cute rania 0 Posted July 22, 2004 Assalam-o-alaikum to all... :hi: Islam pe yahan jitnay bhi topics discuss kiye gaye hayn..mujhay bohat achay lagay....aur phir jo ques or un k ans itni details mayn miltay hayn...tou bohat khushi hoti hai...meray pas bhi aisay bohat se ques hayn jo mujhay confuse krtay hayn...or inshAllah mayn yahan zaroor discuss karoon gi...filhal mujhay aik ques poochna tha k, mayn ne suna hai k namaz mayn 2 Surah's parhnay ki ijazaat nahin hai...mayn reason janna chahti hoon k aisa kiyun hai??ap log iss baray mayn kia jantay ho....n these are Ayat-al-kursi...n Surah Kausar..i hope k yahan se mujhay kuch na kuch help zaroor milay gi...??? aur mera 2nd ques yeh hai k aurat ki namaz ada krnay ka tareeka kia hai?aj tak mujhay yeh baat clear nahin ho saki...koee kia kehta hai or koyee kia..kisi aik ka sun k amal karo tou second person apna tareeka paish kr deta hai....iss liye mayn iss k baray mayn detail se janna chahti hoon...??? bas yehi meray questions hayn...agr mujhay in ka ans mil jaye tou mayn next questions karoon....[/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
khurshid4U 0 Posted July 22, 2004 :) cute rania asalam-o-alikum...... :hi: good questions............ sab seh pehlay app ko yeh batanah parey gah keh app koun seh maslaakpar hein i mean ......ahley-sunnat....ahley-hadees.....ahley taseeh.....pher app ko sahew ansmel sakhta hei meh alley -sunnat.....balerve.....seh belong karta houn ab app ko kia ans doun.app ka koun sah maslak hei khurshid siddiqi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**LaLa_1** 0 Posted July 22, 2004 Assalamoalikum !! 1::aap ne sawal wazahat k saath nahi kiya..... bhayee agar namaz main surah nahi perhee jaye tou namaz he nahi hoteee...... khair main aap ko detail sey samjhanay kee koshish kerta hoon........Faraz namaz kee pehli 2 rakat main Surah fatiha k saath surah ka milana lazim hai , aur oos main koi qed nahi hai k aap ek he surah perhein .... aap atleast ek lambee aayat ya 3 choti aayatein perh saktee hain........... is sey ziadah bhee perhney main koi herj nahi hai ..aur jitni marzi chahey ek rakat main surah perh saktee hain ...koi qed nahi hai.......Raha sawal Sunnat aur Nafal namazo ka tou oos ka tareeqa ye hai k her rakat main surah Fatiha k baad kisi bhee Surah ya AAyaton ka milana lazim hai........ byani oosi tarah jis tarah Farz namaz main Surah milanay ka tareeqa hai................aur raha sawal AAYATulKursi perhney ka ya Sura Kosar perhney ka tou aap ne ghalat suna hai ....is ko perhney main koi herj nahi hai ........ Quran Pak kee koi bhee Surah perh saktey hain namaz main ..........................aap ko kisi ne ghalat guide kiya hai.......... 2:: aap k doosrey sawal ka jawab ye hai k Sahi Bukhari kee mashoor Haidh hai k RasoolaALLAH (SAW) ne irshad fermaya k "perho namaz (a meri ummat )jis tarah dekhtey ho tum k main namaz perhta hoon"...(SAHI BUKHARI) tou matlab ye hoowa k aurto aur mard kee namaz main koi difference nahi hai .....haan albatta Imam Abbu Hanifa k nazdeek aurto kee namaz kee shakal mard kee namaz sey mukhtalif hai...yani mard zere naaf haath baandhengey aur aurtein seenay per....rukoo main jaetey hoowey mard apni kamar ko seedha rakhengey aur aurtein ziadah nahi jhukengee.......isi tarah sijday main jaatey waqt aurtein apni kohnio ko zameen per rakhengee aur jisam k sarey aaza simtey hoowey hongey.............lekin yaad rahey k ye Imam Abbu Haneefa ka maslak hai ........ werna aksar Ulama ka ikhtilaaf hai aurto aur mardo kee namaz main.....baaz Ulama kehtey hain k Aurto aur mardo kee namaz main koi difference nah hai...jis tarah ooper Hadith main irshad fermaya gaya k HOOBAHOO mere tareeqay per namaz perho..aur ye poori ummat sey kaha gaya hai.........phir apni taraf sey ye Hukam lagana k Mard seeney per haath na baandhein aur aurtein sijday main koi aur tareeqa ikhtiyar karein ye deen main mudaakhilat hai......................beher haal Namaz ALLAH kee Raza k liye perhee jaatee hai tou chahey jaisa marzee tareeqa ho oos main Ikhlaas shamil ho tou ALLAh RabbulIzzat zaroor oosey qubool fermayengey.....................for further details , read"AAP K MASAIL AUR OON KA HAL " by yYousuf Ludhyanwee sahib (SHAHEED) ALLAH RABBULIZZAT HUMAIN AMAL KEE TOUFIQATA FERMAYE AAMEEN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute rania 0 Posted July 23, 2004 A.o.A n wasalam lala_1 :hi: ap ne jo kuch meray ques k ans mayn likha ...woh kisi had tak sahih hai laykin mujhay koyee khas satisfaction nahin hoyeee.....Hazrat Mohammad (S.A.W) ne yeh kaha k "Aye meri ummat jis tarah mujhay namaz parhtay huay dekho bilkul aisay hi ada karo"...laykin jis tarah mard namaz ada krtay hayn iss tarah se aurat ada nahin kr sakti....yeh baat mayn ap ki nahin manti k in ki namaz mayn koi difference nahin....Aurat ko hukam hai k woh jitna simat k namaz parh sakti hai parhay...yeh tou humaray NAbi (S.A.W) ne bhi apni wife HAzrat Ayesha (R.A) ko aik dafa namaz parhtay dekh kr farmaya k aurat k liye siamt k namaz parhna hai...mujhay abhi in sab baton ka proof tou nahin hai but i will try ma best k mayn next tym proof k sath baat kahoon.....but yeh tou hai k aurat or mard ki namaz mayn difference hai....ap ki yeh baat sahih hai k ada tou namaz krni hai chahay jaisay bhi parhi jaye laykin hr baat k kuch asool hotay hayn...abb yeh tou nahin kaha ja sakta k khani tou roti hi hai chahay seedhay hath se khayen ya ultay se....but mayn yeh poochna chah rahi thi k aj kul hr koyee apna nazaria paish kr raha hai k aurat ko yoon sijda krna chahiye or yoon namaz ada krni chahiye.....mujhay yeh confusion hai k kaisay.aur specially yeh k sijda krtay waqt paon ka rukh iss taraf hona chahiye iss taraf nahin....aisee bohat sii batayen aa jati hayn jo confuse krti hayn....ruko mayn hathon ki fingers jor kr rakhni chahiyen waghaira waghaira.....itna jhukna chahiye,..sijda iss tarah se krna chahiye...tou iss tarah ki bohat sii batayen hayn jo samajh se bilkul bahir hayn..... doosray ques ka jahan tak taluk hai tou mujhay pata hai k namaz mayn Surah Fateha k baad koyee sii bhi Surat parhi jati hai. ..but Ayat-al-kursi or Surah kausar nahin parhi jati...mayn poochna chah rahi thi k in 2 Surah's ko parhnay se kiyun mana kia gaya hai..??..baki tou ap koyee bhi parh saktay ho...but yeh 2 kiyun nahin...???? Any ways thanx for ans.....aur ap ne jo book batayee hai inshAllah woh bhi consult krnay ki koshish karoon gi.... :) ...thanx alot.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute rania 0 Posted July 23, 2004 A.o.A khurshid4u, ap jo pooch rahay hayn iss se meray ques ka kia taluk???mujhay samajh nahin ayee.....anyways we r Ahl-e-sunnat....:) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**LaLa_1** 0 Posted July 23, 2004 Assalamoalikum and walikumossalam cuterani!! first of all i will say k aap ne mera jawab ghor sey nahi perha.......... main ne aap ko oos main ye bataya thaa k Mardo aur aurto kee namaz main ikhtilaaf hai Ulama-e-Ummat main , baaaz ulama k nazdeek mardo aur aurto kee namaz same hai , koi difference nahi hai oos main..... lekin baaz Ulama k nazdeek jaisa k main ne aap ko Imam Abbu Hanifa ka maslak bataya k oon k nazdeek aurto aur mardo kee namaz main kafi difference hai,,,,yani oos kee shakal mukhtalif hai ....yani aurto ko simat ker namaz perhney ka Hukam hai ..aur woh is liye k Beperdagee na ho ...Jismani aazaa zahir na hon ...zahir hai jub aurtein mardo k tareeqay per namaz perhengee tou jismani aazaa zahir tou hongey... tou sirf isi liye ye Hukam lagaya gaya k aurtein simat ker namaz perhein..taa k beyperdagee na ho .......aur Imam Abbu Hanifa ne proof k saath Ahadis sey saabit ker k ye baat kee hai......................... aur choonkey sub -continent main musalmano kee ziadah taadaad oon k maslak per qaaim hai is liye Imam Abbu Hanifa ka maslak bataya....... agar chey baqi Ulama main kafi ikhtilaaf paya jata hai aur woh oosi Hadis ko follow kertey hain jo pichllee reply main bayan kee "Aye meri ummat jis tarah mujhay namaz parhtay huay dekho bilkul aisay hi ada karo"... aur woh bhee proof k saath ye baat kertey hain ........... beher haal ye dono apni jaga per sahi hain ..... agar aap Imam Abbu Hanifa k maslak ko follow kertey hain tou aap k namaz ka tareeqa bilkul sahi hai aap oosi per chalein ....aur agr doosrey tareeqay per tou bhee sahi ........................ aap kee samajh sey kon see baat bahir hai? :( jis tarah aap ne aurto kee namaz ka tareeqa bataya hai woh tou sahi hai .... aur aisa sirf isi liye hai k bey perdagee na ho ...Jismani aazaa kaheen nazar na aajeyein .....kisi Namehram kee nazar na per jaye...... is main confuse honay wali koi baat nahi hai :) ..bas humain Deen ko oosi tarah follow kerna hai jis tarah Allah Rabbul Izzat ne bataya hai .. ,................................. 2: main ne aap ko agar chey Namaz main suratein perhney ka tareeqa bataya hai tou woh is liye k koi confusion baqi na rahay......................raha sawal 2 surato k na perhney ka tou oos k barey main main ne pichlee reply main bataya thaa na k in 2 surato k perhney main koi herj nahi hai..........aur is main kisi bhee aalim ka koi aiteraaz nahi hai ..sub Ulama -e-Ummat is baat per muttafiq hain k ye 2 suratein namaz main perhee ja saktee hain.................... jo log ye kehtey hain k in ka perhna theek nahi hai tou I think oon ko Deen kee Alif Bey ka bhee nahi pata ......woh ghalat kehtey hain is liye oon kee baton per kaan na dherein................................... inSurato k namaz main perhney main koi herj nahi hai........................................................ ALLAH RABBUL IZZAT KAMI BESHI MAAF FERMAYE AUR DEEN PER SAHI TAREEQAY PER AMAL KERNE KEE TOFIQ ATA FERMAYE......... AAMEEN........ALLAH HAFIZ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute rania 0 Posted July 24, 2004 A.o.A n walaikum salam LaLa, mujhay jis ne guide kia abb tak.shayad uss ko wakayee alif bay nahin ati..i think ap ki shagirdi mayn rahoon tou alif se le kr yeh tak sab samajh aa jaye...mujhay iss dafa bhi khatir khawa tasalli nahin hoyee :( i think mayn kahin or search karoon iss ka ans...mayn ne ap k saray mssgs ghor se parhay...kuch batyen ap ne bilkul sahih likheen laykin mujhay sahih points nahin milay..namaz ka mujhay pata hai k auraton ki different hoti hai laykin baz jaga aisee bohat sii chotti chotti batayen aa jati hayn jo confuse krti hayn....Surah's ka concept sahih ho gaya abb parh lia karoon gi...thanx for tht..:) BAS MERI YEHI DUA HAI K ALLAH HUM SAB KO DEEN OR DUNIYA MAYN SURKHUROO KARAY..AMEEN ..SUM AMEEN.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted July 27, 2004 (edited) asalamu alikum ! mayn ne suna hai k namaz mayn 2 Surah's parhnay ki ijazaat nahin hai...mayn reason janna chahti hoon k aisa kiyun hai??ap log iss baray mayn kia jantay ho....n these are Ayat-al-kursi...n Surah Kausar..i hope k yahan se mujhay kuch na kuch help zaroor milay gi...??? Farz namaz main sora Fatiha kay sath 2 sorah milana Makroohat main say hay ....Farz namaz ka jub bhi hukam aya hay us main hamesha ! Kam say kam 3 ayat ya aik sorah perhnay ka hukam hay ...dosre sorat mila ker perhna ferz namaz main khilaf-e- Olla hay ..to is lehaz say app aytul kursee or sora kauser ko bhi ferz namaz main jama nahi ker saktee ....(mainy is maslay ko khas tor per 2Ulma or ai shaikh ul hadees (mufti)say discuss ki hay or teeno nay yehe jawab diya hay or reason yehe hay kay Fiqah ki mustanad kitaboon main is ko makrooh he likha gya hay Nafal namaz main app jitnee merzee chahain Sortain perh saktee hay is ki ijzat hay bayshak app poora quran perh lain kion kay Nafil ki bunyad TAWalat per hay ! aur mera 2nd ques yeh hai k aurat ki namaz ada krnay ka tareeka kia hai?aj tak mujhay yeh baat clear nahin ho saki...koee kia kehta hai or koyee kia..kisi aik ka sun k amal karo tou second person apna tareeka paish kr deta hai....iss liye mayn iss k baray mayn detail se janna chahti hoon...??? Abu Daod ki Tamaseel main hazrat ayesha say riwayat hay kay hum namaz perhtee to Hazoor salal Allaho alhi wasalam apni lathee ko hamare Peeth per rakhtay or kehtay Past ho jaoo or past ho jaoo .. is haddes say sabit hota Awrat ki namz main pasatgee hay .. tareeqa yeh hay Awrat takbeer-e -tehreema kay lay apnay hatoon ko apnay Kandhoon (shoulders) tak uthay gee ...(jub kay male Kanoo tak uthain gay ) is kay bad apnay donoo hatoon ko Seenay per bandhain gee is terha kay Baain (left) hath ki pusht(back) per daain (right) hath ki hatylee rakhay gee.. or apnay don qadmoon kay dermyan zyad say zyda 4 unglioon(fingers) ka fasla rakhay gee .is say zyada fasla nahi ..kam ker sakte hain ! Rukoo main awrat itna jhukay jahan tak us kay hath Ghutnoo(knee) tak pohnach jain ..or apni unglioon ko Joray gee... sajda awrat bilkul zameen say lag ker kerain gee ..kion kay awrat ki namaz main Inkhifaz hay yanee apnay Aaza ko samyat ker namaz perhay gee .yehe masnon hay sajday kay ley pehlay ghtnoo ko zameen per rakhna,phir dono hatoon ko or pheray chehray ko .pait ko ranoo say milayee gee or bilkul paast ho ker sajda kerain gee . is tera jub app do sajdoon kay dermyan jalsa kerain gee to apnay hatoon ko dono raanoo per rakhain gee or donoo perron ko dahnee (right ) ki teraf nikalin gee well rania..ager app koi ab bhi koi bat samjh na ayee ap dobara pooch saktee hain mere poree koshish hay app tak sahe or waziha bat pohncha sakoon Wallaho alam Edited July 27, 2004 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**LaLa_1** 0 Posted July 27, 2004 Assalamoalikum and walikumossalam rukh Fiqah kee mustanad kitabo main Surato kee tarteeb k honay ko wajib qarar diya gaya hai yani agar pehi rakaat main Surah-e-Kosar aur doosri rakaat main Sura Ekhlaas perhee hai tou bil ittifaaq oos main koi herj nahi hai .......tarteeb ka hona zaroori hai yani agar pehli rakaat main tou SUrah-eKosar perhlee aur doosri rakaat main SUrah -e-Quraish tou ye jayez nahi..... aur jahan tak taluq hai AAYATUL KURSI aur Surah -e- Kosar k mila ker perhney ka tou oos k liye mainn ne Hadis kee kitabo aur Fiqa kee kitabo main QUDDOORI aur Hidayah ko chaan mara hai lekin kaheen bhee is k makrooh honay ka ziker nahi mila haan agar ek he rakaat main in ko mila ker perhengey tou ye na jayez hai kion k ye tarteeb k khilaaf hai aur terteeb ka hona lazim hai................ aur Nafal aur Farz namazo k liye Tilawat aur baqi Arkaan kee soorat ek he jaisee hai.. farq sirf itna hai k nafal aur sunnat kee her rakaat main Surah-e-Fatiha k baad Surah ya Aayato ka milana lazim hai....................... aur 2 SUrato k jama kerne ka Farz namaz main jahan tak taluq hai tou oos k liye masla ye hai k in ko agar mila liya jaye tou koi herj nahi hai matlab ye k agar ek he rakaat main Sura-e-Ikhlaas aur Surah-e-Falak perh lee tou bilittifaaq namaz tou ho jayegee albatta sawab main kami hojayegee (WALLAHOOALAM) is ka mujhe abhee tak proof nahi mila k waqi main aisa he hai , main ne sirf ek ALIM sey suna hai......... agar aap ko is barey main koi Hadis ya Kisi Fika kee Kitaab sey miley tou aap plzz mujhe bhee bataiyega..ok?? ALLAH HAFIZ ............ ALLAH RABBUL IZZAT KAMI BESHI MAAF FERMAYE AUR HUMARI SAHI REHNUMAYEE FERMAYE ....aameen.................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute rania 0 Posted July 28, 2004 A.o.A rukh.:) ap ne meray 2nd question ka ans bohat achay tareekay se diya..now i m satisfied..or 1st question mera yeh nahin tha k in Surah's ko ikathay parhna hai...balkay yeh tha k in ko parhnay se namaz mayn mana kia gaya hai..anyways bas yeh abb clear ho gaya hai....thanx for help....now i m satisfied...:) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute rania 0 Posted July 28, 2004 A.o.A Lala, :hi: ap ne bohat acha mssg diya or bilkul sahih kaha..i agreed with u....or Surah's ki tarteeb ka mayn next question krnay wali thi..k yeh kis tarah se hoti hayn???meanz k inhayn namaz k hawalay se tarteeb se parhna hota hai ya namaz mayn farz or sunnat k hawalay se....maslan subah fajjar ki namaz mayn jo Surah's parhi hayn abb agli namaz mayn uss se agli parhni hayn..ya phir iss tarah se k bas namaz ki farz or sunnat k hawalay se tarteeb ka khiyal rakhna???mujhay iss mayn thori confusion hai..ap ne zikar kia iss liye ap se hi pooch rahi hoon... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**LaLa_1** 0 Posted July 28, 2004 ASSALAMOLIKUM!!!!!! Jis tarah pehle bayan kia k namaz main Surato ko tarteeb k saath perhna wajib hai .......... tou oos ko main ek example sey samjhanay kee koshish kerta hoon .....for example aap ne namaz kee pehli rakaat main Surah Feel perhee hai tou doosri rakato main oos k baad wali Surah ka perhna wajib hai .........agar is sey pehle wali Surah bhooley sey perh leen tou tarteeb baqi nahi raheygee ....aur agar Sijda Sahu na kiya tou namaz nahi hogee......Namaz ka lotana lazim hai ..............yaad rahay k her Sunnat ya Nafal namaz kee jub niyat baandh lee tou woh namaz Wajib hojatee hai yani agar kisi wajah sey woh namaz poori na ho sakay tou doobara oos ka perhna Lazim hojayega.........aur agar Jaan boojh ker aisa kia hai tou namaz he nahi hogee ......Namaz ka lotana lazim hoga is Surah main bhee....chahey woh Ferz namaz ho , Sunnat ho ya Nafal............. tarteeb ka khiyaal rakhna zaroori hai her namaz main....... lekin yaad rahay k ye tarteeb sirf oosi namaz k liye hai ...oos main agar aap ne Fajar kee Sunnato main bhee wahee Surah perheen aur Farzo main bhee tou bhee theek hai ...lekin behter ye hai k oos k bajaye koi aur Surah perh lein.......yahee msnoon tareeqa hai ...... aur ye zaroori nahi k her namaz k liye tarteeb rakhee jaye ....... for example aap ne agar Fajar main Surah-e- Feel aur Surah-e-Quresh perhee hain tou ye zaroori nahi k Zohor main aap ko oos k baad wali Surah perhnee lazim hai....hergiz nahi koi Qed nahi hai..............Sirf oosi namaz k liye terteeb ka rakhna zaroori hai....... maslan agar aap ZOHOR kee 4 rakaat perh rahee hain tou oonhe 4 rakaato main tarteeb ka rakhna lazim hai baqi rakaato main nahi ................................ WALLAHOALAM ALLAH RABBUL IZZAT HUMARI SAHI REHNUMAYEE FERMAYE ...........AAMMEEN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute rania 0 Posted July 29, 2004 A.o.A to all :hi: thanx lala...thanx alot...bas yeh aik baat mujhay kafi confuse kr rahi thi jo ap ne clear kr di..now i m satisfied.n will go through this....inshAllah ainda bhi koyee problem hua tou yaheen pe ap logon se share karoon gi....thanx indeed to all of u..:flower: specially to lala n rukh :) Allah ap logon k darjat buland kray ...Ameen.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted July 30, 2004 (edited) Assalamoalikum and walikumossalam rukhFiqah kee mustanad kitabo main Surato kee tarteeb k honay ko wajib qarar diya gaya hai yani agar pehi rakaat main Surah-e-Kosar aur doosri rakaat main Sura Ekhlaas perhee hai tou bil ittifaaq oos main koi herj nahi hai .......tarteeb ka hona zaroori hai yani agar pehli rakaat main tou SUrah-eKosar perhlee aur doosri rakaat main SUrah -e-Quraish tou ye jayez nahi..... aur jahan tak taluq hai AAYATUL KURSI aur Surah -e- Kosar k mila ker perhney ka tou oos k liye mainn ne Hadis kee kitabo aur Fiqa kee kitabo main QUDDOORI aur Hidayah ko chaan mara hai lekin kaheen bhee is k makrooh honay ka ziker nahi mila haan agar ek he rakaat main in ko mila ker perhengey tou ye na jayez hai kion k ye tarteeb k khilaaf hai aur terteeb ka hona lazim hai................ a Walikum salam Lala1 mainy jo masla bayan kia woh sahee hay main app ko refrence bata rahee hoon ..Umeed hay app ki bhi taseeh ho jay gee Faraiz ki aik aik Rakat main Kaye kayee Sortain perhna Acha nahi hay yanee yeh Khilaf_e_Olla hay Refrence : Fataawa Dar-ul-aloom , Page # 250 , Jild 2 Namaz main Sorah ki terteeb Farz namaz main soratoon ki terteeb ferz namazoon main say Jaan boojh ker qurani terteeb kay khilaf Qiraat kerna Makrooh-e-tehreme hay yanee jo Sorh terteeb main peechay hay us ko Pehlee RAKat main perhna or jo pehlay hay us ko DOsree rakat main perhna Example : Pehlee rakat main QULl Ya AYYUH-AL-KAFIROOON ko perhna or dosreee RAKAT main ALAM TARA KAIYFA perhna ager kissi kay Bhool ker ghaltee ho gyee to Makrooh nahi hay ..or ager kissi ko perhtay perhtay aik dum khiyal ajaye kay main khilaf-e- terteeb qiarat ker raha hoon to us ko chehey jo perh raha tha usee ko complete keray is lay kay Sorah shroo kertay waqt us ko maloom na tha or kion kay us nay jan bojh kay na kia tha is ley ab Makrooh na raha Nafil namaz main : Nawafil main ager koi jaan bojh ker bhi terteeb say na perhay to Makrooh nahi hay Refrence Shami , Ilm-ul-Fiqah ,Page # 109 , Jild 2 Jis tarah pehle bayan kia k namaz main Surato ko tarteeb k saath perhna wajib hai .......... tou oos ko main ek example sey samjhanay kee koshish kerta hoon .....for example aap ne namaz kee pehli rakaat main Surah Feel perhee hai tou doosri rakato main oos k baad wali Surah ka perhna wajib hai .........agar is sey pehle wali Surah bhooley sey perh leen tou tarteeb baqi nahi raheygee ....aur agar Sijda Sahu na kiya tou namaz nahi hogee......Namaz terteeb ka hona lazim hai LALa 1 > app nay sorah ki terteeb ko namaz main Wajib kaha hay jub kay aysa nahi hay ....or app nay likha hay is kay chornay per Sajda sahw hay werna namaz lotane peray gee ..? yeh kaysay mukim hay Ager yeh wajibat main say hota to phir Nafil namazoo per bhi is ka itlaq hota ...orSajda sahaw sirf wajibat main kami baysee per hay ..jub kay sorah ki terteeb namaz main OLLA or KHILAF--E-OLLA ka masla hay .. is terha to Adhae awam ko namazin lotana per jaain gee kion kay ..Her insan ko Terteeb say Sortaain yad nahi hotee .... to kia un ki Namazin ho he nahi rahee? Sorah ki terteeb na rakhna Yeh bhi makroohat-e-Namaz kay masail main say hay .. yeh Wajib nahi hay app Fiaqh ki kutab Behesht-e-gohar , behesht-e-zewar , Noor -ul-izaah .. dekh saktay hain ..in sub main makroohat-e-namaz main is masail ka zikker hay ..is kay ilawa jo refrencs mainy deye hain app woh dekh saktay hain qadore main Iamam qadoore nay Ibadat ko itnee tafseel say ziker nahi kia ..bulkay Mamlaat ko tfseelan or ibadat ko ijmalan zikker kia hay ! Rania >Sorah ki terteeb say murad yeh hota hay kay app jo namaz ada ker rahee hain us ki rakat main sortoon ki terteeb rakhna ager app ko woh terteeb say yadd hoon .. ya na ho kay jo sorrath qurane terteeb main pehlay hay us ko bad main or jo bad main hay us ko pehlay .....mainy apnee poree koshish ki hay kay app ko samjha sakoon ..opper tafseelan refrences kays ath mainy maslay bayan keye hain ... phir bhi koi bat ager na samjha ye to app dobara pooch saktee hain Rukh ! Edited July 30, 2004 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**LaLa_1** 0 Posted July 31, 2004 Assalamaoalikum!!!! sub sey pehle tou aap ka bohot bohot shukria k aap ne mujhe references k zarye baat samjhanay kee koshish kee. FARZ NAMAZO MAIN KAYEE SURATEIN MILA KER PERHNA ................................................ main ne bhee farz namaz main kayee suraton ko mila ker perhney k barey main ek ALIM ka Hawala diya k oonho ne oosey Khilaf-e-Ola kaha hai yani k agar kayee suraton ko mila ker perh liya tou namaz tou ho jayegee lekin oos k Sawab main kami ka andesha hai ....aap ne Fatawa Darul Uloom sey is masley ko bayan ker k mera shak door ker diya ..... [aur 2 SUrato k jama kerne ka Farz namaz main jahan tak taluq hai tou oos k liye masla ye hai k in ko agar mila liya jaye tou koi herj nahi hai matlab ye k agar ek he rakaat main Sura-e-Ikhlaas aur Surah-e-Falak perh lee tou bilittifaaq namaz tou ho jayegee albatta sawab main kami hojayegee (WALLAHOOALAM) is ka mujhe abhee tak proof nahi mila k waqi main aisa he hai , main ne sirf ek ALIM sey suna hai......... agar aap ko is barey main koi Hadis ya Kisi Fika kee Kitaab ] NAMAZ MAIN SURAH KEE TARTEEB ............................ is hawaley sey guzaarish ye hai k main ne ab tak jahan jahan perha hai aur jis jis sey suna hai tou oon ka kehna yahee hai k choonkey namaz main surat ko bila tarteeb k perhna makrooh-e-tehremee hai aur Makrooh-e- tehremee Haram k qareeb ho jata hai tou isi liye is ko Ulama ne lazim qarar diya k Namaz main surato ko tarteeb k saaath perha jaye....makrooh hai jabhee tou Ulama ne isey lazim qarar diya ...agar sirf makrooh-e-tanzeehee hota tou shayad Ulama isey lazim qarar na detey.. aur jis kisi ko Surato kee tarteeb yaad nahi hai oos k liye hukam hai k woh Surah-e- Ikhlaas perhey her rakaat main , lekin Surato kee tarteeb ko bhee yaad kerne kee koshish kerta rahay....AAP NE EK JAGA ISEY MAKROOH-E- TEHREMEE KAHA AUR DOOSRI JAGA AAP ISEY SIRF KHILAF-E-OLA KA DERJA DEY RAHEE HAIN?? tou oos k liye guzarish ye hai k MAKROOH-e-TEHREMI AUR KHILAF-E- OLA MAIN KAFI FERQ HAI KHILAF-E- OLA ( yaad rahay k KHILAAF-e-Ola ko aap makrooh-e-tanzeehi keh saktey hain lekin MAKROOH-e-TEHREEMI NAHI) SEY SIRF SAWAB MAIN KAMI HOJATEE HAI AUR MAKROOH-E-TEHREMEE CHOONKEY HARAM K QAREEB QAREEB HAI IS LIYE PAKER KA ANDESHA HAI........aur main kisi per bhee apni taraf sey ye fatwa nahi laga sakta k jo log namaz main surato ko tarteeb k saath nahi perh rahay oon kee namaz he nahi hotee.....oon kee namazo ko qubool kerna ya na kerna ALLAH RABBUL IZZAT k haath main hai ..humain koi haq nahi hai k hum kisi kee namaz ko ghalat qarar dey dein...... woh namaz perhtey tou hain na ...... lekin oon sey bhee guzaarish ye hai k jahan woh itnay sarey dunyawee kamo k liye waqt nikaal letey hain bal k sara time he dunyawee kamo main sarf ker detey hain tou kuch waqt ALLAH k DEEN ko bhee seekhney k liye laga lein.......... isi main dunya-o-aakhirat kee falah hai ALLAH RABBUL IZZAT HUMARI SAHI REHNUMAYEE FERMAYE aur humain poorey DEEN per chalnay kee tofiq ata fermaye ...........AAMEEN..... hope k is tarah k behso mubahis yahan aur bhee hotey rahengey !!! kion k irshaad hota hai jis ka mafhoom hai k ALLAH RABBUL IZZAT jub kisi k saaath bhalai ka irada fermatey hain tou oosey DEEN kee samajh ata fermatey hain.......tou umeed hai k is tarah k behso mubahis sey yahan humari rehnumai bhee hotee raheygee aur DEEN kee samajh bhee humain hasil ho ker humarey ILM main izafa hota rahey ga THANKS ALOT RUKH ..................... ALLAH HAFIZ!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4season 0 Posted July 31, 2004 salam,lala, aap ka ka aik poorana jawab ..jis main shayed aap nay cute rania ko suran k bare main btyaa hai ....oos main aap ne ye btanay main shayad bhool ker dee hai ya main ne sahi perha .....tau baat der asul ye hai k ...AAYAT UL KURSEE....namaz main iss liye nahi perhnee chahiye kyunk ye khood aik aayat hai aur quran ki sub se lambee aayat hai ...tau iss liye surah fathya k saath 3 aayat walee surah milana lazmee hai ...iss laiye AAYAT UL KURSEE....3 aayat per mabnee nahi hai ...lahaza iss liye AATAY UL KURSEE....namaz main iss liye nahi per sakte.....i hope u understand ..agr koi kotahi hoviho ...tau mazarat. wasalam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**LaLa_1** 0 Posted July 31, 2004 ASSALAMOALIKUM 4 season!!!! main tasheeh ker doon aap kee k namaz main AAYATUL KURSII K perhney main koi herj nahi hai .......... aap sey kis ne kaha k namaz main sirf SURAH-e- Fatiha k baad 3 aayatein perhna zaroori hain??? bhai poora masla ye hai k SURAH FATIHA K baad kam sey kam 1 lambee aayat ,jaisa k AAYATUL KURSI hai ya phir 3 choti aayah ka perhna laazim hai ...............is sey ziadah tou perh saktey hain lekin kam nahi perh saktey..................ok?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4season 0 Posted August 1, 2004 SALAM CUTERANIA, arz ye hai aap kisi uljhan main na perhain .....simple see baat jo k comoo sense kee hai ..Ahadith main kuch masaail insaan ki samjh main nahi aatay...main khood masaail imam saab se zabani yani (orally) poochta hoon aur seekhta rehta hoon..... aurat ki namaz mardon se different hai. aurat ko chahiye k namaz main seemtha jaye yani seemat k perhne chahuye. aurat ko chahiye k namaz kisi aisee jaga perhay k wahan wo aikelee ho yani k different room main,overall namaz ko perday main ada kare. apnay ghar walon k ilawa kisi k samnay namaz na perhhain behtar ye hi hai. kapray patlay nahi honay chahiye. doopta se namaz na perhain,koi baree chader honee chahiye. i hope k app ne understand kia hoga......ye saree baten Ahadith main hain lekin oon ki summary hai ...tafseel main jana insaan k liye mushkil ho jata hai aur phir insaan kehta hai k islam per chulna mushkil hai. Allah Hafiz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4season 0 Posted August 1, 2004 Salam Lala, aap ya tau mujhe Ah le Ahdith lagten hain ya kisi aur feerqay se. aap baqaida pooch sakten hain k , "NAMAZ MAIN SURAH FATHIYA K BAAD 3 AAYATON WALEE SURAH PERHNEE LAZMEE HAI,3 AAYATON SE CHOTEE NAHI HONEE CHAHIYE LEKIN 3 AAYATON SE LAMBEE PERH SAKTE HAIN,YE NAMAZ K FARAIZ MAIN SHAMIL HAI", aur reh gai baat aayat ul kursee kee tau woh main doobara confirm ker leta hoon.. Allah Hafiz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**LaLa_1** 0 Posted August 1, 2004 ASSALAMOALIKUM and walikumossalam 4season...... dekhein bhai main ne ab tak jitney bhee masley bataye hain woh main ne kisi MAKHSOOS firqey sey taluq kee bina per nahi bataye.................. aap apni tashih fermayein...............main ne pichlee reply main bhee kaha thaa k namaz main SURAH-e-Fatiha k baad KAM SEY KAM 3 aayaton ya ek LAMBEE AAYAT KA MILANA LAZIM HAI.......OOS MAIN YE SOORAT NAHI HAI K LAZMI TOR PER 3 AAYATO WALI SOORAT KO HE MILAYA JAYE :( .....ZAROORI NAHI HAI YE......AAP QURAN MAJEED MAIN SEY KAHEEN SEY BHEE KAM SEY KAM 3 AAYATEIN YA EK LAMBEE AAYAT KO MILA KER PERHEIN TOU NAMAZ HOJAYEGEE.................. AAP KA YE KEHNA HERGIZ DRUST NAHI K MAIN AHL-E-HADIS HOON........ HER MUSALMAN HE AHL-E-HADIS HOTA HAI................. AUR MAIN IN FIRQO PER BELIEVE NAHI KERTA ........ BAS JO BAAT QURAN -O-HADIS SEY SAABIT HO OOSI PER CHALNEY KEE KOSHISH KERTA HOON.................. ANYWAY AAP NE SAHI KAHA K HUMAIN DIRECT YA TOU MASLA KHOOD KISI KITAAB MAIN DEKHNA CHAHIYE YA KISI MUSTANAD AALIM SEY POOCHNA CHAHIYE................OK ALLAH HAFIZ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**LaLa_1** 0 Posted August 1, 2004 ASSALAMOALIKUM ALL!!!!!! MERA KHIYAAL HAI K YE MASAAIL KEE DISCUSSION HUMAIN NAHI KERNEE CHAHIYE KION K HUM AAM SEY MUSALMAAN HAIN ........... AUR HUMAIN GENERAL BAATEIN YAHAN BATANEE CHAHIYEN.................... KION K HUM MUSALMAANO KEE ZAWAL KA SUB SEY BARA SABAB YAHEE HAI K HUM NE APNAY AAP KO KAYEE FIRQO MAIN BAANT LIYA HAI................... SO MAIN REQUEST KAROONGA SUB SEY K YAHAN IN MASAIL KO NA POOCHEIN TOU BEHTER HAI ...........................................................HUM AAM SEY MUSALMAAN HAIN AUR HUMAIN AGAR KOI MASLA HO TOU HUMAIN BOOKS SEY DEKHNA CHAHIYE YA PHIR ULAMA SEY OOS KO POOCHNA CHAHIYE................................... IN IKHTILAAFI MASAIL NE HUM MUSALMAANO KO PEHLE HE ITNA ZALEEL O KHOOWAR KER DIYA HAI....................AUR HUM IN CHOTI CHOTI BAATON KO LEKER EK DOOSREY K PEECHAY DANDEY LE KER PAREY HOOWEY HAIN :( ....... HAALAAN K JIN ULAMA NE YE FIQAH HUMARI REHNUMAI K LIYE BANAYEE THEE OON KA TOU AAPUS MAIN KOI IKHTILAAF NAHI THAA ................ TOU HUM KION IN CHOTI CHOTI BAATON KO LEY KER EK DOOSREY K PEECHAY PER K EK DOOSREY KO GHALAT SABIT KERNE KEE KOSHIS KAREIN.....................ANYWAY.........................................ALLAH HAFIZ..........AND ONCE AGAIN I WILL SAY K PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE IN MASAAIL KO YAHAN DISCUSS NA KAREIN KION K IS MAIN GUMRAHI KA ANDESHA HAI .....................ALLAH RABBUL IZZAT HUMAREY HAAL PER REHEM FERMAYE AUR HUMAIN DEEN PER CHALNEY KEE TOFIQ ATA FERMAYE ...............AAMEEN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rosh 0 Posted August 3, 2004 aik bat main yahan kahon kay insan ko Allah nay khud bhi aqal say nawaza hai kal cute rania kay question perhay aur main nay bad main khud kai books say namaz kay sahi tareekay aur suraton kay perhnay kay baray main perha sub kuch takreeban wahi hai jo app subnay yahan bayan kiya hai behas per mazeed behas aur dalayal denay say lagta hai koi faida nahi isliya aap khud ahadees aur quran ka tarjuma perhay ulma fukaha say maloomat lain aur jahan app ka dil mutmain ho wo karain.yahan na kise per kise firqay say taluk ka ilzam lagay is say dil main bohat se ghalat fehmiyan paida hoti hain.main nay khud ahl-e-hadees say quran ki translation perhi hai mere sis nay dew bandi kay madrasay say hifz kiya hai humnay kabhi is bat ka notice nahi liya kon kiya hai bus aik bat pata hai sub musalman hai baz dafa mere sis say behas hojati hai jub wo yeh kehti hai kay hum dew bandi hain ya falan falan hain mera yahi jawab hota hai hum bus musalman hain balk mujhay to in firkon kay fark ka bhi ziada pata nahi isliya jub koi aik musalman dosray musalman per ilzam dalta hai ya bura bhala kehta hai to dukh hota hai hai kay aisa nahi hona chahiya.isliya koshish karain koi kise ko kuch na kaho bus yahi bat khatam kardo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute rania 0 Posted August 3, 2004 A.o.A to all :hi: yahan tou kafi lambi behas chal pari...achi baat hai..baz dafa behas k nataij bohat achay nikaltay hayn or phir iss se kafi info bhi milti hai...yahan rosh ne sahiih baat ki ..mayn manti hoon....but abhi tak koyee kisi sahih nateejay pe nahin pohancha..hr aik ka apna apna pont of view hai jis se confusion mazeed barh rahi hai....iss ki ending pata nahin kia ho gi....mujhay kuch samajh nahin aa rahi kia kahoon... :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted August 3, 2004 Asalamu alikum Rania > app ko preshan honay ki bilkul zaroorat nahi ... app nay jo maslay poochay thay un ka hal app kay samnay hay ... haan yeh bat sahee hay her member ka jawab dosray say mukhtalif hay ..or yeh to hona hay ...lakin app is bat per aitmana rakhain in main say jis kay bhi tareeqay per ammal pera hoon gee app ki nmaz ho jaye gee.. main hamesha is forum main aik he bat kehtee hoon ... yahan app post zaroor kerain koi masla ho zaroor poochain .. lakin is ki tehqeeq kisi Alim say he kerain .. jaysay koi baymar ho to jitnay log hoon gay utnee remedies us ko battain gay ..lakin qabl-e-aitbar bat wohe ho ge jo app ko doctor suggest keray ga mainy yahan app ko koi bhi masla batya us say pehlay 3 ulma say baqaida poora masla pooch ker yahan batya or bake members nay bhi jo post keen unhoon nay bhi kahen na kaheen say ilm seekh ker hee ap ko samjhaya hay lakin ye zaroor hay kay app jin Ulma say apnay masail discuss kerte hain ya jin per ap ka aitmad hay app un say hee pooch ker ammal kerain ..takay app ka dil or ammal mutmain rahay ! behus mubahisa ache cheez hay lakin us waqt jub log aik dosray say seekhnay ki neyat say kerain ..ager neyat yeh ho kay her hal main hum nay apni bat hee sahee kerwane hay to phir woh la hasil hay ! berhal yahan her member nay pooray khaloos say app kay maslay ko sunna or jitna ilm jis kay pass tha app ko batanay ki koshish ki .. lakin is kay bawjood deen-e-masail main ahtyat ki zaroorat hay ....is ley kissi Alim-e-deen say bhi zaroor poochain .. yehe munasab or behtreen hay ! Allah hum sub ko deeen ka ilm seekhnay or sikhanay waloonmain say banyee ameen ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rosh 0 Posted August 6, 2004 cute rania abhi tak agar app confuse ho to aap ko bataya jis per app ka dil mutmain rahay wahi karo agar namaz kay tareekay kay baray main abhi tak samajh nahi aye to app kabhi aik ya kabhi dosray tareekay say namaz perho qabool karnay wala to Allah hai neeyat khalis ho to Allah qabool karta hai aur agar namaz main ayat perhnay ka masla hai to quran pak main aik ayat hai "aur perho quran main say jo tumhay mayassar asakay" zehan ko mazeed mat uljhao jis tareekay per dil mutmain ho wahi karo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
