Ibadat 2 Posted May 18, 2005 Assalmualaikum, hop u all will be fine, kafii arey se aik baat zehan main thi jis ko main har kisi par clear karne ki koshish kar rahi hoon lekin koi samjhta nhai soocha aaj yahan samjhane ki try kartii hon shayed yahan koi samajh jain, hmm loog samjhtey hian,sorry tu say lekin yahan meri murad BE DEEN LOOG hain, ye loog samjhtey hain ke Parda or burkha pehanney waliyan aik barabar hotii hain, Pardey ki baat karoo tu ye objections dena start kar detey hain ke dekho us ko falan parda kartii hian or larkoon se us ki dostii hain, Falan....burkha urthii hain parda kartii thi lekin bhag gaii larkey ke sath ghar se ... Kfc main ja kar dekhoo tu burkhey waliyan hi ziyada hotii hian dates par, Cvu par kar ja kar dekhoo tu sariiiii burkhey waliyan hi nazar aaiye gain..wager wagera...is tarah ke seenkaroon objections main ne pardey par sunney... or agey ye bhi kaha jatey hain ke un Pardey waliyoon se tu hamari betiyan acchi hain jo burkha nahi urtii tu kiya howa lekin ...esii weseii harkatain tu nahi karti, tu yahan jo baat or jo point main samjhana cahati hon wo ye hain ke plizz burkhey waliyan or pardaey waliyn ye do alag alag cheezain hain.. burkhey se hi parda hota hain lekin is ka matlaab ye nahi hain ke har burkhey wali pardey wali bhi hotii hoo, Parda kabhii bhi zabardastii se nahi karwaya ja sakta jab ke burkha zabardastii urthwaya jata hain larkiyon ko ...unki fathers or bhaiyoon ki taraf se......... kehne ke maqsad sirf yahi hai ke burkhey waliyan esa kartii hain, main ne mana, persanally main kud kafiiyoon ko jantii hon jo burkha letii hain or un ke affairs hai, lekin Kudara un main or hum Pardey waliyoon main Zameen asman ka farq hain.. gali detey howey.. or izzat uchaltey hoey ye soocha zaroor kariey ke burkha urh ne wlaiyan parda nahi karti.......Pardey waliyon ko badnam na kariey pliz, Akhir ko aap bhi Musalman hain , or ye hamara apna nahi Islam ka hukum hain parda ., nahi karna aap ne tu ye aap ka or Allah ka mamla hain lekin aap ko kisi ne Pardey walaiyon ko ganda karne ka haq aap ko kisi ne nahi dia hian, Pliz Mind It ! Sorry if any one mind, Wasalam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**LaLa_1** 0 Posted May 20, 2005 Assalamoalikum and walikumossalam............ bilkul theek kaha k logo ko koi haq nahi kisi ko ghalat kehney ka........Perdah kerney wali or Perdah na kerney waali barabar kaisey ho sakti hai.....agar chey dekha gaya hai baaz dafa perda kerney waalian bhi ghalat kerti hain lekin is ka ye matlab nahi k sub ko bura kehna shuroo ker dey..............Perda kerna ALlah ka hukum hai or agar koi is Hukum ko poora ker rahi hai or jo nahi ker rahi tou wo barabar nahi ho sakti............chalo agar wo perda ker k kuch ghalat ker rahi hai tou oos ne Allah k hukum ko tou poora kia hua hai na??....oos ko perdah na kerney ka gunaah tou nahi mil raha !!! or jo perdah na ker k ghalat kerti hai tou oosey is perdah kerney waali sey 2 guna ziadah gunaah milay ga .coz ek tou oos ne is ALlah kk hukum ko tora hua hai or ooper sey ek or ghalat kaam........ Perdah na ker k ghar sey bahar janay waali k baarey main ek hadis ka mfhoom hai k " Jab tak ye Orat ghar waapas aaker Ghusal na ker ley tou is ki namaaz bhi nahi hoti" yani k agar koi orat parda kiye baghair ghar sey nikalti hai tou napaak ho jaati hai ...............dekhiye kitnay sakht alfaaz Hadis main bayan kiye gaye hain.................oos k bawajood bhi agar koi na samjhay tou oos ki halaakat main koi shuba nahi..................yaqeeni tor per oon logo per ALlah ki Lanat hogi..................... Allah Pak samajhnay ki or is per amal ki tofiq ata fermaye ........AAMEEN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abeera 0 Posted May 20, 2005 Perdah na ker k ghar sey bahar janay waali k baarey main ek hadis ka mfhoom hai k " Jab tak ye Orat ghar waapas aaker Ghusal na ker ley tou is ki namaaz bhi nahi hoti" yani k agar koi orat parda kiye baghair ghar sey nikalti hai tou napaak ho jaati hai ............... hmm Farhan can u tell me plz? FRM WHERE U GOT DIS HADEES..?????? As i havn;t heard n read dis HADEES b4 ...so i was really astonished when i read it here..... Tell me 1 more thing? .WHT DO U MEAN BY MAFHOOM???I DIDN;T GET IT PROPERLY. IS IT AN ACTUAL HADEES AS A REFERENCE REG PARDHA?.......OR U ;VE MENTIONED SUMTHING LIKE CENTRAL IDEA OF DIS HADEES.... M VERY MUCH CONFUSED N EAGER TO KNOW ABT IT.. PLZ LET ME KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE........... ABEERA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raiha 0 Posted May 21, 2005 Assalmualaikum,hop u all will be fine, kafii arey se aik baat zehan main thi jis ko main har kisi par clear karne ki koshish kar rahi hoon lekin koi samjhta nhai soocha aaj yahan samjhane ki try kartii hon shayed yahan koi samajh jain, hmm loog samjhtey hian,sorry tu say lekin yahan meri murad BE DEEN LOOG hain, ye loog samjhtey hain ke Parda or burkha pehanney waliyan aik barabar hotii hain, Pardey ki baat karoo tu ye objections dena start kar detey hain ke dekho us ko falan parda kartii hian or larkoon se us ki dostii hain, Falan....burkha urthii hain parda kartii thi lekin bhag gaii larkey ke sath ghar se ... Kfc main ja kar dekhoo tu burkhey waliyan hi ziyada hotii hian dates par, Cvu par kar ja kar dekhoo tu sariiiii burkhey waliyan hi nazar aaiye gain..wager wagera...is tarah ke seenkaroon objections main ne pardey par sunney... or agey ye bhi kaha jatey hain ke un Pardey waliyoon se tu hamari betiyan acchi hain jo burkha nahi urtii tu kiya howa lekin ...esii weseii harkatain tu nahi karti, tu yahan jo baat or jo point main samjhana cahati hon wo ye hain ke plizz burkhey waliyan or pardaey waliyn ye do alag alag cheezain hain.. burkhey se hi parda hota hain lekin is ka matlaab ye nahi hain ke har burkhey wali pardey wali bhi hotii hoo, Parda kabhii bhi zabardastii se nahi karwaya ja sakta jab ke burkha zabardastii urthwaya jata hain larkiyon ko ...unki fathers or bhaiyoon ki taraf se......... kehne ke maqsad sirf yahi hai ke burkhey waliyan esa kartii hain, main ne mana, persanally main kud kafiiyoon ko jantii hon jo burkha letii hain or un ke affairs hai, lekin Kudara un main or hum Pardey waliyoon main Zameen asman ka farq hain.. gali detey howey.. or izzat uchaltey hoey ye soocha zaroor kariey ke burkha urh ne wlaiyan parda nahi karti.......Pardey waliyon ko badnam na kariey pliz, Akhir ko aap bhi Musalman hain , or ye hamara apna nahi Islam ka hukum hain parda ., nahi karna aap ne tu ye aap ka or Allah ka mamla hain lekin aap ko kisi ne Pardey walaiyon ko ganda karne ka haq aap ko kisi ne nahi dia hian, Pliz Mind It ! Sorry if any one mind, Wasalam app nai bilkul sahi kaha hai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted May 21, 2005 Assalamoalikum and walikumossalam............bilkul theek kaha k logo ko koi haq nahi kisi ko ghalat kehney ka........Perdah kerney wali or Perdah na kerney waali barabar kaisey ho sakti hai.....agar chey dekha gaya hai baaz dafa perda kerney waalian bhi ghalat kerti hain lekin is ka ye matlab nahi k sub ko bura kehna shuroo ker dey..............Perda kerna ALlah ka hukum hai or agar koi is Hukum ko poora ker rahi hai or jo nahi ker rahi tou wo barabar nahi ho sakti............chalo agar wo perda ker k kuch ghalat ker rahi hai tou oos ne Allah k hukum ko tou poora kia hua hai na??....oos ko perdah na kerney ka gunaah tou nahi mil raha !!! or jo perdah na ker k ghalat kerti hai tou oosey is perdah kerney waali sey 2 guna ziadah gunaah milay ga .coz ek tou oos ne is ALlah kk hukum ko tora hua hai or ooper sey ek or ghalat kaam........ Perdah na ker k ghar sey bahar janay waali k baarey main ek hadis ka mfhoom hai k " Jab tak ye Orat ghar waapas aaker Ghusal na ker ley tou is ki namaaz bhi nahi hoti" yani k agar koi orat parda kiye baghair ghar sey nikalti hai tou napaak ho jaati hai ...............dekhiye kitnay sakht alfaaz Hadis main bayan kiye gaye hain.................oos k bawajood bhi agar koi na samjhay tou oos ki halaakat main koi shuba nahi..................yaqeeni tor per oon logo per ALlah ki Lanat hogi..................... Allah Pak samajhnay ki or is per amal ki tofiq ata fermaye ........AAMEEN g sahee kaha actually loogon ko buss Allah ke hukum kar agey apni baat karnii hain tu us ka galat kehene ke liye Pardey waliyoon ko ganda karna in ka awaleeen faraiz main shumar ho ta hain jabkey bagere pardey waliyan kia Gul kheelati hain ye duniye main sab ko maloom hain..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted May 21, 2005 ABEERA : jab kisi ko Exact HAdees yaad nahi hotii , tu wo wo wo HADEESH apne lafzoon main bayan kar deta hian or likh detea hian ke ye MAFHOOM main matlab word to word Hadees yaad nahi hain mujhy RAHIA : Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qaasim 0 Posted May 21, 2005 :o Perdah na ker k ghar sey bahar janay waali k baarey main ek hadis ka mfhoom hai k " Jab tak ye Orat ghar waapas aaker Ghusal na ker ley tou is ki namaaz bhi nahi hoti" I have very limited Knowledge in this regard but i have never come across such Hadees, so lala yara POST THE exact hadis here and not its "mafhoom" Abeera --> Mafhoom means the meaning of hadis in simple words. Ibadat ---> can u clear one thing If someone doesn't know the hadis exactly then h can u gives its mahfoom, bz to give the mahfoom u need to know the person who narrated and the exact hadis word to word??? ONE REQUEST TO ALL when a person doesn't know hadis exactly plzzzzzzzz don't give ur own mahfoom's bz we r not educated enough(in islamic affairs) to do tht sorry if i said anything wrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted May 22, 2005 (edited) Asslamu alikum jazakmullaho khaira wa ahsan ul jaza bohat achay maslay per app nay post kia ibadat behrhal jo log perday kay khilaf boltay hain or reason yeh fazooliyat daitay hain yeh asalmain un kay dil ka chor hota hay ..or shytan un say yeh sub kehlwata or un kay dil ko thapkiyan daita hay kay tum sahee ho yeh ghalat hain yeh to hum sub jantay hain koi shaks baghir wazoo kay namaz perhay chahay woh sare rat bhi namaz perhta rahay us ki namaz na ho ge kay woh Nafs peraste ker raha hay Allah ka hukam nahi man raha jo log perday ko apnay ghalat matlub main istimal kertay hain woh Allah ka hukam man ker perda nahi kertay bulkay nafs pasrtee kertay hain Allah ka hukam to jub say nazil hoa azal to atal hay chahay us per koi ammal keray ya na keray woh hukam mojood rahay ga .. ager her insan sirf yeh soochay kay yeh Hukam kis ka hay or is per ammal say kis ko faida hay to us kay zyahan main kabhi yeh ghalat khiyalat na aain gay jo ghalat kertay hain un ka gunah un ko hay na app us kay ammal kay zimay dar hain na us kay is ghalat ammal say app per perday ka hukam hatay ga bayperda awarat kay ley ahdees main bohat saree Waeed ayee hain ... mafhoome Hadees hai perdadar awrat jub zaroorat kay teyhat gher say niklay to us kay sath rehmat kay faristay hotay hain or aik bayperda awrat jub gher say nikalte to jub ttuk woh apnay gher wapus nahi ajatee farishtay us per Lannat bhejtay rehtay hain bakee duniya main bhi to her field main achay buray log hain kia logon nay woh chor deen ? kitnay doctoers ghalat amaml main mubtala hain to logon nay doctor banna chor dya ya ilaj karana ? kitnay teacher bachoon ko gumrah kertay hain logon nay school jana chora dya ya teacher banna tv per kitnay ganday prograam atay hain to tv banna band ho gya ya logon nay tv dekhna chor diya? app duniya kay mamloom main to yeh sub kertay hain ..lakin Deen ki jahan bat aye wahan kion hum dosroon kay ammal ko bunyad bana ker Allah kay hukam say munker honay ki koshish kertay hain? or perda sirf scarfsay sir baloon ko dhanp laina nahi hay woh app sirf apnay dil ko behlatay ho PErda wohee hay chehra[face] hath paoon kapray sub ko chupana ...app nay kis colour kay kapray pehnay hain yeh bhi nazar na ayee ! or is per Quran ki saaf ayat hay jis ka mafhom hay apni Zeenat ko chupaoo..or lafz ZEEnat main yeh sub ata hay koi aqal mand insan yeh nahi keh sakta is main yeh shmil nahi ! ibadat wohe hotee hay jo usee tareqay say kee jayay jaisai hukam hay apnee marze kernee hay to woh nafs parste to ho sakte hay ibadat nahi Qaasim > hadees ka exact word yad na hoon lakin us ka mafhoom yad ho to app bata saktay hain sirf itna maloom hona zaroore hay kay hadees Mustand hay ya nahi .. haan app yeh keh saktay hain kay kisi hadees ki tafseer us waqt tuk bayan na kerain jub tuk kissi Alim say na pooch lain ...mafhoom say murad yeh hota kay kissi bat ko is terah agay pohchana kay us kay mutlub ya meaning main ferq na aya agercha alfaz wohe na hoon ...or Tafseer ka multub yeh hota hay kay us khaber ya hadees ka maqsad kia hay or us say kia ahkmat nikal rahay hain yahan app keh saktay hain kay jo HADEES ka ilm nahi rakhtay woh na batain ..bake main is baray main kissi Alim say mazeed tehqeeqe ker kay bataoon gee .. bakee Lala behter hay kay is hadees kay rawi ya jis kitab main hay us ka bata dain takay jo shubhat hain woh door ho jain Edited May 22, 2005 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
babarleo 0 Posted May 23, 2005 Asalam-o-alikum, Umeed kerta hoon kay app sub Ba'fazle' Allah Khush aur khariyat say hoon gay. Kafi din baad Coolyar per aya,. Topic acha tha soocha appnay khaylat ka izhar bhi ker doon! Baat jahan say shuroo kerta hoon khutum bhi wahin hoti hai, " amaloo ka daroomadar niyatoon say hain + aur saleh niyat EMAN say hai." Chahy tu meray bahi hoon yan app behnay humay kisi aur ko murade'-ilzam tehranay say pehlay appnay app per aik gehri nigah kerni hoo gi. Goo kay Halat aur waqiat qiyamat ki nishanian zahir ker rahay hain.. Duniya ajj phir inthai aloom honay kay bawajood Iklaki pastiyoon main hai. Is ki buhat sari wajohat hai Sub say beri yeah kay hum nay uswae'hasana per ammal ker tark kerdiya hai aur duniya ki muhabbat ghalib aa gai hai. Nabi'e kareem sallah-o-alahi wasal ki talimat ko faramosh ker bhitay hain.. Aqeeda aur eeman kamzoor hoo gay hain,. Rasta sirf aik hai ju barhaq hai us ko choor ker ager hum appni yan kisi ki islah ka sochain tu mumkin nahi. Kerna mujhay aur app ko sirf yeah hai ( ajj phir duhra raha hoon) who hai Emman ko mazboot kerna..! Who sirf akli dalil aur bayragbat amal say nahi hoo ga bulkay us kay liya humain sura ASSR ki roshni main amal kerna hoo ga, 1) Naik amal, (ju eeman ki taqat say khali hai) 2) Haq baat ki talqeen appas main ( yeh rawaish hum nay kareeb choor di) 3) Sabbar (ajj nayab hai) Kehnay ko aur buhat kuch hai mager main app loogon ko boor nahi kerna chahta.. aik baat aur kay hum Insan hai aur insan say hi larsish hoti hai is liya khud appni aur dusroon ki islah main tundahi say lug jain. Continue karoon ga Aggli nishist main. Inshallah.! Wasal-o-alikum, Khakhsar, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qaasim 0 Posted May 24, 2005 Asslamu alikum jazakmullaho khaira wa ahsan ul jaza bohat achay maslay per app nay post kia ibadat behrhal jo log perday kay khilaf boltay hain or reason yeh fazooliyat daitay hain yeh asalmain un kay dil ka chor hota hay ..or shytan un say yeh sub kehlwata or un kay dil ko thapkiyan daita hay kay tum sahee ho yeh ghalat hain yeh to hum sub jantay hain koi shaks baghir wazoo kay namaz perhay chahay woh sare rat bhi namaz perhta rahay us ki namaz na ho ge kay woh Nafs peraste ker raha hay Allah ka hukam nahi man raha jo log perday ko apnay ghalat matlub main istimal kertay hain woh Allah ka hukam man ker perda nahi kertay bulkay nafs pasrtee kertay hain Allah ka hukam to jub say nazil hoa azal to atal hay chahay us per koi ammal keray ya na keray woh hukam mojood rahay ga .. ager her insan sirf yeh soochay kay yeh Hukam kis ka hay or is per ammal say kis ko faida hay to us kay zyahan main kabhi yeh ghalat khiyalat na aain gay jo ghalat kertay hain un ka gunah un ko hay na app us kay ammal kay zimay dar hain na us kay is ghalat ammal say app per perday ka hukam hatay ga bayperda awarat kay ley ahdees main bohat saree Waeed ayee hain ... mafhoome Hadees hai  perdadar awrat jub zaroorat kay teyhat gher say niklay to us kay sath rehmat kay faristay hotay hain or aik bayperda awrat jub gher say nikalte to jub ttuk woh apnay gher wapus nahi ajatee farishtay us per Lannat bhejtay rehtay hain bakee duniya main bhi to her field main achay buray log hain kia logon nay woh chor deen ? kitnay doctoers ghalat amaml main mubtala hain to logon nay doctor banna chor dya ya ilaj karana ? kitnay teacher bachoon ko gumrah kertay hain logon nay school jana chora dya ya teacher banna tv per kitnay ganday prograam atay hain to tv banna band ho gya ya logon nay tv dekhna chor diya? app duniya kay mamloom main to yeh sub kertay hain ..lakin Deen ki jahan bat aye wahan kion hum dosroon kay ammal ko bunyad bana ker Allah kay hukam say munker honay ki koshish kertay hain? or perda sirf scarfsay sir baloon ko dhanp laina nahi hay woh app sirf apnay dil ko behlatay ho PErda wohee hay chehra[face] hath paoon kapray sub ko chupana ...app nay kis colour kay kapray pehnay hain yeh bhi nazar na ayee ! or is per Quran ki saaf ayat hay jis ka mafhom hay apni Zeenat ko chupaoo..or lafz ZEEnat main yeh sub ata hay koi aqal mand insan yeh nahi keh sakta is main yeh shmil nahi ! ibadat wohe hotee hay jo usee tareqay say kee jayay jaisai hukam hay apnee marze kernee hay to woh nafs parste to ho sakte hay ibadat nahi Qaasim > hadees ka exact word yad na hoon lakin us ka mafhoom yad ho to app bata saktay hain sirf itna maloom hona zaroore hay kay hadees Mustand hay ya nahi .. haan app yeh keh saktay hain kay kisi hadees ki tafseer us waqt tuk bayan na kerain jub tuk kissi Alim say na pooch lain ...mafhoom say murad yeh hota kay kissi bat ko is terah agay pohchana kay us kay mutlub ya meaning main ferq na aya agercha alfaz wohe na hoon ...or Tafseer ka multub yeh hota hay kay us khaber ya hadees ka maqsad kia hay or us say kia ahkmat nikal rahay hain yahan app keh saktay hain kay jo HADEES ka ilm nahi rakhtay woh na batain ..bake main is baray main kissi Alim say mazeed tehqeeqe ker kay bataoon gee .. bakee Lala behter hay kay is hadees kay rawi ya jis kitab main hay us ka bata dain takay jo shubhat hain woh door ho jain Ya i am also waiting for lala to tell from where he got the hadis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted May 25, 2005 Asslamu alikum jazakmullaho khaira wa ahsan ul jaza bohat achay maslay per app nay post kia ibadat behrhal jo log perday kay khilaf boltay hain or reason yeh fazooliyat daitay hain yeh asalmain un kay dil ka chor hota hay ..or shytan un say yeh sub kehlwata or un kay dil ko thapkiyan daita hay kay tum sahee ho yeh ghalat hain yeh to hum sub jantay hain koi shaks baghir wazoo kay namaz perhay chahay woh sare rat bhi namaz perhta rahay us ki namaz na ho ge kay woh Nafs peraste ker raha hay Allah ka hukam nahi man raha jo log perday ko apnay ghalat matlub main istimal kertay hain woh Allah ka hukam man ker perda nahi kertay bulkay nafs pasrtee kertay hain Allah ka hukam to jub say nazil hoa azal to atal hay chahay us per koi ammal keray ya na keray woh hukam mojood rahay ga .. ager her insan sirf yeh soochay kay yeh Hukam kis ka hay or is per ammal say kis ko faida hay to us kay zyahan main kabhi yeh ghalat khiyalat na aain gay jo ghalat kertay hain un ka gunah un ko hay na app us kay ammal kay zimay dar hain na us kay is ghalat ammal say app per perday ka hukam hatay ga bayperda awarat kay ley ahdees main bohat saree Waeed ayee hain ... mafhoome Hadees hai  perdadar awrat jub zaroorat kay teyhat gher say niklay to us kay sath rehmat kay faristay hotay hain or aik bayperda awrat jub gher say nikalte to jub ttuk woh apnay gher wapus nahi ajatee farishtay us per Lannat bhejtay rehtay hain bakee duniya main bhi to her field main achay buray log hain kia logon nay woh chor deen ? kitnay doctoers ghalat amaml main mubtala hain to logon nay doctor banna chor dya ya ilaj karana ? kitnay teacher bachoon ko gumrah kertay hain logon nay school jana chora dya ya teacher banna tv per kitnay ganday prograam atay hain to tv banna band ho gya ya logon nay tv dekhna chor diya? app duniya kay mamloom main to yeh sub kertay hain ..lakin Deen ki jahan bat aye wahan kion hum dosroon kay ammal ko bunyad bana ker Allah kay hukam say munker honay ki koshish kertay hain? or perda sirf scarfsay sir baloon ko dhanp laina nahi hay woh app sirf apnay dil ko behlatay ho PErda wohee hay chehra[face] hath paoon kapray sub ko chupana ...app nay kis colour kay kapray pehnay hain yeh bhi nazar na ayee ! or is per Quran ki saaf ayat hay jis ka mafhom hay apni Zeenat ko chupaoo..or lafz ZEEnat main yeh sub ata hay koi aqal mand insan yeh nahi keh sakta is main yeh shmil nahi ! ibadat wohe hotee hay jo usee tareqay say kee jayay jaisai hukam hay apnee marze kernee hay to woh nafs parste to ho sakte hay ibadat nahi Qaasim > hadees ka exact word yad na hoon lakin us ka mafhoom yad ho to app bata saktay hain sirf itna maloom hona zaroore hay kay hadees Mustand hay ya nahi .. haan app yeh keh saktay hain kay kisi hadees ki tafseer us waqt tuk bayan na kerain jub tuk kissi Alim say na pooch lain ...mafhoom say murad yeh hota kay kissi bat ko is terah agay pohchana kay us kay mutlub ya meaning main ferq na aya agercha alfaz wohe na hoon ...or Tafseer ka multub yeh hota hay kay us khaber ya hadees ka maqsad kia hay or us say kia ahkmat nikal rahay hain yahan app keh saktay hain kay jo HADEES ka ilm nahi rakhtay woh na batain ..bake main is baray main kissi Alim say mazeed tehqeeqe ker kay bataoon gee .. bakee Lala behter hay kay is hadees kay rawi ya jis kitab main hay us ka bata dain takay jo shubhat hain woh door ho jain Walaikum as Salam, ah is ko kehtey hain MUFASIL JAWAB ... main esa hi kuch Expect kar rhai thi Aap se , Mufasil means Compelte na? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanum 0 Posted May 25, 2005 Ibadat>>> sahi kaha hamesha soch samajh k aur apna mohasba kar k kuch kehna chaheay aur hamari society ka yahi almiya hay k hum hamesha ek borey insan ki wajha se sab ko bora kehte hein maslan ager kabhi kisi cast ka koi bora mila tu hum yahi kehte hein k sab falan cast k log bore hotey hein baberleo>>> aab ki baki post ka intezar rahey ga Qaasim>>> U r right...we all r waiting 4 Lala rukh>>> mojhe esi baat/topic pe aap se bohat kuch pochna tha kiya main poch sakti hoon yahan ya koi aur topic start karoon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted May 26, 2005 ibadat > haan je mufasil ka yehe mutlub hay lakin mere post is jumlay kay qabil nahi ... toote photte koshsh thee bus sanum > haan jee bilkul app pooch saktee hain isee main pooch lain ya jis terha sahoolat ho ..lakin jawab main shaid dair ho jayee wajha meray exam hain jo din ba din meray qareeb ata jarahay hain bherhal INSHALLAH zindge or syahat nay sath dya to ALLAh ki tofeeq say jitnee madad ker sakee hazirr hoon ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanum 0 Posted May 26, 2005 thanx in advance baat kafi lumbi hogi es liye aap khariyat aur kamyabi k sath wapis aaein inshallah phir baat hogi aur haan best wishes aur dharoon duain imtihan k liye Allah kamyabi aata karay Ameen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**LaLa_1** 0 Posted May 27, 2005 (edited) Assalamoalikum Qaasim> Abeera> Sanum and the rest...... Ye Hadis main ne yahan ek Alim sey suni thee or bohot saarey log is baat k gawaah hain k oonhon ne wo hadis Jumma Tul Mubarak ki taqreer k douraan bayan ki .............or ab jaa ker main ne oon sey is baarey main poocha tou oonhon ne kaha k is tarah ki koi hadis nahi hai ...or phir yahan Jama Muhammadia k Darul Afta sey jaa ker is baarey main poocha tou oonhon ne bhi ye jawaab dia .............albatta oonhon ne ye bataya k agar koi Orat Fahaashi phailaanay k iraaday sey ghar sey nikley baghair perday k ....ya chahay oos ne perdah bhi kia ho or bahar nikel ker doosron ko dawat-e-nazara dey ...phir chahay wo kisi gunaah ki murtakib ho ya na ho , oos ko chahiye k Ghar waapas aa ker ghusal ker ley............ tou wazah hua k is qisam ki koi hadis nahi hai..........main aap sab sey mazrat chahta hoon k main ne baghair tasdeeq kiye isey yahan bayaan ker dia ........or Allah RAbbul Izzat sey bhi maafi ka talab gaar hoon.......or inshaAllah aaindah baghair tasdeeq kiye koi hadis yahan bayaan nahi keroon ga...is sey pehley bhi nahi ki lekin is dafa shayad Shaitaan ne hamla ker dia ..... bahar haal Perday k hawalay sey yahan kafi dafa baat hui hai ....aap wo posts check ker saktay hain ..........Allah hum sub per rehem fermaaye ...aameeen...... or kaafi der sey jawaab deney ki wajah ye hai k merey exams ho rahay hain jis ki wajah sey aaj kal kaafi masroofiyat hai...........umeed hai aap log maaf ker dein gey ......is k liye bhi ............. JazaKUMULLAH .......... Edited May 27, 2005 by **LaLa_1** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abeera 0 Posted May 27, 2005 WALIKUM ASSALAM FARHAN ..... HMM....... I ;VE READ UR COMMENTS REG DAT HADIS..SO PLZ NO NEED TO B SORRIES AT ALLZ. (AFTER ALLZ V R HUMAN BEING ). AS U CLEARIFY ALLZ N MAKES THIS CONFUSION CLEAN N CLEAR...... YEH NEXT TIME NOT U EVEN EVERY1 OF US ALWAZ HAS TO MENTION ANY HADIS HERE WID FULL OF ITS FACTS N REFERENCES (TASDEEQ..)... WELL 1 MORE THING I REALLY WANA APPRECIATE DAT U ACCEPT UR MISTAKE WIDOUT ANY HESITATION N DIS THING MAKES U MORE GUD AS U R ALREADY... WELL NODOUBT ABT IT U WERE DA ONLY 1 IN DA BEGINING WHO CAME IN DIS ISLAM SECTION N MADE IT BRIGHT...N U R A BEACON FOR ALL OF US..........I REALLY ADMIT I M LEARNING ALOT FRM THIS SECTION DAY BY DAY... SO HOPE U GUIDE N HELP US N ENHANCE OUR KNOWLEDGE BY GIVING GUD HADEES RELATED TO EACH N EVERY WAY OF LIFE..... TAKE CARE ABEERA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qaasim 0 Posted May 27, 2005 lala -------> i agree with Abeera and i would like to request the same :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted May 27, 2005 well Thanks un sab ke liye jinhu ne tasleef kia ke i m right yahi request hain ke pliz esehi na bol dia karey buhat takleef hotii hain esa kuch apne barey main sun kar jab ke is mian zara barabar bhi haqeeqat nahi hoo ... shukria once Again ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanum 0 Posted May 28, 2005 (edited) Lala bro mashallah Allah nay aap ko itni izat de hay k main tu aap ko bohat manti hoon aur aap ki ,Ibadat ki,rukh,Ariba ki her baat ko sahi manti hoon ye tu Abeera ne point out ki baat warna tu maybe main kuch kehti bhi nahi kuch time pehle mera isi behas ki wajha se yahan bara he bad experience raha hay :( es liye ab socha hay k aap kabhi bhi main khoud se ye baat start nahi karoon gi aur kisi baat pe etraz nahi karoon gi haan aap parday walli konsi post ka keh rahay hein...kiya wo link yahan paste kar saktay hein plz Edited May 28, 2005 by sanum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
**LaLa_1** 0 Posted May 29, 2005 (edited) Assalamoalikum haan aap parday walli konsi post ka keh rahay hein...kiya wo link yahan paste kar saktay hein plz http://www.coolyar.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=876 http://www.coolyar.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3904&st=0 http://www.coolyar.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3075 ye main ne oon topics k links post ker diye hain ...aap perh leejiyega and aap kuch bhi pooch sakti hain.......never hesitate to start any conversation over here......!aap k poochnay sey he humaaray Ilm main izafa hota hai or doosron ko bhi jaannay ka moqa milta hai! lala -------> i agree with Abeera and i would like to request the same AS U CLEARIFY ALLZ N MAKES THIS CONFUSION CLEAN N CLEAR......YEH NEXT TIME NOT U EVEN EVERY1 OF US ALWAZ HAS TO MENTION ANY HADIS HERE WID FULL OF ITS FACTS N REFERENCES (TASDEEQ..)... ABEERA and Qaasim>>> is sey pehley kabhi aisa nahi hua k main ne baghair tasdeeq kiye koi baat yahan ki ho.....ab agar koi Alim Jummay k din Mimber-e-Rasool (SALALLAHOALIHE WASALLAM ) per beth ker koi baat bataye or baat main oos sey munker ho jaaye tou.......... well ye Hadis oonhon ne Wahan beth ker bayaan ki ..or main ne baghair tasdeeq kiye yahan post ker di ......baad main oon sey poocha tou oonhon ne kaha k nahi aisi koi Hadis nahi hai.....or bhi logon ne suna thaa is Hadis ko ..........ya shayad main ne he ghalat sun li ho....beher haal i m sorry again...or Allah Rabbul Izzat sey is k liye maafi ka talab gaar hoon...... AlhamdULILLAH meri choti 2 sisters ne Dars-e-Nizaami ka course kia hua hai..or koi confusion hoti hai tou oon sey pooch leta hoon...or Ulama Karaam ki khidmat main jata rehta hoon ..lekin is dafa jaldi main bas ek baat yahan ker di ....Allah Tala maaf fermaaye..........aap ye Posts perh lein ,,,,,Links ooper paste ker diye hain.........phir bhi confusion ho tou Ulama-e-Karaam sey pooch lein........inshaAllah wo sahi rehnumaai fermaayein gey............. JaZAKUMULLAH Edited May 29, 2005 by **LaLa_1** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qaasim 0 Posted May 29, 2005 (edited) Lala bro mashallah Allah nay aap ko itni izat de hay k main tu aap ko bohat manti hoon aur aap ki ,Ibadat ki,rukh,Ariba ki her baat ko sahi manti hoon ye tu Abeera ne point out ki baat warna tu maybe main kuch kehti bhi nahikuch time pehle mera isi behas ki wajha se yahan bara he bad experience raha hay :( es liye ab socha hay k aap kabhi bhi main khoud se ye baat start nahi karoon gi aur kisi baat pe etraz nahi karoon gi haan aap parday walli konsi post ka keh rahay hein...kiya wo link yahan paste kar saktay hein plz :o Sanum sis when there is doubt u have to ask even if it is grt ullma of islam and NOONE here is big ullma including lala, rukh, ibadat(tht doesn't mean they r nothing they are well informed abt islamic affairs :) then any of us ) so when u have doubt u have to ask and not keep quite. :D Edited May 29, 2005 by Qaasim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qaasim 0 Posted May 29, 2005 Assalamoalikumhttp://www.coolyar.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=876 http://www.coolyar.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3904&st=0 http://www.coolyar.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3075 ye main ne oon topics k links post ker diye hain ...aap perh leejiyega and aap kuch bhi pooch sakti hain.......never hesitate to start any conversation over here......!aap k poochnay sey he humaaray Ilm main izafa hota hai or doosron ko bhi jaannay ka moqa milta hai! ABEERA and Qaasim>>> is sey pehley kabhi aisa nahi hua k main ne baghair tasdeeq kiye koi baat yahan ki ho.....ab agar koi Alim Jummay k din Mimber-e-Rasool (SALALLAHOALIHE WASALLAM ) per beth ker koi baat bataye or baat main oos sey munker ho jaaye tou.......... well ye Hadis oonhon ne Wahan beth ker bayaan ki ..or main ne baghair tasdeeq kiye yahan post ker di ......baad main oon sey poocha tou oonhon ne kaha k nahi aisi koi Hadis nahi hai.....or bhi logon ne suna thaa is Hadis ko ..........ya shayad main ne he ghalat sun li ho....beher haal i m sorry again...or Allah Rabbul Izzat sey is k liye maafi ka talab gaar hoon...... AlhamdULILLAH meri choti 2 sisters ne Dars-e-Nizaami ka course kia hua hai..or koi confusion hoti hai tou oon sey pooch leta hoon...or Ulama Karaam ki khidmat main jata rehta hoon ..lekin is dafa jaldi main bas ek baat yahan ker di ....Allah Tala maaf fermaaye..........aap ye Posts perh lein ,,,,,Links ooper paste ker diye hain.........phir bhi confusion ho tou Ulama-e-Karaam sey pooch lein........inshaAllah wo sahi rehnumaai fermaayein gey............. JaZAKUMULLAH yaar lala i am not well versed on hadis, but i have some knowelgde so i also said abt this and secondly yaar well ye Hadis oonhon ne Wahan beth ker bayaan ki ..or main ne baghair tasdeeq kiye yahan post ker di ......baad main oon sey poocha tou oonhon ne kaha k nahi aisi koi Hadis nahi hai.....or bhi logon ne suna thaa is Hadis ko ..........ya shayad main ne he ghalat sun li ho....beher haal i m sorry again...or Allah Rabbul Izzat sey is k liye maafi ka talab gaar hoon...... u urself told tht there is no such hadis so yaar i request u stop calling it hadis also :) wasay mistake insaan say hi hoti hai and no need to say sorry again :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abeera 0 Posted May 30, 2005 :o Sanum sis when there is doubt u have to ask even if it is grt ullma of islam and NOONE here is big ullma including lala, rukh, ibadat(tht doesn't mean they r nothing they are well informed abt islamic affairs :) then any of us ) so when u have doubt u have to ask and not keep quite. :D .....WELL QASIM M TOTALLY AGREE WID U ..... .................................................................... AS SANAM I ALWAZ BLV ON THIS KAI IF U FEEL ANY PROB IN ANY MATTER N AFFAIRS OF LIFE SO U SHUD B ASK N TAKE GUIDENESS FRM THOSE PEOPLE WHO CAN GUIDE U WELL N SOLVE IT...... N ESP IN ISLAMIC AFFAIRS IF V FEEL ANY PROB N ANYTHING WRONG OR ANY POINT WHICH V NOT GETTING WELL .. SO THIS IS OUR RITE TO ASK.... ............................................................................... WELL FARHAN .AS I MENTIONED B4 NO SORRIES PLZ. AGAIN N AGAIN AS U DIDN;T DO INTENTIONALLY HERE...N SECONDLY,I KNOW DIS THING U DIDN;T WRITE ANYTHING HERE B4 WIDOUT TASDEEQ....., SO KEEP POSTING HERE..... WANA READ MORE FRM U ......... ABEERA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted May 30, 2005 sanum > main yahan sirf chand batain kehna chahonge app ki post per app ka yeh kehna kay app mere ariba ibadat ya lala ki her bat sahe mantee hain ....to yahan main yehe kahoon gee hamare bat ko app sahe manin yeh koi zaroore nahi hay ...kion k hum bhi amm logoon ki terha he ilm rakhtay hain..bulkay hamare kaheen baton ko app kisi alim say poochain taehqeeq kerain .. app yeh pooch sakte hain kay jo hades or ayat app bata rahay hain woh kis book main hay ya us kay rawi kon hay ya woh ayat kahan hay yeh poochna koi airtaz main sahmil nahi.. maini sirf itna arz kia tha jub hum jub ahadees or ayat ki tafsser ka ilm nahi rakhtay or hamray samnae koi bayan keray to us ko us waqt tuk Rad na kerain jub tuk app khud us per ilm na hasil ker lain ya jin ulma per app ko aytmad hay un say pooch na lain kion kay yahan khadsha hay kay hum apne naqis aqal say us hadeed ya ayat ko kaheen jhutla na rahay hoon ...or is say iman kay sulb ho janay ka khtra hota hay ..Rad kerna or Poochna do alag alag ammal hain app yeh poosh saktay hain yeh hadees kis kitab main hay is ki tafseer kis alim nay bayan ki ..or Rad kerna yeh hay kay hum kahain nahi is ka mutlub yeh nahi yeh ho ga ... isee ley ulma hazrat sakhte say mana fermatay hain kay her koi uth ker Quran ya hadees ka ders daina na shroo keray kion kay adhoray ilm wala na sirf khud gumarh hota hay bulkay dosron ko bhi gumrah kerta hay behrhal main app ki post kay pas-e-manzar say choonkay waqif hoon is ley mainay wazahat ki .... bulkay main yeh kehna zaroore samjhon gee app Deene masail ko un kay marakiz say he seekhnay ki koshish kerain or ulma say he masail ko seekhain . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanum 0 Posted May 30, 2005 (edited) Aasalm O Alaikum all thanx all Lala>>> jazakallah main inshallah jald he ye links read karoon gi aur phir ager tu meri confusion door ho gain tu theek warna main sawalaat zaroor karoon gi ... rukh,LAla>>>masla ye hay jis ka may kai kai dafa ziker kar choki hoon k meray aas pass koi madra ya alim nahi lay day k ye site aur aap sab ho in se main poch sakti hoon aur badqismati say aap sab jin books ka mojhey refrence dain gay main wo book bhi kaheen se nahi la sakti aur na he os say aap ki kahi baat ki tasdeek kar sakoon gi ...I'm totally helpless :( Qaasim>>> thanx 4 ur kind words...mashallah U hv also knowledge abt Islam then y don't U shre it wid us...Y U avoid all discusion & debating base topics... Abeera>>> well I never hesitate to ask any question specially abt Islam coz I want to learn U hv observed already that in this board I'm the only one here who is questioning everywhere but I'm bit concious abt this after one experience so now a days avoiding such things coz I don't want 2 hurt anyone Edited May 30, 2005 by sanum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
