S.Wajid Iqbal 0 Posted August 16, 2003 hello nice Nadan ..... waisay fati tum nadan kai baton ka bura nahi mano kion kai mai daikh raha hoon kai ye english ppl.z and english culture se kuch ziada hi impresive ho gaya hai ..... haan to ab mai nadan ki taraf aata hoon ...... bhai nadan pehli baat to ye kai aap ka nick hi aisa hai kai mughay nadan kai saath bhai lagana parta hai ... haan to pehli baat to ye kai afsos hai kai jab khud aik aisa insan jo muslim to nahi hai magar apnay aap ko kehta hai jis ka nick nadan hai ..... tum keh rahay ho kai islam mai koi chez impresive nahi hai ...... mai pochta hoon kai kia chez impresive nahi hai .... zahir hai jab tum Allah ki ibadat hi nahi karo gay to tum ko Allah ki ibadat ki ehmiyat ka kaisay pata chalay ga ..... ye baat fact hai kai agar insan achi chez ko time na day to woh bhi buri ho jati hai aur agar buri cheez ko time dai to woh uski nazar mai achi ho jati hai jis ki best example sharab aur sigrett hai .... jo insan sharab nahi peeta espacially muslims is liyay humay maloom hai kai sharaab haraam hai .... magar mai 100 % syurity se ye baat keh raha hoon kai agar kal se aap nai sharab bhi peeni shuro kar di to kaho gay kai sharab attractive cheez hai aur pata nahi kion islam nai haraam kar dia hai ...... ab zahir hai kai tv dish nai muslims ko break kar dia hai ..... ab kuch log to aisay hain jo had se ziada modern honay ko acha nahi samajhtay isi liyay tv cable se nafrat hai .... un ko namaz roza pasand hai ..... aur girls bhi sirf namaz rozay aur parday mai hi achi lagti hain .... ab jab aap jaisay log 24 hour english movies daikhaingay aur zahir hai kai ye koi chupi baat nahi hai kai english movies kitni giri hui hoti hain .... jab aap apna har waqt un fazol chezon ko daikhnay mai serve karogay to zahir hai woh aap ki nazar mai achi chez ho jay gi ..... warna i m sure kai jitna attraction islam religion mai hai utna kisi religion mai nahi isi liyay ye record hai kai every yr. sab se ziada log non-muslims se muslims hotay hain .... zahir hai koi islam mai baat hai isi liyay hotay hain ... mughay to is baat par sharam aa rahi hai kai aik muslims jis ko kai apna eeman apni zindagi se ziada azez hona chahiyay taa kay us kai religion ko unity milay woh khud hi islam kai against ja raha hai to islam kia agay wali zindagi mai bqi reh sakay ga ??? ..... sharam karo kai non-muslims ko maloom hai kai english cheezon mai kitni buri hai kai ab muslims ho rahay hain aur aap muslims ho kar aisi baat kar rahay ho .... shame on u ... plz think abt it with sincerity :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NaDaN 0 Posted August 17, 2003 well i wasn't awear about that You will take this to very wrong way... with due respect Mr. Wajid.. malom nahee wats YOur problem... app kisi ko bhi j marzee bul dain.. may nay ISLAM ka ek dafa bhi ziker nahee kiya tha... cus i dont think i m capable of discussing such a big issue.. rather i dont belive there is any Q about it... all i was talking about was.. just an english and pakistani culture.. regardless of religions.. i really wana ask all who is reading this message.. do they think i did something which Mr Wajid merntion in his post.. please i really concern to Your al answers... and Mr Wajid have thought before writing.. wat You actully writing to me... where i get personal with You.. why are You so Erogant..."haan to pehli baat to ye kai afsos hai kai jab khud aik aisa insan jo muslim to nahi hai magar apnay aap ko kehta hai jis ka nick nadan hai ..... tum keh rahay ho kai islam mai koi chez impresive nahi hai ...... mai pochta hoon kai kia chez impresive nahi hai .... zahir hai jab tum Allah ki ibadat hi nahi karo gay to tum ko Allah ki ibadat ki ehmiyat ka kaisay pata chalay ga ..... " You r not the only one around Mr. anyways i really want this to be done here.. still i m stick to my point and that was not actully about Islam.. that is about culture Pakistani Culture.. STILL I am really sorry if something made You think like this.. but plz do think .. fult wasn't in me.. this is how You always take it.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted August 17, 2003 according to my opinion, it really isnt bad in islam to tell the love one , that u love them. its just a difference in culture. the things that saddens me isnot that v r celebrating valentines day or any other day of other culture, but its the way v celebrate it. v celebrate these days with more enthuiasm as compared to our own days. the thing is this... always b moderate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiran 2 Posted August 17, 2003 Assalam O Alikum! hmmm well wajid u couldn't get nadan's point of view he was right i m not refusing u but he was sharing his opinion no doubt we r crazy about ENGLISH SYSTUM but we don't accept that we adopt their bad habits but ever u think TV n Cable aren't bad we made or we use in that sense i m not in AGAINST of u, u were right too but there r many programs about ISLAM n Science it depends on our MENTALITY n remember i m not in AGAINST so don't call me NON MUSLIM i m Alhumdulilah MUSLIM bye Kiran Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S.Wajid Iqbal 0 Posted August 18, 2003 but he told when i told him tht 14th feb. is english day and its not our culture to celebrate other religious days or interfere in any others days ...... hum ko chahiyay kai pehlay apnay aap ko daikhain . zahir hai jab aik person apna kaam complete kar laita hai baad mai hi dosaray ki problems ko solve karnay ki sochta hai ... isi tarha mairay khayal mai humain chahiyay kai pehlay hum apni religion ko aur apnay aap ko daikhain .... phir dosaroon kai kaam mai interfere karain .... haan agar tamaam mulims financial aur har sight se ok hotay to mai kuch nahi kehta kai dosaroon mai interfere karain ..... magar jab hum muslims khud hi kamzoor ho chukay hain to humara farz hai kai apnay aap ko mazboot karain ...na kai apni halaat par tawazzah na dain aur dosaroon ki zandagi mai mast rahain ..... phir nadan bhai nai kaha kai pakistan kai culture se ziada acha culture english culture kaisay ho sakta hai ... kabhi shop walay ko daikha hai kai woh kahay kai mairi sabzi ki dukan mai koi sabzi taaza nahi is liyay barabar walay kai pas achi sabzi hai mughay chor ho us se sabzi lain ... kia kabhi aisa hua hai ... isi tarha hum ko chahiyay kai hum pakistani mai agar koi culture extra ya fazool hai to us ko point out karain na kai dosaray khas kar english culture ko daikhain ... waisay aik baat abhi tak mairay samajh mai nahi aai kai nadan bhai ko english culture kis angle se acha lag raha hai ..... english culture mai man aur woman ka koi difference nahi hai kia ye hi acha culture hai ..... english culture mai hai kai apni nation aur apnay country par paisay aur jaan kharch karnay kai bajaay girl friend aur boy friend par paisay phaiktay raho ... kia ye acha culture hai .. agar nahi to phir aap nai koi se angle se english culture ko daikha hai jo aap ko pakistan culture se ziada pasand aay ???? plz tell me .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NaDaN 0 Posted August 18, 2003 Wajid Stop It! Ok Enough... Why You Can't Accpet littel things! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiran 2 Posted August 18, 2003 uffffffffffffffffffff wajid it can be said END IN SMOKE ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NaDaN 0 Posted August 18, 2003 Thanks Kiran! though i started thinking,.. that i might said something very wrong! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted August 18, 2003 wajid as u said ke insan ko pehlay khud ko dekhna chahiya. first look at urself. u dont have any right to taunt others. no lectures required. :P there is no big problem in celebrating these days but one shudnt cross the limits. thats all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S.Wajid Iqbal 0 Posted August 18, 2003 acha bhai ab sab kehtay hain to mai maan jata hoon koi explaination nahi daita ok ..... magar aik baat sab yaad rakhain kai aik to ye hai insan ko haqeqat ka samna karna chahiyay kion kai aakhir kab tak insan haqeqat se aankh churata rahay ga .... 2nd ye kai aaj jo ye hum pakiez ki condition ho gai hai woh sirf isi liyay hui hai kai jo baatai humain achi lagti hain un mai to hum barh charh kar boltay hain ur un baatoon mai izafa bhi kartay hain magar haqeqat jaisi baaton aur woh baatain jo humay achi nahi lagti magar haqeqat hoti hai us se hum aankh churatay hain .. jis ki wajah se pakistan ka koi problem bhi solve naho ho pata kion kai hum aaraam chahtay hain ... problem to koi farishtay aa kar khud solve kar laingay ..... hum nai to duniya mai sirf larkoon ya larkiyon kai pyar mai marna sekha hai shayad ...... magar ye sab haqeqat se hum logoon ko bohat door kar rahi hain :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiran 2 Posted August 19, 2003 hmmmm nadan my pleasure n u r right Fati nobody has right to point out somebody else ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted August 19, 2003 I dont know why Wajid turns every topic to its extreme Islam is a religion of peace and love and its every day is like a valentines day so i dont think that there is no fault in celebrating a day to show your loved ones that how much you love them and love doesn't mean that you love an opposite gender but the person you love can be a friend, brother, sister or parents .... only an indian culture and movies give us an idea of love that it can be with opposite gender only. This topic just describes the possible Good qualities you can find in a good friend or a partner. and Kiran you are right Wajid cant get the point of NaDan. A suggestion 4u Wajid you must read and think twice :) Waqas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NaDaN 0 Posted August 19, 2003 Thanks Waqas.. !! :flower: .. anyways Wajid my intentions were never meant to disturb anyone.. but as i can very well sence that You did get disturb.. I am really sorry for that.. but just try to argu as a ganeral topic..no personal stuff.. thanks Again Waqas! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S.Wajid Iqbal 0 Posted August 19, 2003 waisay waqas bhai mainay kab kaha kai islam ka koi din valentien`s day se kum hai magar mai espacially 14 th fab. kai valentien`s day ki baat kar raha tha kion kai nadan bhai nai 14 fab. ki baat ki thi ...... aap nai shayad mairay point ko sahi catch nahi kia ... i m talkiong abt 14 fab. valentien`s day ... well nadan bhai its ok .... its my nature kai agar koi baat nature kai against hoti hai to mai apnay expression ko control nahi kar pata aur extra emotional ho jata hoon ... i m really sorry if my any points hurt ok .... ok thx to share ur points .... i think my comments bore u and other users too ... thts y i hv to leave now from this topic and also think abt to leave this forum inculding coolyar with very sincerity .... if my mind will give me suggestion to leave this forum then i will leave this forum and coolyar team and user with in a week .... ok thx every body to give me ur time ok thx bye :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiran 2 Posted August 19, 2003 hi! hey wajid what's wrong r u leaving this forum? that's not right way i won't insist u to stay here or leave but remember if u criticize someone then u must have tolerance that u can being criticized so it's ur wish either u leave or stay have fun bye Kiran Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted August 19, 2003 You are right Kiran People use this community to pass their time happily and share ideas and views with others but no one will like their insult. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted August 19, 2003 i think v all shud stay calm. nadan said that he celebrates valentines day, though an english day, isnot that bad celebrating it.... ya v shud try to mend ourselves.. and shud also try to mend others. but everything has its own proper way. even criticising could be done in a really polite manner , in such a way that the other person wont feel it hard on him. wajid its really nice of u to care about others and to feel that the other person shud try to b more good. but a little bit change is required in ur expression too. really nobody will like their insult,,, and u dont have to leave the forum. v all r here for discussing. v all r friends. u r welcome u. u r a member! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S.Wajid Iqbal 0 Posted August 19, 2003 thx every budy here ..... i m agree with u all kiran waqas and fati too ..... its fact tht no budy will like ttheir insult ... magar mai kia karoon mughay facts aur haqeqat bolnay ki aadat hai .... ab agar koi un mai apni insult feel karta hai to i think kai kisi par blame se pehlay khud ko to daikh laina chahiyay kai jo baat us ko insult lag rahi hai kahin aisa to nahi kai woh baat aap mai hai aur aap ko maloom nahi pahlay insan ko ye daikhna chahiyay kai agar koi aap ko kuch bool raha hai to kion bool raha hai ... zahir hai har baat ki koi reason hoti hai ... yaa to woh aap se jal raha hai aur jhoot bol raha hai ya phir waqai aap mai woh burai hai jo aap ko insult lag rahi hai ..... ab aap khud hi daikh lain kai agar ap ko mai mulaqat kisi pakistani leader se karwa doon .... aur ye fact hai kai guzaray huay sab hi leaders nai taqreban country aur nation ko nukhsaan dia hai ... ab agar aap un kai samnay fact bolain kai aap ki wajah se aap ki nation ko bohat difficulties ka samna karna para to kia ye un ka right hai kai kahain kai in baaton mai un ki insult hai is liyay is ko mulk badar kar dia jay .... kia ye sahi baat ho gi ? zahir hai jo fact hai woh hai ......... similarly i know kai jo baatain mai kehta hoon woh thori bohat mirchay wali hoti hai magar 100 percent fact hota hai ab agar un fact mai insan ko agar insult feel ho rahi hai to us ko chahiyay kai pehlay apni nature aur apnay culture ko daikhay aur agar un sahab ko apni nature par woh burai dikhai na dai to us ka right hai kai mughay directly point out karay kay bhai aap nai ye baat jo ki hai is mai kahan par fact hai ....... aur jaisa aap sab keh rahay hain espacially kiran kai koi bhi insan apni insult bardasht nahi kar sakta jis ki wajah se agar mai chahon to yahan se leave kar jaon ...... aur fati aur waqas bhi is baat par agree hain .... ab mai bhi is baat par agree ho raha hoon kai kisi ko apnu insult achi nahi lagti aur mairi adat hai kai fact kehta hoon chaplosi se kaam nahi laita .... agar mairi is adat se aap ko insult feel hoti hai aur mughaay jo samajh mai aata hai keh daitay hain to mughay bhi insult fell hoti hai ... magar mainay pehlay daikha kai kia mugh mai woh kharabi hai jis ko aap point out kar rahay hain ... to mainay jana kai mugha mai ye burai hai kai fact kehta rehta hoon jo nahi kehna chahiyay magar aadat se m,ajbor hoon .... is liyay sooch raha hoon kai aap kai kisi bhi mashwaroon se balatar ho kar ab mughay yahan par apni thinkings paish nahi karni chahiyay kion kai pakistan mai fact naam ki koi cheez hi nahi :( ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiran 2 Posted August 20, 2003 hello, hmmm well wajid that's very nice u felt so soon about ur nature but it's not bad that one should OUT SPOKEN or EMOTIONAL but it's not reasonable everywhere. bye Kiran :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S.Wajid Iqbal 0 Posted August 20, 2003 ok ok .... waisay yeh kai mai sirf yahan par apni tension aur apna sir dard utaar raha tha kion kai aaj kal mairi studies fast ho rahi hain aur test bhi bohat ho rahay hain ... jis ki wajah se mughay ziada mehnat karni parh rahi hai achay numbers kai liyay ... aur phir us kai baad jitna ghussa aata hai woh yahan utaar daita hoon kion kai zahir hai ghar waloon par ghussa utar nahi saktay dost kai upper bhi nahi utaar saktay ab aik hi place bachi hai mairay liyay coolyar ... bus isi wajah se dosaroon kai samnay jo haqeqat mai mairay samnay hotay hain un kai samnay mai bohat acha aur khush ikhlaq hoon ...... bus yehi trick istemal kar raha hoon apnay aap ko tension free karnay kai liyay :P :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S.Wajid Iqbal 0 Posted August 20, 2003 ya thx ... magar ye kai mai yahan par apni tension utar raha tha ... asal mai baat ye hai na kai aaj kal mairi studies fast ho gai hain kion kai aaj kal test boohat ho rahay hain colleges aur centers mai jis ki wajah se ziada parhai karni parh rahi hai ta kai wajid still best rahay ab zahir hai itni mehnat kartay hain to sir mai dard ho jata hai aur tension ki wajah se insan ki nature change ho jati hai magar is ka hal mainay nikala hua jhai woh ye kai jitna tension aur sir dard h ota hai woh yahan par aap logon par baras kar nikal daita hoon jis ki wajah se mai apnay family aur dostoon kai samnay bohat acha aur khush ikhlaq samjha taha hoon ... aur mairay saray dost kehtay hain kai kabhi serious bjhi ho jaya karo aur mai kehta hoon kai serious hona mughay nahi aata jab kai yahan par mai hamesha serious ho kar baat karta hoon aur tips par tips daita rehta hoon jin ki aap ko zarorat bhi nahi ..... to is tarha mai apni nature ko kharab honay se bacha raha hoon ... warna jitna joke insan mai hoon woh fati aap ko bata sakti hain :P :D ... waisay agar mai ye na karoon to zahir hai tesion phir dostoon kai pas hi utarni paray gi jis ki wajah se dost bhi naraz hongay aur kahaingay kai mai quror karta hoon .... magar ab mai un kai samnay aik acha dost hoon .... ye hai mairi aqal :P :D thx thx .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiran 2 Posted August 20, 2003 Assalam O Alikum! wajid very bad IMPRESSION sorry to say u r quite selfish that u were expressing ur tensions it was really cheap Islam ke bare main yeh to woh bolte hain jinhe waqai KNOWLEDGE ho yeh phir woh jinhe sirf BOLNA atta hai u don't have right ke tum ISLAM ko issue bana ker apni TENSIONS nikalo BE CAREFUL NEXT TIME bye Kiran Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted August 21, 2003 A suggesstion for you Wajid you can start your own topic on valentines day like one started by Fati on April Fool bcoz its better than going off topic :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NaDaN 0 Posted August 21, 2003 Thanks Wajid.. and i m feeling very low cus You have also being hurt by me!! anyways my hearties Sorry! I hope and try to not bring out some stupid thought which might make you fustrate.. I am very sorry cus my intentions were never to make anyone feel bad.. anyways... i would request you to keep me in ur safe list!! and thank all of You rest.. for being my side.. Thanks alot.. well we better start some very friendly topic..now..and belive me i wont going to take chances to make other hurt by me.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted August 21, 2003 thx every budy here ..... i m agree with u all kiran waqas and fati too ..... its fact tht no budy will like ttheir insult ... magar mai kia karoon mughay facts aur haqeqat bolnay ki aadat hai .... ab agar koi un mai apni insult feel karta hai to i think kai kisi par blame se pehlay khud ko to daikh laina chahiyay kai jo baat us ko insult lag rahi hai kahin aisa to nahi kai woh baat aap mai hai aur aap ko maloom nahi pahlay insan ko ye daikhna chahiyay kai agar koi aap ko kuch bool raha hai to kion bool raha hai ... zahir hai har baat ki koi reason hoti hai ... well wajidd... gonna tell u one thing... this place is not to release ur anger. ..... and tensions.... u think that u r telling truth all the time.. u r 100% correct..... u think that u r the best.. u think that u cant ever make a mistake.... u think that u r very friendly.... and u r giving good tips to others...... but i think u r wrong who allowed u to say that the other person is not a good muslim. nadan didnt say that the religion islam is not impressive he said there is nothing impressive in us. and its right he meant that there is nothing impressive in us therefore the english people dont follow us and v follow them. and its true. that do follow them. if he celebrates an english day, and u dont know how does celebrate it how can u say that ke wo muslim nahi hai aur sirf kehta hay khud ko how much a pure muslim u r. u r blaming the other person for the thing he hasnt done u r going to an extreme pointing out others mistakes and telling them in a polite manner that they r in wrong is a good thing to do and thats a fact.. now first improve ur own behaviour and then teach others! nadan... its so good of u to tolerate others.. and to respond with patience.... its really gr8 and kiran i completely agree with u, its not the first time that extreme comments r passed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
