mansoor 0 Posted March 13, 2003 aslmao laikum friends ! we are all aware of greatest sacrifice given by hazrat imam hussain razee ulla tailla unhum and his 72 believers and family members gave their lives in the most bruitest conditions ever imagined ..... those who did dat cruality were so called muslims ... imam had alwayzz way to go back and he was offered many time but he never retreted in fact he was fighting a war for thr revival of real islam .. he always knew his companions are less his prepations are not enough but he stood his way.. he gave his life... his family and his friend... but set an example for all of us ..... example of bravery istaqamaaatt ... devotion .. here i will like to narrate this great sacrifice with resent time .. Talibanss yeahh !! they peace and calm in their city they had every right to pass their life to thir will ... but they were forced into a war .. they accepted it ..they were bombed vigourusly ... conditions were and are pathatic .. after ther retreat ................ people ask . why they were not helped if they were on truth ... some foreighn writers even say its a win of idiology .... but let us see WINNING IS never important as in the case of hazrat imam hussain ... they gave thie lives ..they were not victourious but still theyy wonn !!! that was my way of rememberring those great people may every muslim could have same couragge as they had...... ameennn!!!!!!!! mansoor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted April 23, 2003 Its a nice post mansoor, u r right but i would like to tell u all something really different about Hazrat Hussain RAW. The truth is that Hazrat Hussain was not martyred on 10th Muharram. He left Mecca with his fellows on 8th Zil-Hajja. According to the historists, it takes about 2 months to reach the place where he was martyred. And we all know that there were also some women and children with them. They arrived the place where they killed him on 22nd or 23rd Saffar. This was just a propaganda by Jews coz 10th Muharram is a properious day for the Muslims. On 10th Muharram, Moses got freedom from Pharoah, there was something good with Prophet Nuh. But on 10th Muharram, Jews were defeated by muslims. so they decided to conspire so that muslims also think of that day as.... what should i say?...... oh yes, Nahoosat one. We must not follow the crowd or believe in what they say. we must see the truth. According to one Hadith: "Insaan k lyay jhoota honay k lyay itna hee kafee hay k woh sunee sunaee baat per amal karay (ya yaqeen karlay)." Will b back with something new about Karbla. Until then... Bye! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lafani shareer 0 Posted April 25, 2003 Salam to All. Well Mansoor Bhai. Nice Topic. Meeri. Kya aap apni baat ki wazahat kersakti hain kisi tareekhi mubalikh ki tehreer say yan hadith say. Main nahin sumujhta kay aap ki baat sahih hai. kul aalm-e-islam jis baat per mutafiq hai aap nain us per ikhtelaf kya hai. Hatta kay kul iraz main do din pehlay chehlum manaya gya hai our who bhi 10 muharram ky hawalay sai tha. Please aap is nazuk topic pay mazeed izhar-e-khayal kerin our sabit karain. shukrya lafani shareer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted April 25, 2003 mansoor come on , u talk about taliban. wat good they did. nothingggggg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted April 25, 2003 meeri is rejecting the world biggest fact. imam hussain (as) was martyred on 10th muharram. and he is building up stories.come on wat do u wanna say.thats a totally absurd thing to believe on. 10th muharram a prosperous day. who said it. man come on read history. i think u r talking about some other person. imam Hussain (as), son of Hazrat imam Ali (as) , grandson of hazrat Muhammad (saw) was martyred on 10th muhaaram along with the 72 ppl with him. 2 days b4 was chelum. meeri r y tryin to change history or wat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted April 25, 2003 phew. i know ppl have different believes. different casts have different. but i couldnt imagine that someone could change his date of shahadat. muslims, christians and people belonging to other religions r sure and do believe that imam hussain (as) was martyed on 10th of muharram. but meeri is the unique one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted April 25, 2003 u know thats the joke of the history and the present and the future that meeri has told. meeri u can make good jokes. ppl out there who r reading all this. there is nothing to justify because the fact of 10th muharram is already justified and there r no complications in this regard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted April 25, 2003 I knew ppl would say like this. Why would I make a fun of history. I'm telling u what i came to know from history. 10th Muharram was considered as a prosperious day for Jews and Muslims. Even Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) advised the Muslims to fast that day alongwith the previous or the next day. Plz dont b aggressive to this post. We all should b cool minded and then decide who is right. I will b back soon with some Hadith on the prosperity of 10th Muharram. lafani_shareer, i cannot tell u about the Shahadat of Imam Hussain by Hadith coz he was martyred after the death of Prophet Muhammed SAW. i'll b back soon with some evidences and dont take this topic so rudely. TC Bye! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted April 25, 2003 BTW, i just wanted to ask something. 1) siraf Imam Hussain Bin Ali RAW kee shahadat per hee kyoon sog manaya jaa raha hay? kya Hazrat Umer naheen Shaheed huay? kya Hazrat Imam naheen Shaheed huay? Hazrat Ali ko bhee to yahoodyoan nain shaheed karaya aur kya tha. 2) Kya Islam main is tarah sog manana jaaiz hay? 3) kya Mecca say Koofa tak ka rasta aurtoan aur bachooan k saath 20 days main tay kya jasakta hay? 8th Zil-Hajja ko Mecca say chalay thay aur 10th ko Karbala k maidan main bhee pohonch gaay? main nay jo kaha tha apnee taraf say naheen kaha. pehlay main bhee kehta tha k Imam Hussain ko 10th Muharram main shaheed kya tha. laikin ulma nay he bataya hay k yeh baat ghalat hay. jab yeh masla clear ho ga to main phir aagay chaloon ga... Plz b open minded and stay calm and try to listen what I'm saying! If i'm wrong, u can try to correct me. or if u're wrong i'll try my best. Deal? gr8 Thanx! Bye! PS: fati, plz dont b aggressive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mansoor 0 Posted April 25, 2003 Meeri !!! fati !!!! friendssssssssssss !!!! whats going on folks i think u pal have not seen mah opening Post .. such matterzz are very sensitive soooo thats why i had tried to write dat in a very carefull way !! we should not be carried away in minor materss ... why dont u ppl commnt on what actually is the MIssion of hazrat imamm hussain regards Mansoor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted April 25, 2003 Hi once again! I was really amazed to read that fati has some misunderstandings of Talibaans. I think mansoor is right. The Talibans might have some drawbacks but much less than ours. They had gr8 peace but the media always badmouth them and make propagandas against them. Jawaid Iqbal, son of Allama Iqbal, was a bit secular type and was never interested in Islam and Muslims. But when he visited Afghanistan, he, after his trip, said "Now I Have Seen The True Islam". Some people once visited from Mecca to know the condition of Afghanistan b4 war. One of them decided to check the peace there. so he took off his watch and put it on the floor. After two days, when he came back, he said that he saw that watch at where he left. Now when he reached near to pick it up, a boy came and grabbed his hand. He asked the boy the reason for stopping him. He said, dont take this watch. The man replied that its my watch i left it here 2 days b4 and now i'm taking it back. The boy said, how can u say that its ur watch coz we've been taking care of it from 2 days. Now can we bring such peace in our countries? its very difficult. People just say that they were cruel with women. They were just trying to implement Islamic laws and that has a true right for women with all their respects. The women were happy with that kind of environment. Now isnt this bad to abolish their pleasure? We must not fully trust the media. Its in the hands of anti-muslims. We must b aware. "One Should Not Follow the Crowd as it may contain bad people with bad opinions." Hope its enough from me. mansoor, u also plz reply and comment to our posts. lafani_shareer> i highly appreciate the way u replied with kindness and being polite. I wish u also understand what i said. Bye! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted April 26, 2003 mansoor the topic u started is really nice. but meeri has made a base for another. meeri ur questions r really logical but if u have applied a bit of sense on it then u must have got the answer ur self. 1) hazrat imam hussain (as) ka ghum aur un 72 companions ka ghum kayun manaya jata hay. baqi bhi to hain. thats a good ques. jis tarah sa imam hussain shaheed hoay us tarah sa fight kar kay islam ki history main koi nahi hoa. dukh to hazoor (saw) ko bhi bohat milay. hazrat ali (as) bhi shaheed hoay. shaheed to imam hassan(as) bhi hoay. magar ghum unhi ka yani imam hussain (as) ka manaya jata hay. wo is liya ke jo taqleef un ko mili wo kisi aur ko nahi. 2) islam main bilqul jaiz hay. hazrat muhammad (saw) ke jab dundane mubarak shaheed hoay to aik hasti na ( i dun remeber his name now) apnay saray dant toor diya. hazrat ayisha na apna seenay per dohatar maray. thats matam u know. ya baat sahi hay ke allah ki amanat wapis loot jati hay. magar hum insan hain aur ya bilqul jaiz hay ke soog manata hain aur mana saktay hain. han har halat main allah ka shukar karna chahiya aur kabhi koi shikayat nahi karni chahiya. 3) bohat ajeeb si baat hay. how can u claim ke aisa nahi ho sakta . jao pehlay aik lashkar tayar karo . camels akethay karo aur safr tay kar kay dekho. kon say ulma hain wo. pehlay ya confirm karo ka wo kis mazhab ke ulmah hain. ulma muslims kay hon, beshak kisi bhi cast ke hon, wo is fact ko deny nahi kar saktay. go and confirm who are those ppl who told u. ya v r listening to u. and i m also being calm. i m writing the truth. so investigate moree. take care ALLAH HAFIZ from fati Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted April 26, 2003 well meeri i really appreciate the way of ur communication. thats really a nice attitude. v all have different opinions but that was too hot for me. soory if i wrote something rude. when imam khumeni was in trouble God helped him. but the taliban r not so innocent. islam is not a very tough religion. taliban made it so. in the beginning of their government everyone was happy with them. but what did they do. they put an end to education of women. this is wat u call islam.all the women were forced to wear complete burqas with not even their eyes open..is that what islam tell us. a lady shud b always covered but that doesnt mean that u shud make her a dummy. everyone of u knows that hazrat muhamad (saw) has given stressed upon the education of women as much as he did for men. but what taliban did. they did totally against. they made fun of islam. women were happy.haha thats y the same women of afghanistan wear pant shirt with no scarfs here in pakistan. ya women were really happy with taliban. come on guys stop thinking that women r made to stay within the four boundaries. women are allowed to go out but they shud cover themselves. and its not just women who shud behave. men shud also b decent. but u guys think that men r totally free from any sort of limits. ok ok i know u all decent. but most men r not.i have seen many people who force thrie women to b totally covered. and wat do they do themselves. dun ask. the best islami government is of iran. totally realistic , according to islam.!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted April 26, 2003 so, fati, now u have expressed that u r from Iran :) With all due respects, plz read all the following with a cool and open minded. I appreciate to ur reply and i believe that u r also trying to find the truth. About the answer of my 1st question, u didnt try to take a look at the real history. we must not believe in the unproved history. Did u know that Hazrat Usman was martyred very badly? un ko 40 days tak bhooka rakha tha aur chaar diwaree main band kar k aakhir main naiza maara tha jab k woh Qur'an kee tilawat kar rahay thay. Hazrat Umar ko bhee koi kam ghum naheen pohoncha tha. woh bhee Fajr kee namaz k waqt shaheed kardyay gaay thay. Haan! Hazrat Ali ko bhee Koofa main Shaheed kya gya tha aur un ka bhee kuch aisa he waqya hay. jab k Hazrat Hussain RAW (plz use Razi-Allah-u Anh kyoon k yeh ziada respectable hay AS say aur yeh Anbya k lyay makhsoos hay) ko so-called Muslims nay shaheed kya tha aur saheeh HISTORY main hay k unhon nay, jab dushmanoan nay ghair lya tha, kaha tha k ya to mujhay Yazeed k haath per bait karnay do ya mujhay waapis janay do ya mujhay border per bhaij do taakay main larta larta shaheed ho jaoon. laikin un zalmoan nay teenoan choice reject kardeen aur un per teer aur naizoan kee bochaar kar dee jis main woh baiqasoor qatl kar dyay gaay. un ko koofyoan nay bulaya tha k hum aap say bait laina chahtay hain aur 18,000 letters aay thay k hum aap per jaan bhee qurban kardainay k lyay tayar hain magar sab nay withdraw kar lya tha. lamba qissa hay. mukhtasiran unhon nay Hazrat Hussain Bin Ali RAW k enemies ka saath dya aur milkar un ko qatl kya tha. isy lyay arbee ka aik qoal hay "Koofi la yoofi" meaning= Koofi kabhee wafa naheen kartay. Koofyoan nay Hazrat Ali aur Hazrat Hussain k saath bhee ghaddaree kee thee aur Hazrat Abbas nay Hazrat Hussain ko mana bhee kya tha k aap mat jaain aur main daikh raha hoon k aap k saath bhee wohee honay wala hay jo aap k baba aur bhai k saath hua. magar woh chalay kuch logon k saath. Hazrat Hussain nay apna aik safeer bhaija tha k jis ko check karnay k lyay bhaija tha. sab kee raza mandee daikh kar us nay kaha k aap dair mat karain aur jald hee aajain. jab Hazrat Hussain wahaan say nikal paray thay to un zalmoan nay withdraw kar k aap k safeer ko qatl kar dya tha (its a long and sad story but keeping it short,) jab Hazrat Hussain rastay main thay aur un ko khabar pohonchee k un k safeer ko qatal kardya gya hay to unhon nay apnay saathyoan say kaha tha k waapis lot jaao magar unhon nay inkar kya aur kaha k hum apnay saathee ka badla lain gay. phir woh Karbla k maidan main pohonchay to un ko wahan qatal kardya gya tha. in say ziada gham to Hazrat Sumayya ko pohoncha tha. Hazrat Usman ko bhee koi kam gham na tha. agar gham mana hay to Hazoor SAW kee wafat ka kyoon naheen manatay. un kee foatgee per to kisee sahaba nay (na'oozubillah) khudkushi to na kee naa hee apnay jism ko peeta. Hazoor SAW nay bhee kabhee is tarah Hazrat Khadeeja kee wafat ka gham na manaya. woh to roanay peetnay say mana farmaya kartay thay. Saheeh Bukhari main rawayat hay k Hazoor nay wafat per roanay peetnay say sakht mana kya hay. aik aur hadith main milta hay k roanay peetnay say Marhoom ko azab milta hay laikin woh siraf kafir k lyay hay magar muslims ko bhee mana kya gya hay. Jahan tak safar ka ta'alluq hay, yeh pehlay muhaddaseen nay hee batay hay k 2 months lagtay hain aur woh 22 ya 23 Safar ko wahan Shaheed huay thay. Want evidence?? ok! Jab Hazoor SAW mairaj kee raat gaay thay to Abu Jehel Hazrat Abu Bakar RAW k paas aya aur kehna laga k batao agar koi raat ko yahaan say Bait-ul-Maqdas ya Jerusalem jaay to kitnay arsa main pohonchta hay to unhon nay jawab dya tha k 2 months. unhon nay kaha k agar bohot hee taiz raftaree say jaay to kitnee dair lagay gee to Hazrat Abu Bakar RAW nay farmaya k minimum 1.5 months. ab yeh baat zehen main rahay k Mecca ka Karbala tak ka faasla Jerusalem k faaslay say bhee ziada hay. Now what do u think? sunee sunaay khateeboan kee baat ko naheen manna chahyay bulkay har cheez kee tehqeeq karnee chahyay. About the prosperious 10th Muharram, Hazoor SAW nay is din roaza rakhnay kee taakeed kee thee. Saheeh Muslim nay usay Shukranay kaa roaza rakhnay ka kaha hay. saheeh bukhari kabhee kholnay kaa moqa milay to us main 10th Muharram kaa section zaroor kholain aur us main aap ko bohot kuch pata chalay ga. Hazrat Adam kee toba is din qabool huee thee. Hazrat Nuh kee kishtee is din pahaar par rukee thee. Hazrat Idrees ko bhee is din aasman par bulaya gya tha. Aur Hazrat Nuh nay is din Shukranay kaa roaza rakha tha. Hazrat Moosa ko is din he Phiroan say najat milee thee aur Yahoody is din Shukranay kaa roaza rakha karta thay k jis ko daikh kar Hazoor SAW nay bhee apnee ummat ko roaza rakhnay ka kaha tha aur kaha tha k main in jews say ziada haqdaar hoon. 10th Muharram ko hee Khaibar k jews ko shikast huee thee aur woh jhoot moot Islam qabool kar k Islam ko nuqsan pohonchanay kee koshish main lagay rahay thay aur unhon nay yeh muqaddas din afsoos ka din bana dya aur Hazrat Ameer Muaawya kee wafat k din ko Koonday kee shakal main khushee ka din bana dya. I dont think its fair......! Main nay aap say jin ulma kee baat kee thee woh Middle East main bhee hain, woh Pakistani bhee hain aur Indian bhee. woh siraf Qur'an aur Hadith kee baat kartay hain aur kehtay hain k yehee sacha deen hay ka Allah ko wahid rab mano aur Hazoor SAW ko aakhri nabee mano. Qur'an aur Hadith hee un k lyay kafee hay kyoon k Hazoor SAW nay is per chalnay kee taakeed kee thee. About Imam Khumainee, just let me know only one thing that if he was on the truth then why did his funeral fell so many times. From Helicopter.... I dont think God would like to do with his beloved ones. Please be open minded and think of what i said and if u have any confusion, i'm here to help u. lafani_shareer, if u also have any misunderstandings, plz share it with us. Waiting for the reply....! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted April 27, 2003 hahah. lemme laugh. and i m really, u r telling me the history of karbla. hazrat usman ki jahan tak bat hay to main un ke baray main yahan kuch nahi likhna chahti. cast difference ko main boost nahi karna chahti yahan per. because this is a friendly entertaining site and i dont want to fight. u wrote: saheeh HISTORY main hay k unhon nay, jab dushmanoan nay ghair lya tha, kaha tha k ya to mujhay Yazeed k haath per bait karnay do ya mujhay waapis janay do ya mujhay border per bhaij do taakay main larta larta shaheed ho jaoon. laikin un zalmoan nay teenoan choice reject kardeen aur un per teer aur naizoan kee bochaar kar dee jis main woh baiqasoor qatl kar dyay gaay. this is a history made by those ppl who hated iam hussain i.e the generation of yazeed. dun make fun of islam. itni bari jang lari sirf isliya ke yazeed ki baith na karni thi aur akhir main wo ya baat kahein ga ke main kar laita ho baith. mangharth story ke ilawa kuch nahi. hazrat imam hussain na yazeed ki baith na ki.isliya ke jub mauwia na imam hussain(as) say sulah ki to dosri shartoon ke saath aik shart ya bhi thi ke mauwia apnay baad kisi ko apna waliahed nahi banaiy ga . is ke bad hakoomat imam hasan(as) ko mil jaiy gi wo na hoay to imam hussain(as) ko milay gi.mauwia n a hakoomat pa kar sulah k isari shartain toor deen. mauwia ke badd badkar yazeed muslims ka khalifah bun baitha. tab is na madina ka governor waleedk o ya hukm bheja "tum hussain bin ali (as) say meri baith la lo aur agar wo inkar karein to inhain katal ka do" governor na imam hussain(as) ko bula kar yazeed ki baith karnay ko kaha. imam hussain (as) na is kojawab diya aur kaha "han jub muslims ka khalifah yazeed jaisa shaks ho to phir islam ki khair nahi" unon a farmaya ke main chup ker baith karnay walon main sa nahi hon. kal subah jab tum sa logon ko bulwao ga to mujhay bhi bulwal aina. is ke bad jub imam wapis janay lagay to marwan na governor sa kaha aj ke bad hussain (as) kabhi tumharay hath nahi ayain ga in sa ya to baith lay lo ya inhain qatal kar do.is per imam hussain na marwan ko danta aur ghar loot aiy.is ke bad imam hussain apnay khandan ke saath 28 rajab ki raat ko madina sa chalay aur 3 shaban ko makaah pohanch gaiy.8 zilhaj ko ap kufah ki taraf rawana hoay.bohat sa logon sa kufa janay sa ruka ap ko . un ka rokna imam ki jaan aur maal ko bachchana tha magar ap ka jana islam ko bachana tha.makkah sa chal kar imam ka kaflah hajir pohancha.wahan sa ap zarwad aiy. wahan ap ko khabar mili ke kofah walay sab ibn ziyad ka sath ho gaiy hain.aur us na muslim bin aqeel aur kuch logon ka qatal kar dia.kofah janay ka faisla tarq kiya. wahan sa ap hur riahi ki fauj ke saath karbla pohanch gaiy 2 muharram ko.9 muharram ko ibn ziyad na shimr ke hath umar bin saad ko likha ke agar hussain baith nahi kartay to aj hi in per hamla kar do. is per yazedi fauj na imam (as) ke khaimon per halla bol diya. ap na in ko keh bheja ke aik raat ki mauhlat da do.wo raat imam hussain aur sathiyon na ALLAH ki ibadat main guzari.subah ki namaz ada karnay ke bad dushman na hamla kiya. imam hussain (as) na bhi 3000 ke samnay apna 3 days ke bhoqay piyasay 72 mujahid karhay ker diya.aur islam ka alm gazi abbas ko diya. ya wo jang thi ke na is sa pehlay kabhi hoi aur na is ke bad ho gi. hazrat ayisha ko to ap mantay hain. main na mention kiya tha ke unhon na dohat maray thay hazoor ke dandan mubarak shaheed honay per. agar hussaini imam hussain(as) ka ghum manatay hain to kisi na usmaniyon ko hazrat usman ka ghum mananay sa mana nahi kiya. manaya kis na ruka hay. jo jis ko manta hay wo usi ka ghum manaiay ga. aur phir hussain jo ghum manatay hain wo bhi khudkushi nahi kar letay. khudkushi haram hay. hazoor(saw) na ya farmaya ke ghum manana gunah hay is bat ka kiya proof hay ap ke pass. tamam farishtoon na a kar hazoor(saw) ko imam hussain ki shahdat ka bataya aur hamesha ap roaiy aur ap na ghum manaya. aur wat sort of evidence is that, abu jahl na pocha hazrat abu bakr na farmaya. evidence hasi lakrna hay to khud safr karo. aj tak ya bat reject nahi hoi ke 10 muharram ko ap ki shadathoi .aur ap na un ke chelum ke bad un ko shaheed kiya hay. iam khumeni k ijahan tak baat hay. to un ke janazay main karoron logg shareek thay. helicopter sa janaza gira.is ke baray main main nahi janti. magar mr agar ya bat hay ke allah chahnay walon ka sath aisa kayun karta hay to karbla ka waqaya hoa kayun. hazoor (saW) ko itmni taqlefain dekhni kayun pareen. i dont have any sort of confusions. and misunderstanding. if u want to clear then u can share it with us. ALLAH hafiz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted April 27, 2003 Mourning from the Qur'an From the Holy Quran from the Chapter ADH-DHAARIYAAT we learn that Hadhrath Sara (as) struck her face when she was told that she would conceive a baby. "Then came forward his wife in grief, she smote her face and said (what! I) an old barren woman?" Quran 51:29 Thus it is evident that smiting the face was not an objectionable act in the sight of Allah, otherwise Allah would have reprimanded her for doing so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted April 27, 2003 ) Beating and mourning by Bilal Sheikh Abdul Haq Mohaddis Hanafi Dehlavi who is regarded as one of the greatest Scholars of the Sunni Sect, describing the events at the fatal illnes of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) in his book 'Modaarejun Nubuwwat' vol II page 544 records:- "Bilal emerged beating his head and loudly wailing (from the room of Aisha)." Fatima Zahra (a.s) hearing the rumour of the martyrdom of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) at Uhud came out of her house running and beating her head Sheikh Abdul Haq Mohaddis Hanafi Dehlavi Even in this case none of the companions raised any objection at the action of Bilal, the special Muezzin of the Prophet (s.a.w). Moreover, the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) was yet alive and not dead. This is the extreme extent of grief. Then how can similar action for Imam Hussain (a.s) be prohibited? Allamah Shibli Numani al Hanafi is a renowned Sunni scholar from the Indian subcontinent, in his Sirat-un Nabi (Eng translation Volume 2 pg 74) quoting Sirat Ibn Hisham we read following Hadhrath Humza (ra) martyrdom: (iii) Beating and mourning by the wives of the Sahaba "The Holy Prophet (P) returned to Madina and found the whole city gone into mourning. Whenever he went, he heard wailing and lamentation in every house. He was grieved to find that all who fell in the battle had their mourners doing their duty to the memory of their dear ones; but their was none to mourn the death of Humza (ra). Overwhelmed with grief the words that there was none to mourn the loss of Hamza escaped his lips. The Ansaris were touched to the core when the remark came to their ears. They asked their women to go to the house of the Prophet (S) and lament over the death of Humza. The Prophet (p) thanked them for their sympathy, prayed for their well being, but added that it was not permissible to cry lamentations in memory of the dead. (Women in Arabia were used to wailing and lamenting aloud, they would tear off their garments, dig their nails into their cheeks, slap themselves on the face and put up loud screams. This undesirable practice was from that day stopped for future". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted April 27, 2003 Salaam fati, now its my turn to laugh hehey....! thats why i wrote "saheeh HISTORY" because i knew that our society has fallen in the sunee sunayee talks. What can i say now? u r totally brainwashed. Yazeed was not that kind of a person u r thinking. He was the son of Hazrat Ameer Muawya RAW. He was granted to b jannati. Hazoor SAW nay farmaya tha k jo qustuntunya kee jang main shamil ho ga woh jannati hoga. Yazeed un ka sardar bana kar bhaija gya tha. ab is k baray main kya khyal hay. jab tak aap yazeed kee baat ko clear naheen karain gee tab tak aap yeh waqya saheeh tor par naheen samjhain gee. haan! yehee tha k yazeed kee bait naheen karna chahtay thay. Aap jab karbla main thay to unhon nay yehee shart rakhee theen aur woh 18,000 khat yazeed ko dikhana chahtay thay k yeh log mairay haat per bait laina chahtay thay. koofi yeh baat hargiz naheen pasand kartay thay aur woh naheen chahtay thay k un k khat yazeed tak jaa sakain is lyay unhon nay un ko qatal kardya tha aur woh baiqasoor qatal kyay gaay thay. Now i came to know that u r the follower of Hazrat Hussain RAW not Prophet Muhammad SAW. coz u said it b4 k jo jis ko manta hay woh us ka sog manaay. Hazoor SAW bhee aik tarah say shaheed huay thay.yeh un kee khwahish thee. aik jewish woman nay un ko khanay main poison daal k dya tha. aap nay sahaba ko saath bitha kar khilaya magar un ko foran rok dya tha. woh sahaba to shaheed ho gaay thay magar Allah nay us poison ko sanbhal kar rakha tha. jab Hazoor SAW kee intaqal kaa waqt aaya to woh phir activate ho gya. Hazoor SAW bistar-e-marg per Hazrat Aysha RA ko bataaya k yeh wohee poison kaa asar hay jo us woman nay khanay main daala tha. yeh siha sitta main likha hua hay. Jinab-e-alya! Hazoor SAW nay farmaya k mujh per jis nay tuhmat bandee us k lyay jahannam kee aag hay. agar aap nay koi hawala daina hay to kisee Hadith ka dain k Hazrat Fatima roee hon aur Hazrat Bilal nay apnay aap ko peeta ho. aur waisay bhee aap nay jaisay hawala dya hay k "(Women in Arabia were used to wailing and lamenting aloud, they would tear off their garments, dig their nails into their cheeks, slap themselves on the face and put up loud screams. This undesirable practice was from that day stopped for future". ab aap khud keh rahee hain k yeh khatam ho chuka hay to phir ab kyoon rona peetna hota hay? Kisee Hadith ka hawal dain jo mustanid ho aur mangarath na ho. Zara Shaikh Muhaddis Haq say to poochyay k yeh kahaan likha hay. aur un ko is k baray main kaisay pata. kya yeh wahaan mojood thay ya koi aur reference hay? aur un kee kitab Qur'an ya Hadith naheen. is lyay kisee kee kitab main agar koi saheeh reference dya ho to tab aap quote karain. aur reference Qur'an yah Siha Sitta ka hona chahyay. is tarah to aap un aalimoan ko bhee manain jo is ko ghalat kehtay hain agar un kee baat bhee un kee kahee huee ho. main un kee baat ko is lyay prefer karta hoon k woh reference say baat kartay hain. aap ko is topic per dars bhee milain gay maslan "Yazeed Kon?", "Karbala ka maidan", "Muharram" etc. in main say main nay bhee kuch sunay hain aur woh hawalajaat k saath hee baat kar rahay hain aur woh hawalay Qur'an, Hadith, ya kisee ma'qool reference say hotay hain. I'll b back with the references and i'll try to clear up ur mind. u also try to find that Hazrat Aysha nay Hazoor SAW k daant shaheed honay par dohat maray hon. aur jitnay pichlay proofs hon, woh bhee mustanad hon. Haan! jahan tak Hazrat Sara kaa ta'alluq hay, woh Islam say pehlay kee baat hay. Islam say pehlay to sharab bhee jaaiz thee aur Qur'an main likha hay k us kay faaiday bhee hain aur nuqsanat bhee. to is ka matlab yeh to naheen k woh peenee shuroo kardain. aur Hazrat Hussain RA kaa to shahadat kaa maamla hay, woh to mujzana paidaish kee baat hay :) REFERENCES: "Jo gairabaan pharay woh hum main say naheen." [bukhari] "Jo apnay moon par thappar maray woh hum main say naheen" [bukhari] Mughaira bin Shoba say rawayat hay k unhon nay Hazoor SAW nay farmaya "mujh par jhoot bandna logon par jhoot bandnay kee tarah naheen. jo shakhs mujh par qasdan jhoot banday woh apna thikana dozakh main bana lay. " aur main nay aaan Hazrat SAW say suna k jis par noha kya jaay us par noha kee waja say azab hota hay." [bukhari] "nabi SAW nay farmaya jo shakhs apna geraiban pharay, galoan par thappar maray aur kufar kee batain baqay, woh hum main say naheen." [bukhari] Aik baat batain k kya Hazoor SAW nay jo roza rakhnay ka kaha tha woh is din rakha jata hay ya naheen? woh to mourning main hee masroof rehtay hain. aur chaaliswaan kisee hadith say saabit hay kya? jo cheez hadith say saabit na ho ya sahaba nay woh amal na kya ho aur hum shuroo kardain to woh bid'at kehlaatee hay. "har biddat gumrahee hay aur har gumrahee ka thikana jahannam hay." yeh woh alfaaz hain k jo khutbay main bolay jaatay hain. Hazrat Imam Khumainee kaa janaza kaee martaba gira tha. aur helicopter say bhee janaza gira tha. Hazoor SAW ko takleefain zindagee main pohonchee theen aur is qisam kee koi takleef naheen pohonchee. Ahadees say pata chalta hay k yeh to marnay k baad k azaab main say hay k mayyat ko ooper say neechay phainka jata hay. Hazrat Imam Khumainee nay bhee kaee baatain Islam main apnee taraf say baatain dalee theen. is lyay bila tehqeeq kisee ko the most gr8 naheen keh saktay. I think its enough for now and waiting for ur reply. PS: Thanx for being kind. i appreciate! behes ka mayyar hee yehee hay aur is ko isee tarah say hee karna chahyay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted May 12, 2003 wellllllll jo kuch likha tha khatam ho gaya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted May 14, 2003 oooooooo my lord.yazeed janati. u have lost ur marbless. hazrat ameer muwiaaaa. wowwww. man if u say that yazeed is janati. then u hate imam hussain and when u hate him, u cant love hazrat muhammad. hazrat muhammad (saw) na farmaya. hussain muj sa hay aur main hussain sa. actually u ppl dont know who was hussain and ali. sab sa bara khuda. sab sa azeem wo. pori duniya ka malik allah . allah ke bad sab sa azeem muhammad (saw) and after him ali(as) mujhay is silsilay main koi confusions nahi. main rasool ko manti hon. and i m syeda. belonging to his family. u dun know anything. pata nahi kin ulmaon sa pala para hay. come on u r talking about hadeeth. mai nan ap ko ayat sa hawala dia hay. From the Holy Quran from the Chapter ADH-DHAARIYAAT we learn that Hadhrath Sara (as) struck her face when she was told that she would conceive a baby. "Then came forward his wife in grief, she smote her face and said (what! I) an old barren woman?" Quran 51:29 Thus it is evident that smiting the face was not an objectionable act in the sight of Allah, otherwise Allah would have reprimanded her for doing so. yazeeeeeeedddddddd janatiiiiiiiiiii. wow . ya to suni bhi nahi kehtay. imam khumeni ka janaza kai martaba helicopter sa gira. agar un ka janaza helicopter sa gira to kiya rastay main farishtay na a kar pakr liya, helicopter ke darwaza girnay ke liya khulay thay kiya.aur agar helicopter gira to wo bach kaisay gaya. good story. yazeed ki kabar dekhi hy. kitni gandi jaga per choti si qabar hay. aisa karta hay allah apnay bandon ke sath. whats ur religionn? and her admisnistrator, topic starter, and web developer. wont u say anything about it?> i m still laughing on his comical stories.:D isaved this in note pad therefore i m able to post the lost the lost post again. but its heart breaking that people dont bother to reply. even the topic starter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted May 17, 2003 THE MAN WHO HAS GIVEN THE BIGEST SACRIFICE, FOR THE SAKE OF ISLAM,WHO HAS GIVEN HIS LIFE. WHO HAS SACRIFICED HIS WHOLE FAMILY, IN THE WAY OF GOD,VERY MERELY. WHO IS WELL_KNOWN FOR HIS THREE DAYS OF THIRST, WHO STAND IN THE QUEUE OF MARTYRS FIRST. WHO LOVES HIS FLOWERS MORE THEN ANYONE, TO WHOME SHOULD WE GO AND SO SHOULD EVERYONE. AND WHO IS THE LORD OF ALL THE HEAVENS, WHO DON'T KEEP HIS LOVERS IN SIXES AND SEVENS. AND WHOSE NAME WILL LAST CERTAINLY FOREVER, MAY GOD GIVE US THE STRENGTH TO SPREAD IT ALL OVER. AND YOU MIGHT BE WONDERING ABOUT THAT MAN, BUT WHOELSE COULD HE BE OTHER THEN HUSSAIN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iamshani 0 Posted May 23, 2003 salamz..! no one has to worry abt now..i m here now.. Meeri..i know tht from where u heard tht Hadith tht yazeed 9 lanatullah aleh) is jannati...but itz totally wrong...i don't know why ppl jus believe on sayings without thinking if they r true or not. lissen friendz...we shud never belie evene if hear from any unrecognized or unknown Alim bcuz nowadays evryone is going to call himself an Aalim..as far as the issue of the date of martyrdom of imam Hussain a.s. is concerned then i can give an evidence tht only on 10th moharram the sand of karbala ( where Imam Hussain a.s. was martyred) turns blood red in color..and if ur parentz r interested in religion then they must know tht earlier..on 10th moharram the place where Imam was martyred not only turned red but also blood fountain started to flow from there and many Muslims lost their lives seeing this miracle of God...now tht place has been closed clearly.. newayz...waiting for more comments here.. C ya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted May 24, 2003 well shan u know u will be waiting all ur life. becoz nobody is gonna reply to that post of urs. have u read the previous all posts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iamshani 0 Posted May 24, 2003 Salamz.. ya i have read the previous posts..however..if ne one gets ne question then plz submit here one by one..and I wud reply him/her with satisfaction..but it needs questionz..! C ya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted May 24, 2003 ??? I'm really confused.... They say that this Hadith is very true and approved included in Siha Sitta which proves Yazeed as Jannati but u say that it is just sunee sunaee baat? Strange! However, i dont like to go any further coz it has nothing for us to do with. Jo kuch hua tha, Allah Hazrat Hussain, Hussan, Ali aur tamam shuhada ko un ka acha aur behtereen ne'mul badal day.... Ameen! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites