:) well sisters mere be dua hn kh me kalima ki discussion tak paunch jao sahee :P baat suruh hui aur objections started.pehle rukh ki post ka answer kerta hn.u have completely misunderstood me on akl and talqeed issue.
The word imam recurs 7 times in the Qur’an, while its plural form, a’immah, appears 5 times. In 3 of these cases it refers explicitly to a book:And before it was the Book of Musa, a guide and a mercy. (Hud : 17)
And before it was the Book of Musa, a guide and a mercy. (al-Ahqaf : 12)
Verily, we will restore the dead to life, and we write that which they sent forth, and that which they left behind; and of everything we have taken account in a Clear Book. (Yasin : 12)
In another 2 cases it refers to the champions of kufr:
Fight the leaders of kufr. (at-Tawbah : 12)
And We made them leaders who call towards the Fire. (al-Qasas
One reference is to a clearly discernible road:
And verily, the two (cities) lie next to a clear road. (alHijr : 79)
One reference is to a clearly discernible road:
And verily, the two (cities) lie next to a clear road. (alHijr : 79)
yeh han woh verse jiis ka hawala app ne diya rukh Indeed, We gave Musa the Book, so be not in doubt about meeting him; and We made it a (source of) guidance for the Children of Isra’il. And We made from amongst them leaders who guided by Our command, when they persevered. And they had full certainty in Our signs. (as-Sajdah : 23-24)
In the remaining six places where the word is used, it is used in terms of its literal meaning, i.e. leadership. In Surah al-Ambiya’ it is stated:
We said: O fire, be cool and (a means of ) safety unto Ibrahim. And they planned against him; but We made them the greater losers. And We delivered him and Lut to the land which We blessed for the nations. And We gave him Ishaq, and Ya‘qub as an additional gift; and all of them We made righteous men. And We made them leaders who guide by Our command; and We revealed to them the doing of good, the establishment of prayer and the giving of alms. And they were men who served Us. (al-Ambiya’ : 69-73)
And We wished to be gracious to those who were oppressed in the land, and to make them leaders, and to make them heirs. (al-Qasas : 5)
(They are) those who say: Our Lord, grant us the coolness of (our) eyes in our wives and children, and make us leaders of the pious. (al-Furqan : 74)
The day when we will call all people by their leaders. (al-Isra’ : 71)
to rukh app khud dekh le quran ne kuffar ke leaders ko be imam kaha hn?kya app un ki talqeed kere ge??????? <_< make sense
jee han imam jaffer sadiq(as) shia ke nasdeek ahlul bayt ke 12 imams ma se 6th imam th.baki 2 imam hanifa aur bukhari be ah humare sath mujud nahi.aj humare pass inn logo ke akwal ahadees mujud hn.lekan logo ne buht se batien in ki tarif se ase mansub ker di jinn ka un se koi taluk nai.unne ne ase hoshare ke sath mansub kia kh quran ki baz ayat ka galat matlab nikal apni baat ko sach zabit kerna chaya.maslan koi shia ya mujtahidd yh bole khalifa awal abu bakr(ra) ko bura bhala kah jye,aur zabut ke torr per koi ayat lye jiss ma ALLAH ne sahaba ko kisse galti per warning de ho.to kya me us ko blindly follow ker lu.nai ma asa nai keru ga agar akl rakhta to kyn kh haz. abu bakr(ra) imam jaffer ke naniyal me se th(app ke dono beto abdurrehman aur muhammed bin bakr ke zariya app imam jaffer ke rishte tarr hn)ab samaj aya akl ka matlab.age humare discussion ma buht se issues ase aye kh jaye app mere baat aur waseh ho jye ge.flhal pareshan na ho rukh ek glass pani pee le :!: imam abu hanifa was a student of imam jaffer(as)
Abu Hanifa says, “ If it was not for those two years (the period that Abu Hanifa was the student of Imam Sadiq A.S), Nu'man would have perished.†The foremost Islamic alchemist Jabir Ibn Hayyan (known in Europe as Geber) was his most prominent student. Other famous students of his were Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi and Malik Ibn Anas, the founders of thr Sunni schools of jurisprudence, and Wasil ibn Ata, the founder of the Mutazilite school of Islamic thought.
Ja'far was known for his liberal views on learning, and was keen to debate with scholars of different faiths and of different beliefs. Abu Hanifa is quoted by many souces as having said "My knowledge extends to only two years. The two I spent with Ja'far al-Sadiq". Some Islamic scholars have gone so far as to call Ja'far al-Sadiq as the root of most of Islamic jurisprudence, having a massive influence on Hanafi, Maliki and Shia schools of thought extending well into mainstream Hanbali and Shafi'i thought.
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One of the great students of Imam Jaffer E Sadik was Abu Hanifa. Abu Hanifa knew the Qur'an by heart and had memorised over 100,000 sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. The saying of the Prophet are called Ahadith. Abu Hanifa is said to recite the Qur’an in every three days and fast for most of the year. He traveled to Baghdad where he was murdered by an evil king called Mansoor. His body was dragged on the streets of Baghdad on a cart. But his teachings remained and many people began to follow him. His followers were called Sunni Muslims and his law was called Hanafia Law.
There are three other law givers in Sunni Islam and they are Imam Malik, Imam Shafi and Imam Hanbal. They had all been inspired by the teachings of Imam Jaffer E Sadik. They were all great scholars of their time and they all knew the Qur'an by heart. It is very interesting to study their lives and their teachings in detail.
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next point is ariba and rukh imam bukhari did not believe in imam abu hanifa and did not narrate fromyes check the proof
this is the verdict of great sunni scholar g.f haddad.authentic and a knowledgable man here is the linkMy Webpage pir app dono ke confidence per mujhe buht herani hui.u both behaving as u have swimmed the whole ocean of knowledge.deen ka mukammal ilm hn app dono ke pass. here is rukh again ok check this hadith of bukhari( there are numerous weak hadiths in bukhari and muslim and shia hadith books also like al-kafi) so if we follow the title of book sahih bukhari the wordsahih and consider everything in it to be authenic then what do u make up of these hadiths or agar iss ki isnad sahih be ho to sunni mujtahid app se bole iss ki isnad sahih hn to ariba and rukh will u believe that holy nabi(saw) would have said so :angry2: kya kere ge app?apniakl use kere ge because this hadith is khilaf-e-quran and sunnah and u will not accept it.what are your comments dear sisters ariba and rukhor ijtyhad main FIQAh main Mujtahid ki tareef yeh k woh quran k 500 ahkamat kay ayat us ko yad hoon isee terah ahdees or sahaba kay zamnay main honay walay tmam qaza o qadar say waqif ho or arabi lughat main mahrat rakhta ho to us ka ijtyhad MUATBER HAY
or inhee MUJHTAHDEEN ki taqleed ki jate hay k aisa ILM her ik ko nahi milta na her koi is mertaba tuk pohnchta hay !mere iss baat se koi ikhtelaf nahi but at some issues we have to think because sometimers they try to be diehard defenders of their institution without logic and sense.inshallah humare discussion ma ase issues aye ge.me khud ayatuulah syed seestani(iraq ke sub se bare shia alim) sahib ki talqeed kerta hn.iss liye imam jaffer(as) ne farmaya keh her ek baat ki bazghast (checking) kitab-e-ALAH aur sunnat-erasul(saw) se kero,agar us ke mutabik ho to sahih hn werna woh ek khubsurat jhoot hn.yahi qaul ahl-esunnat ke aima araba(4 sunni imams of fiqah) ka hn agar humare akwal ko khilaf-esunnat pao ko tark ker do usso.kisse ne yh nai bola kh humare follwers ban ker blind talqeed kero werna to koi be insan app ko misguide ker de kh falah imam ne yh humara(kyn kh aj woh log zinda nahi)
:D x 400 ,mere pyare sis ariba iss baat ko to meh roh raha hn.akl ka yahi istemal.rukh ki baat be sahi hr insan ki akl mutabir nai.best is that of mujtahid but follw with caution well where is ibadat,eiman alexander.why are they not in the discussion?unne be chayeh tah kh woh be humare sath apne khayalat share kerte.ok buddies now me sarde buht hn.app dono be ariba aur rukh have a glass of water.bye for now
