cute_ooky 0 Posted February 2, 2004 A group of people got crushed while throwing stones at Shaitan.. resulting in the death of 200 of them. :( Now all I want to know frum u is.. r u happy for the people because they died while performing hajj? Fate... or is that because the whole system is so unorganized.. Could we have prevented them frum dying and they wud be able to finish off their hajj widout any trouble or let it happen?? because they go to heaven anyways??? Note: there cud be kids or working men , wives.. mothers or elderly ppl All r dead! Inna lillahe wainna ilaehe raji-un! Should we do sumthing to prevent it or let it happen???? Waiting for replies, Aimon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted February 3, 2004 dont u think so ik sub mamlay main organization ko blame nahi ker saktay ..coz saudi gov nai HAJJIS ki sahooliayt kay ley jitna kam ki hai woh sub kay samnay hain or her sall woh is main izafa kertay hain yahan masla yeh hay kay log JAMRAT main pohnch ker ( throwing stones at shiatn ) bohat zyada emotional ho jatay hain ..or is dafa bhi yehee hoa jub 1st dead body nikalee gyee to logon main afra tafree mach gayee jis ki wajha mazeed log kuchlay gayee .. bherhal MOOT ka to bahana hota hai ..well hope so kai saudi organaization is main koi na koi hal nikalay gee ...lakin is hadsay main organaization say zyada HAJJIS ki ghaltyain zyada hotee hain .. ALLAH sai dua hay kai merhomeen ko jant-e-firdos main jagha atta fermaye or un kai hajj ko qabol fermaye ameeen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pakistani 0 Posted February 3, 2004 Salam Me yahaan yeh kehna chahoon ga ke sab se ziyada badnazmi shetano ko kankeriyan martay howe hee hotee hay or uss kee main reason logoon ka over emotional hona hay loog apni kankeriyan khatam kernay ke baad apni jootiyan utar ker marna shuroo ker detay hain or yeh haqeeqat hay ager aap yeh sochtay hain ke saudi gov kuch keray to yahee ho sakta hay ke saudia sab islamic countries me hujj school open ker lain or jin loogoon ne hujj per jana ho unhain pehlau kam az kam 1 month training dee jae medane Arfat me Aag lagna safa merwa kee saee kertay howe bhagder ka machna jable rehmat se slip ho ker hajiyoon ka girna hajere aswad ke bosay letay howe dantoo ka tootna or shetan ko kankeriyan martay howe loogoon ka jazbati hona bohat se matters hain jin kee islaah Hajiyoon kee terbiat ke ilawa or kuch nahee hay and i dont think that Saudia Gov is responsible for teaching Hajjies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted February 3, 2004 Inna lillahe wainna ilaehe raji-un! but its not the fault of the saudi government.. due to any misunderstanding a disturbance might have been created.. in such a big crowd such things do happen... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted February 3, 2004 Ooky Death toll in Hajj crush rises to 251 as 7 hurt pass away today and many more shaheed due to other reasons Well they all are shaheed and will go to Heaven Waqas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute_ooky 0 Posted February 3, 2004 Yes Waqas they will go to heaven but still I mean can't we prevent it from happening? i don't think u were in a mood to discuss.. anyways whenever u have a comment abt anything in here plz do share... I'd like to hear more frum other ppl too! NOW folks pardon me for not making myself clear here when I say the whole system, I m not blaming Saudi government for it.. But it's how we do it... yes what Rukh sed was exactly right.. Saudi governement had already done so much but the system i-e hajjis and hajj process is going really unorganized these days. What I mean by Hajj system is that we should have some kind of training just like Pakistani sed... it can prevent all this frum happeing and also can't we have proper line-ups at the shaitan place to throw stones at em.. instead of everyone rushing in and getting smushed together??? We can do lots to prevent it.. Once again I don't mean Saudi governement or their facilities by the word SYSTEM!!! Aimon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted February 3, 2004 No ooky i am in mood of posting thats why i posted here Aimon the Problem is that there is heavy croud of people there total Hajis were 20 lakh almost this year and these incident are normal in such big croud but the question is why it happens after stone throwing u have to leave withing short time so ppl get hurried and some old ppl crused Waqas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute_ooky 0 Posted February 5, 2004 SO WHY CAN'T THERE BE AN ORGANIZED SYSTEM???????? LINES??? Waqas I didn't mean to jump on u there wid my previous reply, it's just that u replied wid a sentence only so I thought sumone probably forced u to reply or sumthing when u really didn't want to :D No problemo. I get u now. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted February 5, 2004 ooky Saudi Government is not Like Pakistani :P they are planning to reduce or minimize it. Yesterday they decided to make 7 storied bridge ....strange na? i'll too belive when i see it with my eyes ;) Waqas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NaDaN 0 Posted February 5, 2004 hey yeah its True! n very sad news!... well actully there is no much space so that area can't get bigger... but Saudia Govt should do something... as they can reduce teh Number of Haji.. something should b taken in to acount soon as its getting worse 251 is quite a number!! n they all were there for Good cause .. this is just too sad!.. actully one haji got Heart Attacj so they block th Haji's Way who were going to Minna! and when they Opened the way.. it was a huge Crowd tring to Run snaching each other..! kher May they All rest in Peace!.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted February 6, 2004 aimon.. although there shud b some training. but such a big crowd cant b fully trained.. quite right nadan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted February 6, 2004 It's the time of year again when millions of Muslims are gathered in Makkah-tul-Mukarrama to cleanse their souls in one of the most spiritual and impressive religious congregations in the world. Muslims of all nationalities, race and colour stand, walk, eat and pray side by side, putting all their petty differences aside in one quest - the quest to rise above all differences and limitations of their mundane selves for something purer and true. But the spirit of Hajj is not just limited to the holy land of Hijaz, it travels far and wide to all corners of the world, into all Muslim homes in the form of Eid-ul-Azha. An annual remembrance of Hazrat Ibrahim's selfless act to please His Lord and the remarkable show of unquestioning faith he had in the One, it is a time for self appraisal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute_ooky 0 Posted February 11, 2004 fatima I blv that anything can be done.. I mean if animals can be trained.. why can't humans be??? I mean rn't we more civilized n smarter than them? Waqas, I didn't know that.. wow.. I mean it might help too.. U never know.. Hey Fati what do u think abt that? If we can't organize them, can Saudi gov. make bridges??? It's gunna be a lengthy procedure, let's see how they do it!!! Best of luck... Nadan: I dunno if reducing the number of hajjis will help ... but good point!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted February 14, 2004 Another Step by Saudi Government. Ooky> Human are very hard to trained as compared to Animals :P Waqas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NaDaN 0 Posted February 14, 2004 5 Years n One Haj!! My Lord This is ... id ont know good or bad but its really little figure it should b like three .. well wateve!! let c!! :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted February 14, 2004 Waise this Rule is aslready for Sadi Residents but not for every1, i think it will give chance to other Haji too to offer this duty, waise bhi Hajj sirf ek dafa hi farz hai Waqas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute_ooky 0 Posted February 18, 2004 Yes Waqas... :) And I absolutely agree wid what P.Sultan sed.. And I think they shud take this step... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted February 28, 2004 chalo kisi ko tu baat samajh ayee na :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
