes to ones beliefs and values.. so can we leave our personal beliefs and personal opinions at home before we come here? please and thank you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbow 333 Posted May 17, 2012 Maano mere Peicha na kr .p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpion97 0 Posted May 17, 2012 Yeah yeah :p So what are you man? At least, you are supposed to be someone ,I mean you would must have joined some school of thought ? Or you adopt different things from all sectors? How listen to Allah straight away without joining any of the mentioned sectors? How to be a Muslim? Wat a jerk, miss i already told you am a muslim, nor shia nor wahabie nor barelvie, I am a muslim, isnt this enough? you guys are divided in shia , wahabie and barelvie, Hazrat Muhammad PBUH was only muslim, not shia or wahabie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpion97 0 Posted May 17, 2012 And for your kind information, You guys are spreading hate , Islam teaches Love , Peace and Ikhlaq, Why we are so backward, and why we are called Third world, because we kill each other on the name of Islam , Shia people kill Sunniz , Sunniz Kill Shia, just on the name of ISlam, but they never know, Islam teaches Humanity love and peace, and thats how you can Spread real islam, from your behaviour and Loving attitude, Hazrat Muhammad PBUH is role model for us and he always taught LOVE And Humanity. And The one started this thread, is just spreading Hatred, and calling other people Kafir, How come you can teach someone and bring him to your side? One word "JAHALAT" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpion97 0 Posted May 17, 2012 I knw Shia are wrong even thy knw ..... to me thy do khulm khula shirk but whatever u do or say thy will not agree ...... What about sunniz who go to peer BABAz and do sajdaz and belive on them and they think he is greater than GOD? and what about those wahabiez who go to graveyards and do sajdaz? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 17, 2012 I knw Shia are wrong even thy knw ..... to me thy do khulm khula shirk but whatever u do or say thy will not agree ...... Agar aap ko aisa lagta hai to aaein sabit ker k dikha dein k shia ghalat hain,mein yahan aap k etirazat k jawab denay k liye mojood haoon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gul_E_HayaT 18 Posted May 17, 2012 Wat a jerk, miss i already told you am a muslim, nor shia nor wahabie nor barelvie, I am a muslim, isnt this enough? you guys are divided in shia , wahabie and barelvie, Hazrat Muhammad PBUH was only muslim, not shia or wahabie Yes the first word "Jerk" is enough to show where you come from, you never learnt to respect a woman? That is what I asked you calling yourself Muslim isn't enough !!!! you need more to follow the religion. For example , you say you have quran and namaz to read and follow all Islamic rulings that is Islam yes? Now tell me do you know the tafseer of Quran? did you know how to read salah? Did you know how many Fardh and Nawafils are there in Isha prayer? who told you about all this? Obviously , great great Islamic scholars who are well known in Islamic world such as Imam ABu Hanifa , Imam Shafi, Imam Hambal and Imam Maalik. Yes , they are they ones who saved our religion and wrote books, said things.Later , Islamic scholars have kept on reading those books and understanding the teaching of Islam and delivered message to us. I take it as a lame excuse when people say oh we are just Muslim that's enough . Was it like when you born , you learnt all Islamic teachings in your mother's belly? No. You must need to follow someone to understand deen. And for your kind information, You guys are spreading hate , Islam teaches Love , Peace and Ikhlaq, Why we are so backward, and why we are called Third world, because we kill each other on the name of Islam , Shia people kill Sunniz , Sunniz Kill Shia, just on the name of ISlam, but they never know, Islam teaches Humanity love and peace, and thats how you can Spread real islam, from your behaviour and Loving attitude, Hazrat Muhammad PBUH is role model for us and he always taught LOVE And Humanity. And The one started this thread, is just spreading Hatred, and calling other people Kafir, How come you can teach someone and bring him to your side? One word "JAHALAT" Who is spreading hate man? If we keep silent how would we learn ? what is right or wrong? How would we know our religion more in depth? And yes if you think someone is wrong or their belief , you better correct it. What about sunniz who go to peer BABAz and do sajdaz and belive on them and they think he is greater than GOD? and what about those wahabiez who go to graveyards and do sajdaz? So , Shia's beating their chest is allowed in Islam? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbow 333 Posted May 17, 2012 omer kahn i wnt argue with u my bro .............mere nazdeek kisi ki marg par blkay uus ki barsi par apnay jism ko maar maar kr nuksaan pahunchana gunah hai ........isai marnay wali ki rooh ko takleef hoti hai isnt tht wht u do on 10 muharram............baki batain tu baad ki hai and scorpian dumbo calm down dun call names yaar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbow 333 Posted May 17, 2012 What about sunniz who go to peer BABAz and do sajdaz and belive on them and they think he is greater than GOD? and what about those wahabiez who go to graveyards and do sajdaz? thy do shirk if thy go to mazar wagaira .........i have been brought up in ahlai hadees family .....bht simple sa hai dun go to mazaar ........its shirk...follow hazrat Muhammad pbuh's teachings......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sobe 12 Posted May 17, 2012 omar khan .. i have qc... baki sab cheezain chorain .. app mujhy sirif itna bata dain ke jo kalma app ne upar likha hay .. yeh kalma.. Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) se kahan sabit hota.. cuz baki sab arguement to baad ki baat hay ... sab se important thing to kalma hay .. so pehlay to app yeh clear kar dain...ke yeh .. sunni aur shia aur sab ko side pe karke yeh bata den.. ke yeh islam se kahan sabit hota hay ... not trying to be rude so personal mut liyiaga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpion97 0 Posted May 18, 2012 Yes the first word "Jerk" is enough to show where you come from, you never learnt to respect a woman? That is what I asked you calling yourself Muslim isn't enough !!!! you need more to follow the religion. For example , you say you have quran and namaz to read and follow all Islamic rulings that is Islam yes? Now tell me do you know the tafseer of Quran? did you know how to read salah? Did you know how many Fardh and Nawafils are there in Isha prayer? who told you about all this? Obviously , great great Islamic scholars who are well known in Islamic world such as Imam ABu Hanifa , Imam Shafi, Imam Hambal and Imam Maalik. Yes , they are they ones who saved our religion and wrote books, said things.Later , Islamic scholars have kept on reading those books and understanding the teaching of Islam and delivered message to us. I take it as a lame excuse when people say oh we are just Muslim that's enough . Was it like when you born , you learnt all Islamic teachings in your mother's belly? No. You must need to follow someone to understand deen. Who is spreading hate man? If we keep silent how would we learn ? what is right or wrong? How would we know our religion more in depth? And yes if you think someone is wrong or their belief , you better correct it. So , Shia's beating their chest is allowed in Islam? awwwww. why you so much angry? lol, offcourse we call jerk a jerk, Islam isnt that much strict jerk, People like you call others kafir, and they dnt even know they are in hell themselves, Those who pray with open hands and those who pray with close hands, whats the difference? they pray to ALLAh with pure heart , yes offcourse its hate you guys are targeting a specific group. Who are you guys to tell them you people are not muslims, Shame on you guys, Those mullahs and those who follow those mullahs i never agree with them, Islam teaches peace and love. Oh come on, why you took that word on heart? " Jerk" what about those people to whom you people saying " Kafir" that hearts more than that . I dnt knw, how can you target me and my prays to ALLAH. You dont even know me, May be am a better muslim than you, and may be for those you guys are using word Kafir are more near to ALLAH , one word " JAHALAT" and Miss GULE HAYAT , I know how to respect women, but i hate those who come between the GOD and man and try to become over smart , and instead of spreading real islam and its message of Rehmat Peace and LOve , they mold Islam to their own way and thinking. and yeah once again, I follow Quran and Sunnah and believe on One ALLAH , and i dnt spread hate and divide muslim community, i dnt call any other person Kafir ,yeah offcourse if i would know my friend or anyone surrounding me is on a wrong path i will teach him in a good manner and making myself a role model first, GET A LIFE LOOSERS!! and yeah Beating your own chest, its wrong and less education , i never appreciate it, but i just know calling someone Kafir is something really big and wrong , you cant teach anyone by targeting their whole community. thats why i also said what about those sunniz and those wahabiez? why you guys targeting a specific community? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scorpion97 0 Posted May 18, 2012 thy do shirk if thy go to mazar wagaira .........i have been brought up in ahlai hadees family .....bht simple sa hai dun go to mazaar ........its shirk...follow hazrat Muhammad pbuh's teachings......... Ja oye, sharam karo, then why are you guys only targeting a specific group? then arnt those people out of the circle of ISLAM? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
