sanum 0 Posted April 16, 2005 bayshak ALLAH ghfoor hay hamre koi aik naykee ki berkat say woh humain gunahoon say door ker daytay hain or un gunahoon ko bhi naikoon main badal daytay hain is per koi Aitraz ker sakta hay kay ALLAH ro haleem or burdbar hain apnay faislon main or yeh to aik jazbati badshah ka faisla lagta hay jo aik achay ammal per saray burray ammal chor day or ak burray ammal saray achal ammal zaya ker dain ab main yahan zara confuse hoon k ek jagha aap nay kaha k gunnah bhi nakiyoon may badal jata hay aur dosri taraf kaha k gunnah say bacnay ki tofeeq deya hay yani pora ka pora wa kissa jo k nechay bhi quote karoon gi donno batain hein es may wasay Allah ko beniyaz kyun kehtay hein wo jo chahey kar sakta hay na hum etraaz karnay wallay koun hotay hein to yahan ULMA tafseer ya jawab toon deytay hain kay hadees ko mukhtasir bayan kia gya hay or maqsad-e-hadees yeh kay ki us awarat ka yeh ammal ALLAH nay qabool kia or us kay lay naikee kay rastay khol deye or is naike ki barkat say usa ko baqee zindgee iman walee hasil hoyeeapp dekhain hadees ka zahir kitna mukhtalif lag raha hay or tafsser main aaker kitnee mazeed batain pata chaleen? kay baz naikiyan is terha QABOOL hote hain k un ki barkat say phir humain saree zindgee naikion kee tafeeq he rehte hay or gunah nahi hotay ! jazakaal bohat bohat achi baat batey k mojhe sach may ye baat pata nahi thi manay oper ek point likha hay apna es baray may.. kiya hamari he daleel ya esa kehna gunnah tu nahi hoga k Allah bordbar hay us nay esa kyun kahan jesa tum nay yahan biyaan kiya lakin yeh hadees to khud app ki bat kay mukhalif ja rahee hain is hadees main yeh bayan kia gya kay jub tuk woh kaffir tha us ko qatal ker saktay thay lakin jaisai us nay kalma perh liya to ab is IMAN ki badolat us ka qatal kerna mana ker diya gaya... jab k mera khayal hay ye daleel aap k comments k baad khoud meri he favour may chali gaey hay k hosakta hay us waqt us marnay wallay nay bhi apni bakshish ki mafi mang lee ho ho sakta hay usay Allah nay hidayat day de ho ...hum nay us k dil may tu jhank k nahi na dekha wo tu rub he janay ...usliye hamain bus khoud k barey me sochna chaheay aur es waqeay say ibrat pakarni chaheay kia islam main JAHAD ka hukam insaniyat kay khilaf hay ?/ is main bhi to qatal hoota hay ...kafiroon ki Awrtain or mard muslmano ko ghulam ki soorat main miltay hain nahi par jahad akhri sorat hay nahaq jungo jidal Allah ko bhi pasand nahi jahan tak meray ilm hay jab opposite party jung pay majboor karti hay aur wo khoud hathyaar othya hain tu hum muslim bh khamosh nahi bethtay...warna hum nay kabi khoud say ye pehal nahi ki...ab main batati hoon Islam ki pehli jang kahan hoey Madina may na k Mecca may aur us ka matlab hay k wo kafir khoud aaey larnay k liye na k App SAW nay pehal ki aur agar esa hota tu jang Mecca may hoti ... jang qaidiyoon ko aap SAW nay ya tu fadiya lay k reha kar deya ya phir onhain muslim qaidiyoon ko parhanay pe mamoor kiya....jab k kuch sahabiyoon ka ye khayal bhi tha k onhain qatal kiya jaey laykin esa nahi kiya gaya un k sath tu itna acha salook kiya gaya k esi hosnay salook ki wajha say wo muslim hogaey un may say kafi log...itna tu aap manti he hongi yeh to aik sher ka khatma hay ..kuffer ko phylanay say rokna takay insan is ka shikar na hoo ghalt rastoon ko mitana hay takay hiidyat ka rasta roshan ho shir ka khatima kiya kisi ko qatal karna he hay kiya osay naki ki hidayat dena nahi agar esa hota tu App SAW aur un k sahaba kafroon ko deen ki dawat na detay jab Hazrat Umer RA talwar lay k app SAW ko qatal karnay aarahay thay tu aap SAW ya koi sahabi onhan rastay may he qatal kar deta ...ya phir safray Taif may Hazrat Jibraeel k kehnay k bawajood aap SAW nay koi baduaaa ya azaab k liye nahi kaha agar kaha tu sirf itna k inhain maaf kar do shayad inhi ki quom say ha naey nasil say koi hidayat pa lay jub app ghalat ko ghalat nahi kahain to sahe ki nishan dahe kaisai kerain gay?? laykin Agar Allah k hoqum say aur apni koshish say os kaam may koi theek karnay ki gonjaesh hogi tu main osay gallat kehnay say pehle koshish zaroor karon gi phir osay gallat kahoon gi Hinda bad main MUSLMAN ho gayee thee or is kay IMAN alnay ki wajha say us ko mauff kia gya tha dekho osay es harkat k baad tu qatal nahi kiya gaya tha i mean foran balkay meray meray khayal say yahan bhi os k muslim honay ka factor us waqt mosalmanoo ka acha aklaq tha aur kuch nahi muslman or kaffir aik araber nahi ho saktay ..kuffer andhera hay ilsam roshne hay kia dono aik jaysay hain? main esa kab keh rahi hoon aur mera kehna bhi yahi hay k pehle tu ye clear ho k kafir hay koun..kiya ahlay kitab ko esa keh saktay hein...manay last mail may aaj say pehle wali may es baat pay tafselan sab keh deya hay Islam aik mazbot deen hain us main koi kamzore nahi kay jo shaks jo marzee kerta rahay ur us ko kuch na kaho ...ho sakta hay ALLAH us ko kisi ammal per mauff kerdaywoh to ALLAH oor us ka mamla hay humain jo ahkamat deye gaye humain waisai he ammal kerna hay ji bilkul...hum jo behas lay bethay hein wo ye hay k Islam kiya hay...sirf ibadat aur muslims say acha salook ya sab say acha salook es k liye aap phir meri previous post dekhain aaj say pehlay walli Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanum 0 Posted April 16, 2005 app ko maloom hain yeh POP kia kertay hain ?kabhi in kay mazhab kay barain maina pp sunain to ap ko ahsas ho kay hamray ANBIYA per kitna bara jhoot boltay hain HARZAT ISA alyhi salam ka nam lay ker kia kia tamshay kertay hain or logon ko bulatay hain meray pass jab ek makamal deen hay tu mojhe kiya zaroorat hay kisi aur deen ko jannay ki aur wo esa kartay hein pop tu apnay heleligion k logon k liye karta hein onhain he taleem detay hein hein na k hum muslims ko bilkul toba kernee chaye e ..pop ko ALLAH hee pochay ga ..hum nay hisab nahi liynal main bhi tu yahi itni dair say keh rahi hoon k os say Allah he pochay hamain es say kiya leena aur jo aap nay Sorah he Muhammad ka hawala deya wo main bhi kehti hoon k Allah ki paker un k liye akhrat may bayshak hay phir hum boray ko bora keh k khoud boray nahi bantay? jazakallah k yahan aap nay bohat achi batain bataey hein jo k mojhe nahi maloom thein... ek aur baat ki tafseel chahon gi aur osay clear karna chah rahi hoon k yaheen aap nay jo yahood aur nasara ka hawala deya tu phir hamain ye kaha gaya k muslim Quran say pehli asmani kitaboon ko bhi manain par ye bhi kaha gaya k un main radobadal hay....jab k ye baat khoud hamain nabi nay bataey siray se he onhain na mannay ka hoqum kyun nahi hay?yahan aap ye mat kehna k pehlay wo othari tu Allah he taraf se thein kehnay ka maksad kiya hay I hope k aap samajh jain main sahi say samjha nahi pa rahi :( inho nay to sub badal diya kon say hidyta ka rasta hay yeh? ye tu us waqt bhi esa he tha nabi pak SAW k waqt say he ab ki baat tu nahi hay ye....rukh sach may main bohat confuse hoon yahan Allah karay k aap meri baat jo main nahi samjha paa rahi wo aap sahi say samajh jain or aj main ager cy per hoon to ap ki wajha say hoon kay app is ki talab rakhtee hain werna dosray thread mainn ab main koi participation nahi kertee app nay note kia ho ga or ab to main sirf islma hee per guftgu main hissa loon gee ..kay dosray tafreehe thread main na mahrim say bhi bat cheet bila uzzar ho jate hay or mere aik achee member nay is teraf tawaj dilye kay yeh sahee nahi .. app jo ilm hasil ker rahe hain dosray yeh samjh saktay hain k yeh cheez jaiz hay tubhee app bawjood ilm k is main mubtla hain or ise tera unhi nay chatting per bhi muhhay fatwa la ker diya ALLAH un ko jazay_e_khair ata kerai .. ...INSHALLAH ab koshish rahay gee kay koi aisa amal na ho jo shreyat kay khilaf ho or mere waselay say agay jayee ! app say duaaon ki derkhuast hay ... ji mojhe es baat ka achay say ehsaas hay jis k liye pehlay Allah ka shokar karoon gi aur phir aap ka ..ab bhi kahoon gi meri kisi naiki ka sila hay aap ki mojodgi...Jazakallah achi member ka naam ab kuch kuch mojhe bhi pata chal raha hay..par jab aap batana nahi chahteen tu main bhi unka naam nahi longi... manay tab bhi aap say kaha tha k aap bayshak apnay aap ko yahan islam section tak mehdood rakhain agar baki sab sahi nahi hay tu... rahi aap ki baat chat ki tu wo main bhi manti hoon yahi wajha hay k main bhi mostly ye avoid karti hoon k wo sarasir shatan ko khoush karnay walla kaam hay k hum us may bohat waqt zaeya kartay hein... rahi namehrum walli baat tu jahan tak mera khayal hay es tarha tu aap male teachers say bhi ilm hasil kar rahi hongi...fhone pay bhi baat hojati hogi...darwazay bhi door bell pay aap pochti hongi k koun hay jab k Islam may manha hay k Namehrum aab ki awaz bhi na sonay jab k hamaray mashray me aaj kal k dour may esa momkin nahi... us lehaz say Forum bohat sahi hay wahan hum esa kuch nahi kartay..yani na dekhna ek dosray ko aur na he awaz sonna baki aap ziyada sahi samajh sakti hein ye mera khayal hay jo k gallat bhi ho sakta hay...Islam itna bhi sakht nahi hay zarorat k tahit aurotoon nay bhi jangoon may hissa liya hay yani marham pati aur pani pilana wagera...Hazrat Ali KW ka bhi koul hay k jis tarha zinda rehnay k liye jisim ko hawa pani ki zarorat hay esi tarha rouh k zinda rehnay k liye hansi mazak ki zarorat hay par hadood k ander aur kisi ki dil azari k baghair... ab aap batain k main kis had tak sahi hoon...main bhi islah chahoon gi k bakool Aaman ilm mehdood hay mera par sekhnay ki bohat gonjaish hay kaheen bhi kisi jagha kuch bora lagay tu main pehlay say mafi chahti hoon Allah gawah hay k meri esa koi maqsad nahi bus baat say baat chal nikli Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanum 0 Posted April 16, 2005 Ibadat ab main aap k comments ka reply doongi yahan bhi main yahi kahoon gi mera maqsad kisi ko hurt karna ya kafroon ki favour nahi balkay sirf aur sirf meri soch hay jis hi islah chahoon gi agar main galat hoon tu... aap ko kis nay kaha k hamain bohat dokh hoa pop k marnay ka dokh hoa tu sirf es baat ka k hum muslims kitnay badal gaey hein k hamain khoud k logon ka apnay mazhab ka koi ehsas nahi lakin dosron ki kitni fikar hay aur kitna afsos... kahin bhi aap ke lehje main gussa ya jhunjalahat nahi aiiiiiii............. i really really appreciate itt.!!!!!!!!! rahi ye baat k rukh aap ko kaheen gussay may nahi lageen tu meri behan hum kahan gussay may thay hum bhi tu aram say behas kar rahay hein aap ko wasay esa kahan laga zaroor bataey gaa...lagta hay aap nay sirf rukh k replies parhay hein hamaray nahi warna aap es waqt mojhe samjha rahi hotein rukh ki tarha na k comments detein k konsa great pop etc... 1.Rukh ne specially POP ko bura kehne ke liye topic start nahi kia hian ye topic kisi orka start kia howa hain ... yahi baat tu hamaray liye bhi hay k manay ya Aaman nay ye topic start nahi kiya aur na hum yahan soog mana rahay hein uska... Dekhey Aik insaan tableegh karta raaha TASLEES (3 gods) ki, tu kia us ka mar janey par ALLAH ka shukar ada karnakoi gunnah hain???? yahi tu sari confusion hay jesay main samajhna chah rahi hoon k ager wo tableeg kar raha tha tu apnay bandoon ko na k hamain tu hamara kiya leena dena us k marnay k baad ab ye Allah aur uska mamla do u know. hamrey ghar ke pass aik Muslim murdit ho gaya hian ....Christian ho gaya hian or last infoo ke mutabik us ne 41 Muslims ko Christian kar diay hian.....ab agar wo marey ga ? tu main tu INSHALLAH ul AZIZ 2 rakat NAfil ada karoo gi.......tu kia main galat karoo gi?????? yahi tu asal baat hay yahi tu meri aur aap ki soch may firk hay aur maybe yahi wajha hay sari bahis ki & do u know k main kiya karti pehle tu main Allah say us ki hidayat ki dua karti phir apni koushish osay sahi rastaa dobara dekhanay ki ager meri koshish kamyaab na hoti tu main ye mamla Allah pe chor deti k ab aap he eska insaaf karo buss....insan ko imaan bohat kamzoor hay meri dua hay k Allah bus gumrahi say bachaey k Allah na karay k us orat ki jigha koi bhi ho sakta tha.... Mufti Shamazai... Yousuf Ludhyani wagera ki sahadat par kia esa koi afsoos dekhne par aya tha?????? nahi na???ye afssooooos ki baat hain buhat ke aik Muslim country ka Flag sarnagoon raha , neecha raha.... just bcoz of d death of that bladdy pop........ geerat kiu nahi atiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii?????? Aik muslim country ke Ministar of Riligious Affairs , pop ke janazey main shirkat ke liye gaya....... ye theek kia us ne ?????????? DEEN hamary non Muslims ke sath ache ikhlaq ka hukum deta hain lekin is ka maltba ye nahi hain kahiin bhi ke un ke marne par afsoossss kaoro... yahi tu afsos hay in sab ka zemaydar koun hay hum khoud manay yahi sari behas ki hay k dosray mazahib ka koi kasoor nahi hamari barbadi may balkay hamara apna he qasoor hay....aur sab say pehle hamain tableeq kisi non muslim country may nahi karni chaheay balkay apnay ghar aur apnay relatives say karni chaheay k agar hum achay muslim hein tu warna hamain pehlay deen ki tableeg khoud say karni chaey pehlay khoud ko acha muslim banao phir aas paas k logon ko aur phir kisi non muslim ko.... yahi tu wajha hay k log muslims ko aaj k dour may kyun bora samajhtay hein k humaray apnay kool aur faill may fark hay...dosron ko namaz ki hidayat jab k khoud ko maybe namaz ka sahi matlab bhi nahi pata...hum may chand he achay muslim hein jab k majority esi hay aur tabhi sab ko bora samjha jata hay un masoom chand logon ko bhi... ab bataiye aap ko Eteraz kis baat hain sister???? ke shukar kiu ada kia ja raha hain????aap aik bar phir Rukh ke replies parhey aram se .. INSHALLAH ul Aziz aap ki baat samjh aa jain gain sis manay bata deya k mojhe etraz kis baat ka tha omeed hay samajh agaya hoga manay na sirf saray replies dobara say parhay hein balkay apnay comments bhi deay hein Sanum Shirk ki kaii kismain hotii hian.......jis main sab se bara or nakabley mafii shirk hain Allah ke sath kisi kotehrana......ab ye shirk chaiey jo bhi karey wo jahanum main jaye ga or ye clear cut faisla hain Allah Tala ka...... aap nay meri post parhi hay aaj say pehli walli us may manay kafi kuch dobara say likh deya hay jo main dobara kehna nahi chahoon gi... meri tarf say tu ab tak ki sari behas ka nichor aur comments baki aap sab k comments ka wait hay... Aaman>>> thanx alot Alhumdulilah koi tu hay jo meri baat samjha aur meri jesi soch rakhta hay aur meri taraf say bola...warna tu sab samajh rahay thay k main non muslims ki side pay hoon Sanum dear aap kai comments ka wait ker rehi hon.. dearest manay apnay comments daydeay ab unkay replies ka wait hay...takay meri confusion khatum ho aur ye pata chalay k main kis had tak sahi hoon Rukh muhabat hai..Allah sai or apnay anbia sai ..or os muhabat ka saboot he hamari justajoo hai..or aap sai ye sab pochnay ka maqsad be yehi thaa k apni galti kee nishandahee ho sakkay.. bilkul sahi baat kahi excellent main bhi yahi kahoon gi k mera agarchay ilm kum hay par sekhnay ki lagan aur chahat aur talab ki koi wosat nahi wo laamehdood hay aur meray sawalaat bhi :D ek dafa phir say mazrat chahoon gi agar main kaheen rude ya bitter lagonjab k mera irada esa bilkul nahi par bahis may kabhi kabhi na chahtay hoey bhi esa ho jata hay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted April 16, 2005 assalamu alikum Mashallah app sub ka zoq or shoq dekh ker bohat khushe h rahee hay main INSHALLAH jald reply keron gee ... filhal net per anay kay ley waqt itna mill nahi raha kay itne tafseel say jawab day sakoon duaaon main yad rakhain ... RUKH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted April 16, 2005 Sanum aap ki post parhi ......aray aap bhi tu theek hi keh rahi hain..... problem yahan ke hain ke aap keh rahi hian ke Mar gaya pop tu ab mar gaya us ko bura na kaho ........ jab ke baat samjhye ke rukh ne us ko gr8 kahey jane ke bad ....is baaat ki muzzammat ke toor par usey bura kaha ......or main ne bhi.... ye replay ka ans tha us ke liye jinhiun ne ye topic start kia tha..... ________________ yahi meray kehnay ka maqsad tha k nonmuslims say hamaray apnay muslim firqay ziyada khatarnak ein k hamain dosray mazahib ka tu sahi say pata hay k wo dushman hain hamaray lakin unka sahi pata nahi chalta jab tak wo khoud say na batain k onka konsa firka hay SANUM yahan main aap se agree kartiii hoon....bilkool theek baat hain ... tu yahi khouf kisi non muslim k dil may bhi tu kabhi na kabhi aasakta hay na tum nay marnay k baad kiya hoga parhi hay usmay likha tha k qabrain bhi change ho jati hein yani boray insaan ki qabar may acha insan aasakta hay aur achay k bora k bazahir hamari nazar may wo achay tha laykin tha bora aur esi tarha bora tha kuch aur ... Sanum Sistar, esa nahi hota...... kafir agar kafir mara hain tu wo kafirr ko milne wala azab hisahey ga...main ne kam se kam esii koiii baat nahi parhii ke marene ke bad kabrain change ho jati hain....how iz it possible??? ke banda mara tu neek or kabar change??? haan esa ho satka hain ke aap ko nazar main koi band buhat neek hota hian lekin us ki koi aik baat koi aik Jumla us ke mun se Kufria ya shirkia nikal jata hain ...jis ki waja se wo banda Allah ko napasand ho jata hian...or jahannum ka mustahiq teharta hain ....or isi tarah koi bura admi hota hain us ka kaaha howa koi aik jumla bhi Allah Tala ko pasand aa jata hain or Allah ke rehmat ka darwaza us par khool jata hian .... ab esa kiu hta hian? ye ALLAH hi janta hian....us ke kamoon main koi dakhal andazi nahi kar sakta....or koi esii chezz jo Allah Tala ke barey main shak o shube main daley us se door rahiye....us baat par dehan mat dejiey or duwa kejieye...warna ye buhat galat sabit ho saktii hain Akeedey ke etebar se...... jab k mera khayal hay ye daleel aap k comments k baad khoud meri he favour may chali gaey hay k hosakta hay us waqt us marnay wallay nay bhi apni bakshish ki mafi mang lee ho ho sakta hay usay Allah nay hidayat day de ho ...hum nay us k dil may tu jhank k nahi na dekha wo tu rub he janay ...usliye hamain bus khoud k barey me sochna chaheay aur es waqeay say ibrat pakarni chaheay Agar aap ye pop ke barey main keh rhai hian tu.....agar esa hota tu first to wo sab ke samne admit karta...aik dam aik sec himain koi nahi badal jata....wakat lagta hain.....or meri apni zatii rahey hain ke wo AGAR MUSALMAN ho jata tu lakhoon or Musalman ho jatey .....tu kia agar wo Musalman hona cahta tu Allah ussey time na detey....us ke zariey se lakhon ko hidayat detey...... (Allah maaf karey agar main galat hon lekin meri nakis tareeeeen akal yahi kehtii hain ke itni bari famous riligious persnality agar chagne karna chaiey riligon to sab ko maloom hota ke doosrey bhi sabak letey) aik Chiristain nun ne ISLAM accept kia tha ...Kuwab main ussye KHANE KABA dekha tha ke Kroos Sign tot gaya ian wahn se gir kar ....tu wo Musalman howi tu us ke saht us ke hazaroon manne waley bhi Musalman ho gaye they....phir ye tu FATHER tha..... shir ka khatima kiya kisi ko qatal karna he hay kiya osay naki ki hidayat dena nahi agar esa hota tu App SAW aur un k sahaba kafroon ko deen ki dawat na detay jab Hazrat Umer RA talwar lay k app SAW ko qatal karnay aarahay thay tu aap SAW ya koi sahabi onhan rastay may he qatal kar deta ...ya phir safray Taif may Hazrat Jibraeel k kehnay k bawajood aap SAW nay koi baduaaa ya azaab k liye nahi kaha agar kaha tu sirf itna k inhain maaf kar do shayad inhi ki quom say ha naey nasil say koi hidayat pa lay Hazrat Umar RaziAllahtalaanhu ke liye kud HAzoor e Pak sallallahu alehey waalehi wasalam ne duwa farmaii thi...or Allah Tala ne Umat RAziAllahtalaanhu ko Eman ki dulat , HAzoor e Pak sallallahu alehey waalehi wasalam ki duwa ki badoolat bakhsii thi.....or jab UMAr RAziAllahtalaanhu a rahey thye Talwar le kar tu us time HAzor e Pak sallallahu alehye waalehi wasalam apne SAHABA e KARAM Razwan ullah ajameen ke sath bethey they...agar koi badtameezi karetey bhi woo tu sahab e karam razwan ullah azmaeen wahan mojood hi they..... or 2nd Hazoor e Pak sallallahu alehey walehi wasalam ko jab bataya gaya tha ke UMAR aa rahey hain talwaar ke stah tu shayed aap ne saheyd Allah maaf karey mujhy righ words yaad nahi hain lekin saheyd is tarah se kuch farmaya tha ke "AGar kheer lene aa raha hian tu kheer miley gi ....." (mafhoom esa hi kuch bnata hain ) 3rd Hazoor e Pak sallallahu alehey walehi wasalam ko shayed... maloom tha ke ye EMAN le aye gain.... ..... Hazoor e Pak sallallahu alehey waalehi wasalam ne badduwa is liye nahi farmaii thi ke Allah Tala ne Aap sallallahu aleehy waalehi wasalam ko purii duniye ke liye rehmat bana kar bheeja hian, WAMA ARSALNAKA ILLA RAHMATALILAALAMEEN ......hidayat ki dawat bhi deeni chaiye lkein kuffar ka jihad main kattal bhi tu kia, POP D END ho chuka hain ab tu sirf us ki zzaat par comments hi deiye ja saktye hain ....or jesa wo thaa us ke hisab se hamarey tu buhat shareefana comments hain ..... laykin Agar Allah k hoqum say aur apni koshish say os kaam may koi theek karnay ki gonjaesh hogi tu main osay gallat kehnay say pehle koshish zaroor karon gi phir osay gallat kahoon gi gg yahi baat ke pop ke liye hain tu pop tu gaya kaam se _____ Sanum jo aap ne kitbaon par eman lane wali baat kahi tu wo ye hain ke EMAN loon ke Allah hi ne wo 4aroon kitabin utarii ... i mean pehley ke 3enon main Allah hi ne utarii thi.... Allah hi ki kitabain thi lekin phir un ke baroon ne ,apni marzii se un main tabdellii kar di jis ke bais ab Musalman ko us ka parhna bhi nahi jaiz jesa ke aik bar BIBLE ka shaeyd mutalla kartey howey Sayyadeena UMAR FAROOOQ RAziAllahtalaanhu ko HAzoor e PAk sallallahu alehey waalehi wasalam ne dekha tha tu tambhi farma dii thi .....mana kar diay tha ......un ko bhi ....jab ke wo aik JALEEL KADAR sahab e Rasool they...... EMAN is par laiye ke kitabin Allah ne hi utarii thi lekin ab jo hain wo badal chuki hain... un main honi wali changes par eman nahi laaiye .... RUKH behtar samjha saktii hain...... ____ rahi aap ki baat chat ki tu wo main bhi manti hoon yahi wajha hay k main bhi mostly ye avoid karti hoon k wo sarasir shatan ko khoush karnay walla kaam hay k hum us may bohat waqt zaeya kartay hein... rahi namehrum walli baat tu jahan tak mera khayal hay es tarha tu aap male teachers say bhi ilm hasil kar rahi hongi...fhone pay bhi baat hojati hogi...darwazay bhi door bell pay aap pochti hongi k koun hay jab k Islam may manha hay k Namehrum aab ki awaz bhi na sonay jab k hamaray mashray me aaj kal k dour may esa momkin nahi... us lehaz say Forum bohat sahi hay wahan hum esa kuch nahi kartay..yani na dekhna ek dosray ko aur na he awaz sonna baki aap ziyada sahi samajh sakti hein ye mera khayal hay jo k gallat bhi ho sakta hay...Islam itna bhi sakht nahi hay zarorat k tahit aurotoon nay bhi jangoon may hissa liya hay yani marham pati aur pani pilana wagera...Hazrat Ali KW ka bhi koul hay k jis tarha zinda rehnay k liye jisim ko hawa pani ki zarorat hay esi tarha rouh k zinda rehnay k liye hansi mazak ki zarorat hay par hadood k ander aur kisi ki dil azari k baghair... ab aap batain k main kis had tak sahi hoon. NAMEHRAM teachers ki jahan tak baat hain tu PARDEy main hotii hian RUKH in kel iye jaiz hian or doosri baat Rukh ke madarse main in ke ASATAZA E KARAM ke voice sunni jatii hain wo samne nahi atey....through speaker, jis ki purii purii gunjaish hain, Hazrat Ayesah RaziAllahtalaanhu se SAHAB E KARAM Rizwan ullah ajmaeen PARDE main rah kar masail poochne ke liye atey they.... or ye jaiz hian.....kisi tarah ka koi gunnah nahi hain......MADARSOO main buhat ehtiyat se studes chal rhai hian ... or 2ndly HAzrat Ali RaziAllahtalaanhu ne ye baat agar khai bhi hain tu is liye nahi kahii ke larka larki gapain marey ..... AWAL to deen pura ka pura nibhaey or phir hansii mazak wo bhi jaiz us ki gunjaish hain ...or wo bhi mehram ke sath.....hum bhi kisi bhi cheez ko srif parh ka nateeza nahi le saktey ...background yakeenan malooom hona chaiye.... ' Chat ho... live hoon...phone hon... ya forums.....namehram se baat maana hian..... lehje main jo aurton ke aik khass narmi hotii hain us narmi ko khatamk ar ke aap namehram se jaiizz baat kar saktye hain....jaiz or zaroorat ki... or SANUM is main kahii bhi sakhtii nahi hain....... ye AZADI hain compeltey azadii..... RUKH M I WRONG??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted April 16, 2005 Main ne buhat se bataoon ka jawab nahi dia hain ... mera khiayl hain us ka jawab RUKH hi behtar deain saktii hain... sirf confusion hain wanra SANUM bhi sahee jagga par hain apni taraf se....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted April 17, 2005 rahi ye baat k rukh aap ko kaheen gussay may nahi lageen tu meri behan hum kahan gussay may thay hum bhi tu aram say behas kar rahay hein aap ko wasay esa kahan laga zaroor bataey gaa...lagta hay aap nay sirf rukh k replies parhay hein hamaray nahi warna aap es waqt mojhe samjha rahi hotein rukh ki tarha na k comments detein k konsa great pop etc... SANum main ne tu ap ki bhi puri purii aik aik lafz parha hian goor se..... Rukh ko appreciate is liye kia hain ke normally mera jo doossra forum hain wahan jab behas hotii hain na... tu khain na khai kisi na kisi ki baat main doosrey ko neecha dekhana, frustration aa jatii hain itna lamba mial kartey howe... lekin Rukh ke replies main esa dekhne ko nahi mila......na sirf RUKH balkey aap ne bhi pura interest liay....wanra loog koi interest vinterest nahi letey balkey bhagtey hian......aik do baatain kar li or chutiii, no interest for these things.... is liye kaha tha meri behan.......itni mehnat se main ne aap ki sari posts parhii or aap ne kaha ke nahi parhi..................sad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted April 17, 2005 Ibadat>>Sorry from my side too..if u mind my silly comments :( ..don't know why i wrote all these :( plzzzz forget it all.. ohhhh its okk.......... ho jata hian .........mujhy kuch bura nahi lagaa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted April 18, 2005 Assalamu Alikum Sanum > Mashallah app ki justjoo khob hay ALLAH rehnumaye fermain gaye INSHALLAH mamla ab kuch yoon hay kay sanum mainy app kay replies kay 4 ya 5 parts banaye hain ...kion kay app nay dermiyan main mukhtlaif questions bhi keye hain or bat say bat nikelte hoyee kuch dosre cheezain bhi agye hain ...is ley pehlay main us maslay per bat keron gee jis per is saray discussion ki bunyad hay right? ibadat > Mashallah bohat mudalal jawab hain ...bohat khushe hoye app kay jawabat perh ker ..Perday per ap ka jawab bohat mazboot hay ! ummed hay mazeed maloomat bhi app say milte rahay gee ! aaman _iman > jee main mazeed koshish kerte hoon .. Note1>sub say pehlay is bat ko janna zaroe hay kay quran ki ayat ya ahdees ko baghir deene Aloom seekhay sirf apni Aqal say unka mutlub nikalna bilkul sahe nahi.....bohat see ayat aysee hain jin kay bad dosre ayat kay zareye un ka hukam khatum ker diya gya is ko kehtay hain Naasikh Mansookh ..app logon is terha to samjh nahi aye ga ..kehnay ka maqsad yeh hay QURAN ko kisi ustad say terjuma tafseer say zaroor perhna chaeye ...kion kay ferhat hasmi jaisai fitnay jo nikalay hain yeh APNI aQAL per chalnay ko ahum samjh ker GUMRAH hain ... 1st Part yahan main ab woh batain quote ker rahe hiin jo sanum or amman nay sirf POP kay mernay per comments kay baray main kaheen or ahl-e-kitab kay KUFFER per sanum kay sawalaT! Sanum 1.. manay ye kab kaha k kafroon ko bora na kaho manay sirf ye kaha k kisi morday ko bora nahi kehna chaheayk wo apnay anjaam ko pohanch choka Aaman_iman hum nai kaferoon ko accha kehnay ko hergiz nahi kaha ..meray zahen main aanay wala question just ye thaa k mernay kai bad etnay buray words Murda ko bura na kaho main is say inkar nahi ker rahee...lakin Jahan islami talemmat kay khilaf koi ammal ho or us ki taseeh or nishan dahe kay ley app kisi insan ki muzammat kerain agercha zinda ho ya murda ..ye Jahad Bil Lissan hai Hadees shreef main ata hay jis ka mafhom hay tumharay samnay jub koi ghair sharye ammal ho to us ko ruko jitnee tum taqat rakhtay ho or akhreee sub say adna derja yeh hay kay us ko dil say bura jano Is topic kay Start main aik Mushrik Insan ko GR8 kaha gya us ki moot per ifsos kia gya ....or ise terha hamray Media main hoa ..yeh sarsar Ghair sharye or islam kay khilaf hay or muslman ka ferz hay kay woh HAQ ko bulnad keray mainy ise ley POP ko bura kaha takay maloom ho sakay ..kay POP jaisai logoon kay mernay per is terha Ifsos kerna ALLAH kay dushman say goya muhabat ka izhar hay ! FUqaha Karam likhtay hain kay KUFFER ki teraf kisi KHAIR ki nisbat kernay wala khud Kaffir hay yanee koi kahay falan Kafir ya yahode ya aisayee BEhter hay Falan say to us ka iman Khtum ho jaye ga ! Gr8 lafz to TAREEFE KALAMAT hain app kis terha aik MUSHRIK ko tareef ker rahay ho ?? QURAN main aik AYAT meray samnay koi bata day jis main ALLAH na mushrik kafir fasiq fajir ki kabhi koi tareef ki ho?? Pop ko mainay bura kaha to app logoon nay sawal kia mernay kay bad kion kaha ya itne sakht alfaz? yeh ayat Daleel hay meray jawab ki sora ale-imran ayat #57 Allah tala in logon ko kaisai hidyat day ga jo apnay iman lanay or rasool ki haqaniyat ki gawahe dainai or apnai pass roshan daleelain anay kay bad Kafiir ho jain Allah talah aisai bay insaf logon ko rah-e-rast per nahi lata inki to yehe saza hat kay in per LANNAT ho Allah ki ,or Fairshtoon ot tamam Logoon ki lanat ho sora maiba ayat #78 bani israil kay kafirron per hazrat Daood or hazrat isa alyhi salam ki zabani Lanat ki gaye bawaja is kay k woh naferminaian kertay thay or had say agay nikal jatay thay ab yahan AYAT main ALLAH nay na sirf khud lanat bhyje bulkay LGOON or firsihtoon say bhi bhijwayee .....or lafze Kaffir her us insan ko shamil hay jo munker hay khuah zinda ho ya murda ..ayat is hukam main Mutlaq hay hum is main khud say koi takhsees nahi ke saktay kay yeh zindoo kay baray main or murdon kay baray main nahi ! Sanum > 1>ab ye baat k kafir koun hota hay wo jo Allah say inkar karay rad karay tu ye tu ahlay kitaab hein balkay hamaray deen nay in say muslim males ko un say shadi tak ki iajzat di hay..ye aur baat k inlogoon nay apna deen bhola deya hay aur kuch radobadal bhi kar di hay aur shirk bhi kartay hein ...ab onhain kiya kafir kehna jaiz hay jab k ye Ahlay kitab hein 2> ...kiya ye kafir kehlanay k haqdar hein agar haan tu kyun.. Ahl-e-Kitab ka Kuffer ka saboot quran say 1>Sora maida ayat # 73 or woh log bhi qatan Kaffir ho gaye jinhn nay kaha Allah teen main ka teesra hay (isayee mazahb) 2> sora Maida 72 Bay shak woh log Kafiir ho gaye jin ka qool hai kay Maseeh ibn-e-mariyam he Khuda hay 3> app Keh dejeye kay aay ahl-e-kitab tum ALLAH ki Aytoon kay sath kuffer kion kertay ho ? 4.>sora ale-imran aye iman waloo ager tum ahl-e-kitab ki is jamat ki bat mano gay to tumhain tumhare imandare kay bad murtad kafir bana dain gay ! 5> yaqeenan app iman waloon ka sub say zyda dushamn yahodiob or mushrikon ko pain gay! 6>sora maida #51 aye iman waloo tum yahoo-o-nasar ko dost na banao teh to apus main he ik dosrai kay dost hain tum main say jo bhi in main sai say doste keray bayshak woh inhee main say ha .Zalimon ko Allah hergiz rah nahi dikahata! abhi pehlay in do batoon ko clear ker lain is kay bad main mazeed jo sawal app nay keye hain un ka jawab doon gee ..takay her cheez alag alag apny hukam kay sath samjh ajyee kia app ko mean Sanum & Aman ko in ayat kay terjumay say wazaih ho gya hai ?? .ahle--kitab kay barray main sora AL-E-IMRAN OR MAIDA ko tafseer say perha jaye to bohat tafseel mojod hay ! Note> App Salal Allho alyhi wasalam ka name garame jub bhi likhain sath main poora darood likhain sirf SAW ya P.b.U.h likhna sakt bayadabe hay HASTEE ka MAHQAM itna buland hay kay is terha ka IKHTISAR ulma sakhte say mana fermatay hain ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted April 18, 2005 (edited) Well Done NIce replay rukh... Edited April 19, 2005 by Ibadat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mansoor 0 Posted April 18, 2005 Well Done every one !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanum 0 Posted April 18, 2005 Assalamu Alikum walakumsalam Sanum > Mashallah app ki justjoo khob hay ALLAH rehnumaye fermain gaye INSHALLAH jazakallah aur es k liye mojhe aap ki rehnomaey aur hidat ki dua ki zarorat hay mamla ab kuch yoon hay kay sanum mainy app kay replies kay 4 ya 5 parts banaye hain ...kion kay app nay dermiyan main mukhtlaif questions bhi keye hain or bat say bat nikelte hoyee kuch dosre cheezain bhi agye hain ...is ley pehlay main us maslay per bat keron gee jis per is saray discussion ki bunyad hay right? Jazakallah aur mashallah Allah aap ko eska behtreen ajar day mojhe intezar rahay ga Note1>sub say pehlay is bat ko janna zaroe hay kay quran ki ayat ya ahdees ko baghir deene Aloom seekhay sirf apni Aqal say unka mutlub nikalna bilkul sahe nahi.....bohat see ayat aysee hain jin kay bad dosre ayat kay zareye un ka hukam khatum ker diya gya is ko kehtay hain Naasikh Mansookh ..app logon is terha to samjh nahi aye ga ..kehnay ka maqsad yeh hay QURAN ko kisi ustad say terjuma tafseer say zaroor perhna chaeye ...kion kay ferhat hasmi jaisai fitnay jo nikalay hain yeh APNI aQAL per chalnay ko ahum samjh ker GUMRAH hain ... aap k es reply nay mojhe sach may dara deya ...par eska matlab hay k hum sirf rato totay ki tarha sirf arabi may perhain...mojhe batao k main kiya karoon kahan say musti ya alim dhondon... acha tu wo quran sahi hay jis may tarjuma aur tashrih hoti hay... sora maiba ayat #78 ye sorahe moida likha hay na...ager haan tu spell edit kar lena k kuch maray jesay kum ilm gallat na samajh lain esay.... or woh log bhi qatan Kaffir ho gaye jinhn nay kaha Allah teen main ka teesra hay ye sahi say samajh nahi aaya k kiya likha hay Note> App Salal Allho alyhi wasalam ka name garame jub bhi likhain sath main poora darood likhain sirf SAW ya P.b.U.h likhna sakt bayadabe hay HASTEE ka MAHQAM itna buland hay kay is terha ka IKHTISAR ulma sakhte say mana fermatay hain ! ji baja irshad farmaya par wo Arabi ya Urdu may hay yahan tu hum roman urdu likhtay hein tabhi hum esa kartay hein...agar phir bhi gallat hay tu inshallah next time esi gallati nahi hogi....actually wajha bus yahi thi aur bus jaldi jaldi bhi type karna hoti hay... Ibadat>>> plz aap naraz na hoon manay mazak may kaha tha k aap nay parha nahi well parhna itna mushkil nahi jitna likhna...LOL baki k comments aap ki post pay bhi denay hein par ab ek baat chal pari hay tu hum osay contunue rakhtay hein yani Rukh k replies ko baki baad may Aaman_Eman>>> aap hein kahan ?????na koi reply na yahan ka chaker rukh>>> ek dafa phir say thanx & jazakallah baki replies ka intezar rahay ga..ji theek kafir walli baat clear ho gaey...par ye esaeyon k liye bhi hay jab k hum apna dushman quran ki roo say sirf yahodiyon ko mantay hein Mansor>>> thanx par hamain aap ki tareef say ziyada discusion ki zaroorat hay jo k ek hasrat he hoti hay :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted April 19, 2005 g g sanum aap RUKH ki posts ka jawab deiyey aram se baat samjh ani cahiye buss...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaman_Eman 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Rukh>> JzakAllah..aap nai ab etnay acchay tareeqay sai baat ke hai k ab koi confusion baki nahi rehi ..Allah tala aap kai ilm main ezafa keray..or muj jesai nikamay loogon ka bhala be ho jay Aameen. Sanum>>bas dear Allah ka shuker hai k main wapas aagai . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted April 22, 2005 (edited) Ibadat & Mansoor > jazak Allah ummed kerte hoon kahen main ghalat hoye to taseeh fermain gay or apni maloomat say bhi humain istafada uthanay ka moqa dain gay Sanum> aap k es reply nay mojhe sach may dara deya ...par eska matlab hay k hum sirf rato totay ki tarha sirf arabi may perhain...mojhe batao k main kiya karoon kahan say musti ya alim dhondon...acha tu wo quran sahi hay jis may tarjuma aur tashrih hoti hay sub say pehle to koshish to yeh kerain koi mustanad ustad say perhain ..Uk main luster (spelling nahi maloom) city main bohat acha female madersa hay ..ager app wahan ja sakte hain to main app ko us ka address or nam bata daite hoon dosree soorat yeh hay kay net per bhi online tafseer atee hay ..app roz ka aik waqt muqarar kerain ka yeh perhnay ka waqt hay ..or apna quran samnay khol ker bethain or roz ka aik rakoo ya adha rakoo terjuma tafseer say sunain www.darsequran.com ... yahanpooray quran kai tafseer mojod hay voice systum kay sath ..or Ders wagra her week atay hain app reguler sunain or perhain ..pk say app CDs mangwa saktee hain MOLANA Tariq jameel ki ..mere madad chaeye to main apnay USTAZ ki bhi Cds app ko farham ker sakte hoon tafaseer main app MARIF-UL-QURAN . by mufti azam pakistan molana muhammad mufti shafi ..ya Tafseere-e-Usmani ,ya Tafseer-ibn-e-kaseer , app khreedain apnay pass rakhain .... islami masail main app beyhishti-zaywer .zaroor apnay pass rakhain tmam females kay masail per yeh book hay ...Fazail-e-Ammal zaroor rukhain ,! sub say pehle soorat best hay jo Ustad ki rehnumaye main ho ..us say rohniyat bohat jald mazboot hote hay ,...bherhal Deen bhi her jagha hay or Deen walay bhi bus koshish talash or mehnut chaeye ,, Rukwatain in rastoon main ana shert hay ..unhi ko paar kerna hay ALLAH ki madad say! ye sorahe moida likha hay na...ager haan tu spell edit kar lena k kuch maray jesay kum ilm gallat na samajh lain esay jee yeh sora maida hee hay mazrat chahtee hoon mistyping ho gaye! ye sahi say samajh nahi aaya k kiya likha hay Woh log Qattan ( yani qatye tor per jis bat main zara bhi shak na ho ..) Kaffir ho gayee jinho nay kaha ALLAH teen main say aik hay ( isaiyoon 3 khuda ko mantay hain or us main say aik ALLAH ko kehtay hain ) wo Arabi ya Urdu may hay yahan tu hum roman urdu likhtay hein tabhi hum esa kartay hein. nahi uedu arbi ki koi qaid nahi jub bhi APP SALAL ALLAHO ALYHI WASALAM KA NAM likha jaye ga kisi bhi zaban main ho poora droord kay sath likha jaye ga yani Muhammad Salallaho alyhi wasalam ! Aaman_iman> Rukh>> JzakAllah..aap nai ab etnay acchay tareeqay sai baat ke hai k ab koi confusion baki nahi rehi ..Allah tala aap kai ilm main ezafa keray..or muj jesai nikamay loogon ka bhala be ho jay Aameen Jazak Allah ..samjhana woh bhi net per aik bohat mushkil kam hay .face to face ho to kuch asan hota hay ..ALLAH ki madad shaml-e-hal rahe to hum zaroor hidyat ka rasta he pain gay ! duaaon main plz zaroor yad rukhain bohat sakht zaroort hay ..Allah app sub ko jazay-e-khair ata keray n batoon main in rastoon main hosla afzaye kernay wala , rehnumaye kernay wala .madad kernay waka sub aik jaisai sawab main shreek hain hadees main hain jis ka mafhoom hain ..koi naikeeki teraf sirf rehnumaye he kerday woh sawab main us naike per Ammal kernay walay he ki terha hay Edited April 22, 2005 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted April 22, 2005 (edited) Sanum > Question ! ab ye baat k kafir koun hota hay wo jo Allah say inkar karay rad karay tu ye tu ahlay kitaab hein balkay hamaray deen nay in say muslim males ko un say shadi tak ki iajzat di hay.. yeh bat jub wazih hogye kay ahle kitab ka Kafir hona bhi Quran he say sabit hay to ab hum agle bat per atay hain rahe ahl-e-kitab ki awrton say nikah .to yeh quran say sabit hay ..lakin is ki tafseer main ulma nay likha ..woh ahl-e-kitab ji hazrat isa nay jo talemat pohnchaye un per he iman rakhtay hoon ..or yad rahay hazrat isa ki kitab main MUHAMMAD Salla alho alyhi waslam ka bhi zikker tha kay isaye un per iman lain gay ...or shadi is neyat say kerna k us awrat ko muslman karon ga! bhrhal yeh masla bohat nazuk hay kion k ajj kal k ahl-e-kitab jis mazhab per hain woh hazrat ISSA ki talemmat nahi hain .apna man ghrat hain .layhaza ab NIKAH say pehlay app ulma say pehlay poochain gay wohe behter or berhaq bat bata saktay hain !  aap nay jo firoon ki misal de tu meri jaan wo tu khoud ko khouda manta tha uska tu koi deen tha he nahi...kehta tha k mango tu mujh say mango...usay kai dafa sahi deen samjhaya gaya par wo manay he nahi ... firoon,nimrood,yamaan,karoon ye sab khoud ko khouda kehlatay thay aur samajhtay thay kisi mazhab Firoon khud ko KHUDA manta tha ...yeh us kay KUFFER kernay ka tareeqa tha Kaffir lafz ka mutlub hay , Allah ki banaye hoye hadoon ko tornay wala ..munker or serkash ! ab yeh cheezin jin jin logon main paye jain woh Kafirr ho ga ! or zahir hay her aik ka tareeqa alag ho ga ..jis kay pas jitne taqat hay woh use layhaz say kuffer ker rahay hai tu yahi khouf kisi non muslim k dil may bhi tu kabhi na kabhi aasakta hay natum nay marnay k baad kiya hoga parhi hay usmay likha tha k qabrain bhi change ho jati hein yani boray insaan ki qabar may acha insan aasakta hay aur achay k bora k bazahir hamari nazar may wo achay tha laykin tha bora aur esi tarha bora tha kuch aur is ka jawab ibadat bohat acha dey chuke hain main mazed yeh azafa keron ge k ! khouf alag cheez hay IMAN lana alag cheez hay Muhammad Salal Allaho alyhi waslam kay Chacha abu talib dil say is bat ko mantay thay kay islam deen --berhaq hay .. lakin woh iman nahi laye sirf is khof say kay baradre kia kahay gee Muhamad Salal Allho alyhii waslam nay abu talib koo jub woh akhre sanoos per thay tub bhi kaha tha kay app meray kan main he kalma perh dain takay main ap ki shafat ker doon .. hazrat Ibrhim kay walid mushrik thay jib woh mer gaye to hazrat Ibrahim alyhi salam 70 70 dafa un kay ley astghfar kertay kay Allah un ko bukhsh day ..or App salal Allho ayhi walsam 70 dafa say zyada fermatay abu talib ki bakhshish kay ley per Allah nay quran main is per fermaya jis ka mafhom hay tum 70 dafa astghfar kero ya is say zyaada kafir kabhi nahi baksha jaye ga firoon nay bhi Doobtay waqt kaha tha main main moosa kay rub per iman laya .. per mertay waqt iman lanay ka aitbar nahi hai ..azab dekh ker to her koi iman lay ata hay islam to nam hay iman bil ghaib ka bin dekhay iman lana ! or iman wohe muatber hay jo mertay waqt bhi dil main mojod ho ..yah nahi kay zindge main to muslman raha or akhre dino main murtad ho gya to ab woh baksha ja sakta hay nahi .. her ammal her naike her iman jo mertay waqy bhi dil main mojood tha ! or naike or ammal bhi wohe akhrat main mautber hey jo iman ki halat main kia ho! kafir kay achay ammal ager hoo to us ka badla duniya main milta hay or akhrat main ajeer sawab sirf muslmano kay ley hee hay ! Qabroon ka badal jana ...? achay bura kis layhaz say .ager app ka yeh khiyal hay kay koi kaffir meray or qaber main ja ker woh acha ban jayee to yeh to Quran ki khilaf bat hay bake han kisi muslman kay ley yeh bat ho sakte hay apni kisi ammal ki wajh say us kay gunah ALLAH baksh day or azba-e-qaber say buch jaye ..ya qabber main us ko azab ho raha ho or woh duniya main koi aisa ammal ker gya jo us kay ley sadq-e-jariya bun gya to us ka AZAB kahtum ho jaye jaisai aik waqiya hay kay aik shaks ko azab-e-qaber ho raha tha ..to aik din us ko azab nahi milta to woh poochta hay kay aisa kia hoa jis per mujhay baksh diya gya ALLAH fermatay ajj tumhay baytay nay jo tumharay baytay nay quran perhna shro kia hay ..! yane olad kay naik ammla waldain kay ley sadq-e-jaria bantay hain ! ager yeh batain clear ho gayeen to hum agay chaltay hain ..kuch pochna ho to yahen poochain ..takay agay ki batain samjhnay main asane rahay ! Edited April 22, 2005 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted April 22, 2005 SANUM wo jo Sayyadena Umar e Farooq wali baat main ne kahii wo us ka taseeh karoo gi ... asal ye thi ke Sayyeden Hazrat e Hamza RaziAllahtalaanhu ne farmay tha ke "Agar mukhlisana aya hain tu behtar warna usi ki talwar se us ka sar kalam kar dia jaye ga" Hazrat Umar RAziAllahtalaanhu ne andar kada mrakh tu Rasool Sallallahua alehey walehi wasalam kud agey barhey or un ke dunu bazo pakar kar hilaye or farmya AEY Umar kia irada hain? phir gaey unhu ne kabool kar liya Deen e Haq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanum 0 Posted April 22, 2005 (edited) Eman>>> welcome back dear ab kesi tabiyat hay :) Ibadat>>>thanx nahi uedu arbi ki koi qaid nahi jub bhi APP SALAL ALLAHO ALYHI WASALAM KA NAM likha jaye ga kisi bhi zaban main ho poora droord kay sath likha jaye ga yani Muhammad Salallaho alyhi wasalam ! Inshallah aagey say kabhi galati nahi hogi Jazak Allah ..samjhana woh bhi net per aik bohat mushkil kam hay .face to face ho to kuch asan hota hay ..ALLAH ki madad shaml-e-hal rahe to hum zaroor hidyat ka rasta he pain gay ! Rukh sach may dil say duain nikaltein hein tumharay liye ...jis menat aur lagan say tum samjhati ho tu sach may araam say aur sahi say samajh aajata hay mashallah...sahi kaha bus Allah hamesha apna karam rakhey aur gumrahi say bachaey...Ameen tum nay notice kiya hoga k Sanum start may kesi thi aur ab in saloon may kesi hay eska kafi had tak credit tumhain bhi jata hay k jahan manay kaheen gallat baat ya shak ko zaher kiya tum nay foran sahi say quran ki misaloon say osay waheen khatum kar deya aur meri justajo aur lagan me ezafay ka bais tum bhi ho k agar tum koshish na kartein Allah ki madad say tu main un adhoray sawaloon k sath abhi bhi soch may he hoti ... Jazakallah aur Allah tumharay Ilm may aur izafa karay sehat aur tandurusti k sath Ameen rahe ahl-e-kitab ki awrton say nikah .to yeh quran say sabit hay ..lakin is ki tafseer main ulma nay likha ..woh ahl-e-kitab ji hazrat isa nay jo talemat pohnchaye un per he iman rakhtay hoon ..or yad rahay hazrat isa ki kitab main MUHAMMAD Salla alho alyhi waslam ka bhi zikker tha kay isaye un per iman lain gay ...or shadi is neyat say kerna k us awrat ko muslman karon ga! aap nay khamakha itni tafseel di ahlay kitab say shadi k baray may jab k oska yahan koi lena dena nahi...manay ye misla es liye de thi k wo kafir nahi bus yeek daleel thi meri...jo k ab baykar hay k aap nay sab byan kar deya hay tafseel say Jazakallah ab yeh cheezin jin jin logon main paye jain woh Kafirr ho ga ! or zahir hay her aik ka tareeqa alag ho ga ..jis kay pas jitne taqat hay woh use layhaz say kuffer ker rahay hai ji bilkul tabhi Allah duniya may onki rassi dheeli kar deta hay k karlo mun mani k lout k tu osi k pass jana hay Muhammad Salal Allaho alyhi waslam kay Chacha abu talib dil say is bat ko mantay thay kay islam deen --berhaq hay .. lakin woh iman nahi laye sirf is khof say kay baradre kia kahay geeMuhamad Salal Allho alyhii waslam nay abu talib koo jub woh akhre sanoos per thay tub bhi kaha tha kay app meray kan main he kalma perh dain takay main ap ki shafat ker doon .. yahan main ek izafa karoon gi agar gallat hoon tu zaroor bataey ga last may Abu Talib nay Hazrat MUhammad Salalaho Alaih waslum say kaha tha k ager main ab kalama parhoon ga tu log ye kahain gay k manay mout k khouf say esa kiya na k iman ki wajha say firoon nay bhi Doobtay waqt kaha tha main main moosa kay rub per iman laya ..per mertay waqt iman lanay ka aitbar nahi hai ..azab dekh ker to her koi iman lay ata hay martay waqt jab koi mout k farishtay ko dekh lay tu tab bhi toba qabool nahi hoti sahi na achay bura kis layhaz say .ager app ka yeh khiyal hay kay koi kaffir meray or qaber main ja ker woh acha ban jayee to yeh to Quran ki khilaf bat hay rukh esa manay marnay k baad kiya hoga us kitab may parha tha nahi mera esa khayal kesay ho sakta hay k jo kuch hay esi zindagi may hay baad may yani marnay k baad tu sirf hisab kitab aur saza aur jaza hay bus jaisai aik waqiya hay kay aik shaks ko azab-e-qaber ho raha tha ..to aik din us ko azab nahi milta to woh poochta hay kay aisa kia hoa jis per mujhay baksh diya gya ALLAH fermatay ajj tumhay baytay nay jo tumharay baytay nay quran perhna shro kia hay ..! yane olad kay naik ammla waldain kay ley sadq-e-jaria bantay hain Qabar may tu monker nakeer aatay hein na tu jawab bhi wahi dain gay na k Allah esay bus clear kar dena ager yeh batain clear ho gayeen to hum agay chaltay hain ..kuch pochna ho to yahen poochain ..takay agay ki batain samjhnay main asane rahay Jazakallah sab bohat asaan tha ...araam say samajh aagaya...bayshak aap aagay chalain ... akhir may aap k liye dhairoon duain K Allah Pak aap ko iska behtreen ajar day Ameen Edited April 22, 2005 by sanum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaman_Eman 0 Posted April 23, 2005 Rukh >> aap ko kehnay ke zaroorat nahi..InshAllah meri Duaa main aap sab ka hissa be hoga. Sanum>> buht sara thankss: flower: g Allah ka shuker hai k main ab theek hon..sanum aap nai jo ye likha hai... Â rukh esa manay marnay k baad kiya hoga us kitab may parha tha nahi mera esa khayal kesay ho sakta hay k jo kuch hay esi zindagi may hay baad may yani marnay k baad tu sirf hisab kitab aur saza aur jaza hay bus mujay ye baat samajh nahi aayee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanum 0 Posted April 24, 2005 mujay ye baat samajh nahi aayee. Aaman ab kesi ho dear apna bohat sara khayal rakhna rest aur khanay peenay ki sorat may ok :flower: kiya samajh nahi aaya actually previous page pay manay kaha k ek baak jis ka naam hay Marnay k baad kiya hoga...us may likha tha k marnay k baad mordoon ki qabrain aapas may change ho jati hein mara ye reply tha tum nay marnay k baad kiya hoga parhi hay usmay likha tha k qabrain bhi change ho jati hein yani boray insaan ki qabar may acha insan aasakta hay aur achay k bora k bazahir hamari nazar may wo achay tha laykin tha bora aur esi tarha bora tha kuch aur es reply k jawab may rukh ka reply tha Qabroon ka badal jana ...?achay bura kis layhaz say .ager app ka yeh khiyal hay kay koi kaffir meray or qaber main ja ker woh acha ban jayee to yeh to Quran ki khilaf bat hay jis say manay ye samjha k rukh ye samjhi hay meri baat ko k main ye kehna chah rahi hoon k marnay k baad insaan naik ho jata hay jab k marnay k baad naik aur bora honay k tu koi chances he nahi k yehi zindagi tu imtihaan hay yaheen hamain acha bora bunna hay jab k marnay k baad qabar may sirf saza aur jazaa/inaam hay tabhi maera reply wo tha jesay tum nay quote kiya tha omeed hay ab samajh aagaya hoga ager nahi tu phir say zaroor pochna :) sath may ye bhi batana k kiya samajh nahi aaya...theeeeeeeeeek Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaman_Eman 0 Posted April 24, 2005 (edited) sorry rukh Edited May 17, 2005 by AAMAN_EMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted April 25, 2005 tum nay notice kiya hoga k Sanum start may kesi thi aur ab in saloon may kesi hay sanum > yes there is big change in ur personailty ..lakin yeh change behtre ki teraf hai .... or is main mera koi hath nahi buklay waqt or halat insan ki sochoon kay der wa kertay rehtay hain bohat se chezain or batain jo nazron say ojhal hote hain samnay ajate hain ...to phir insan kay ander kaheen sub kuch badlnay lagta hay ...or ager yeh badlna ishq-e-haqeqe ki teraf ho to samjh jain ALLAH nay app ko Chun liya hay kion k hadees hay Allah jis kay sath Khair ka mamla fermatay hain ussay Deen ki samjh ata fermatay hain martay waqt jab koi mout k farishtay ko dekh lay tu tab bhi toba qabool nahi hoti sahi na jee bilkul sahe kaha ..isee ley to quran main ata or woh log jo iman laye bin dekhay hee .... islam Aqal per nahi Naqal per hay aqal to kabhi taslem he na keray kay aik cheez jo nazar na aye us ko manoo .is ley to kehtay Aqal ki rehnumaye jub tuk quran hadees or salf-e-salhen ki talemat say na kee jaye to woh hidyat tuk kabhi na pohnchaye ! Qabar may tu monker nakeer aatay hein na tu jawab bhi wahi dain gay na k Allah esay bus clear kar dena munker nakeer to sawalat key ley aiin gay ..lakin ALLAH tala ka yahan fermana bhi FRISHTOON kay zareye hee hoga .. ab woh kon say farishtay hain ...yeh ilm nahi .. Rukh >> aap ko kehnay ke zaroorat nahi..InshAllah meri Duaa main aap sab ka hissa be hoga aaman_Iman main app logon ki shuker guzar hoon jo app log mere posts ko perhtay hain ...mera ilm koi khas to nahi ...is ley main khud say to kam he likhte hoon pehlay apni teacher say moqtly sare batain clear ker layte hoon ..jahan ghalte ho jaye samjh jaye kerain mainy apni bewakofe marnay ki koshish ke hay lolzz InshAllah main jald hee baqe answers post keroon gee ..ho sakta hay hay ajj he ker don ager waqt mil jaye to ! Jazakmullaho khira wa ahsan ul jaza! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted April 29, 2005 k aur baat ki tafseel chahon g aur osay clear karna chah rahi hoon k yaheen aap nay jo yahood aur nasara ka hawala deya tu phir hamain ye kaha gaya k muslim Quran say pehli asmani kitaboon ko bhi manain par ye bhi kaha gaya k un main radobadal hay... .jab k ye baat khoud hamain nabi nay bataey siray se he onhain na mannay ka hoqum kyun nahi hay?yahan aap ye mat kehna k pehlay wo othari tu Allah he taraf se thein kehnay ka maksad kiya hay I hope k aap samajh jain main sahi say samjha nahi pa rahi Asmani kitaboon per iman lainay say murad yeh her giz nahi hay kay un ko perhna or un per ammal kerna ..bulkay murad yeh kay hum is bat per iman latay hain kay Allah ki teraf say asmani kitabain anbia per utare gayeen ..Sirf nafse- kutab ka anbia per nazool hona is per iman lana hay ... or un kitaboon main rado badal jo hoyen woh Quran say bhi sabit hay .or un kitaboon say muslmanoo kay ley koi hukam sabit nahi ..kay APP SALAL Alaho alyhi waslam jo shreyat laye hum use kay muqalaf hain ..baqe sabqa adyan Mansookh hain is bat say yeh mutlub lainay kay un kitabon per aisa iman kay jo un main likha hay us per ammal kerna hay yeh murad nahi hay Qaymat kay din tmam umatoon say poocha jaye ga kay inki teraf jo anbia bhejay gay woh kion na us per iman laye to woh umatain INKAR KER DAIN GE KAY HUM PER KOI KITAB YA nABI AYA HEE NAHI ..phir un anbia say poocha jaye ga kay tumharay pass kia Gawahe hay kay tum in qoomon per bhejay gayee to tamam Anbia UMMAT-E-MUHAMDEE ki teraf ishara kerain gee kay yeh hamray Gawah hain in ki kitab main yeh sub bayan hain kay hum in qomoon per bhejaye gaye ! ab app ko samjh agya Asmani kitabon per iman lanay say kia murad hay ?? ____________________________________________________________________ 2 nd Part abhi sirf ye clear ho jaey k deen Islam hay kiya sirf Ibadat aur non muslim say nafrat. Islam sirf IBadat hee ka Nam hay ..ab app ibadat say sirf namaz roza haj samjhain to yeh murad nahi hai Ibadat say murad her her Woh kam or Ammal hay jo Allah kay hukam kay mutabiq or us ki Raza hasil ker kay ley kia jayee ..is ko Ibadat kehtay hain Non muslims say nafrat kerna ? main apni post main bar bar yeh wazahat kee kay hum kisi ki ZAAT say nafrat nahi kertay .. woh Non muslims jo hamray Deen kay ley nuqsan deh nahi jo hamray Deen ko nuqsan nahi pohncha rahay un say husn-e- salook rakhna un say hamderde k salook rakhna to shreyat say sabit hay ... is bat ki to hum bhi tergheb daytay hain ager app ka parsoee kafir hay to woh parosion kay haqooq aik muslman main hotay hain kafir kay ley bhi hain ... lakin jahan inhoon nay islam per hamla kia kisi bhi tareeqay say wahan humare in say JANG hay kion kALLAH nay bhi in say JANG ka ylan kia RASOOL nay in say JAHAD kia to hum apnay ALLAH or Rasool ki ataat kernay walay bhi yehe keran gay ager app yeh kahain kay kashmeer main hamla awar indian forces say app nafrat na kerain app phalastenemain yahdion say nafrat na kerain app iraq or afghanistan main amercian fojion say nafrat na kerain bulkay un kay ley gifts bhejain un kay sath achay tareqay say pasih aain to app yahan ISlam kay khilaf ammal kerain gay ..yahan to Jahad kerna hay Marna hay or Merna hay .. Sora infal sira muhamad app perhain us main kia likhahay .. her hukam apnai jagha hay ...husna-e-salok jahan kena hay hum ahan husn-e-salok keran gay jahan j Jahad hay wahan jahad kerain gay Nafrat hum Kuffer say kertay hain kion kay ALALH bhi in say bayzar hay .. ab yahan app yeh samjhain kay main yeh keh rahe hoon kay her non muslimko ja ker mar do us per zulm kero to yeh ghalat hay ..bat ka mqsad samjhain .. her hukam alag hay or her hukam ko us ki jgah rakh ker ammal kerna hay! yeh bat kia claer ho gayee ya mazeed wazhat kernay ki zaroorat hay ? app aram say replies perhain sochain samjhain ..koi jalde nahi ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted May 8, 2005 mmm sanum hamree bat wahan say agay chal pare thee per shaid app mere bat ko samjh nahi pa rahee yahan hamre posts ka discusion HUSN-E-AKHLAQ per nahi chal raha tha ... Pop ka nam lay ker mainy jo muzamat ki or in jaisai kaufar i jo Deen islam ko nuqsan pohncha rahay un ki muzamat kernay ko kaha tha jub yeh bat clear ho chukee ko jo kuffar islam kay dushman nahi un say humare jang hay he nahi na main yahan un logon ki bat ker rahee hoon Jahad deen kay dushmano kay khilaf hee hota hay zati dushmani ko jahad kehtay bhi nahi bherhal Shaks walee bat jo app nay ki woh mere samjh say bahir hai app ki post ka mutlub yoon banta jahadkuffer kay khilaf kerain gay na kay kissi shaks kay sath?? kuffer aik FAIL hay jo koi shaks hee apnata hay ... or aisa shaks jo kuffer per na sirf Arr jaye or dosroon per bhi apna kuffer muslat keray us say to JAHAD farz hai mujhay app ki post bilkul samjh nahi ayee .... app ko mere kis bat say ikhtilaf hay ya app kia kehna chah rahee hain plz wazahat fermain .. Jazakumullaho khiara ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanum 0 Posted May 10, 2005 (edited) rukh>>> Aslam O Alaikum kahan ghaib hain aap itnay dinno say :o actually mera masag kuch nahi tha ...aap ko kiya samajh nahi aaya .... pochnay ya samajhnay walli koi baat nahi meray kehnay ka maqsad ye tha k achi khasi batoon aap bata rahi thein aur hum phir pechay chalay gaey osi bahis pay wapis jahan say ye sari batain start hoey thein bus yahi kehna tha ...pop apnay mazahib k logon ko gumrah ya jo kuch tha onhain he kar raha tha phir tu wo maar gaya phir osay kiya kehna aur ye unka religious tradition hay aap ka ye kehna gallat tha k shir khatum hoa jab k uski jagha ek aur new pop nay lay lei...us k baad phir koi aur aaey ga aur ye silsila chalta rahay ga... Edited May 10, 2005 by sanum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
