Meeri 0 Posted July 16, 2003 shani> :( i have to wait for u till 27th? i'm not sure i will b able to reply u then or not coz i might b going to pakistan for vacation and things might b going very bz then but i'll try to reply when ever i get a chance. TimePass> my friend, aap nay siraf two sides he daikheen hain. i would recommend u to see other sides too. However, if u have read my previous posts, i've just referred to Quran and Ahadith and some history from those who refer Quran and Ahadith only. I've also used some common sense too. If u disagree with anything, plz let me know and i'll reply to u at my earliest :) until then, BYE! PS: the thing i was saying is that Imam Hussain RA kee shahadat ko itna uchala gya is lyay kyoon k is waqya main musalmanon main fasad hona tha. warna Hazoor SAW kee wafat par to khushyan manaee jaatee hain aur khoob tamashay hotay hain. Hazrat Hassan aur Hazrat Ali bhee to kitnay buray tareeqay say shaheed kardyay gaay thay un kee wafat k din to koi khaas ihtamam naheen hota. Hazrat Usman par bhee kitna zulm kya gya tha. Hazrat Umer bhee namaz k doran shaheed kyay gaay thay. siraf Hazrat Hussain par hee kyoon itna kya jaaraha hay? Hazrat Ali kee beewee aur Hazoor SAW kee baitee Hazrat Fatima RA jis din fot hueen theen usee din Hazrat Ali nay doosree shadee karlee thee. unhon nay to koi aisa sog naheen manaya tha. u can check this in the true Islamic Historic Books like Raheeq-ul-Makhtoom or some other books like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimePass 0 Posted July 16, 2003 Imam Hussain's Shahdat was to save Islam and not for for anything else. They showed the real meaning of Imamat. Sog is a different thing which is one's personal choice, I like those Zikr in which they go over Fazael rather than Masaeb. It makes a lot of sense through those Fazael to see how some sects of Islam consider Hazrat Muhammad's own family as non muslim and some consider them muslim. I have never participated in violent kind of sog, so have no opinion about that. Tazia's also, I do not understand, but everyone has birth right to do what they consider in their belief. If I am not up for Tazias and Matam it smy personal choice and if someone goes for it, I have no objection to it. Life is too short so better do whatr we belive rather poking nose in others business. But finding truth is an obligation if considered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iamshani 0 Posted July 16, 2003 Salamz.. ya i wud be back after 27th as this topic needs time...:) C ya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted July 16, 2003 shani> my brother, i'm really missing u. plz b back soon :( dear Timepass, ur answer is not satisfactory (sorry to say that). Hazoor SAW nay phir 23 saal tak kyoon tableegh kee thee? kyoon logon ko mana kya tha k jo tum ibadat kartay ho woh shirk hay. kyoon logon k beliefs ko ghalat kaha aur kaha k saheeh deen par aajao. mairay bhai, yeh jo baat aap keh rahay hain na, woh non-Islamic hay. i've chatted with many non-muslims and i've found this concept in Polytheists and Pantheists. now do u believe they r the right ones? anywayz, tazia aur sog ko main nay kabhee ghalat naheen kaha. main nay agar kaha bhee hay to matam aur unnecessarily apnay aap par zulm karnay ko ghalat kaha hay aur main nay aisay karnay walon k baray main pehlay baqaida ahadith woh bhee saheeh bukhari walee ka hawala dya tha. i'll b back soon........ u reply till then. c ya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimePass 0 Posted July 17, 2003 just tell me when Sahi Bukhari was written and came into existance????? I myself not know that is why Iam asking you...You seem to have much more knowledge. Offcourse I am not that religious that is why my knowledge is limited. I just did not pass any remark about matam or tazias coz that might annoy some shias...I myself, just do not think that it make any sense. Again if someone follow that, I said I have no problem with it. I do not believe in it. coz of that if you put me in any ethist catagory, its ur descriptionand you have right to say what u want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted July 18, 2003 Imam Bukhari taba taba'een main say thay. aik aur hadeeth k mutabiq Hazoor SAw naay farmaya k sab say behtereen mairee sadee hay aur phir us k baad walee aur phir us k baad walee. taba taba'een doosree teesree sadee main aatay hain. bahar haal, main nay pehlay bhee clear kardya hay k hadeethain jhootee bhee hotee hain laikin siha sitta kee ahadeeth bilkul saheeh hotee hain. aur aahadeeth kee hifazat ka zimma khud Allah nay lya hay jis tarah Quran kee hifazat ka zimma khud Allah nay lya hay. Imam Bukhari jab ahadeeth ko achee tarah chaant laytay thay to phir istikhara kar k Saheeh Bukhari main likhtay. Imam Bukhari kee zahanat bhee bohot mash'hoor hay. zaahir hee baat hay Allah nay apnay nabee kee ahadeeth ko mehfooz karnay k lyay khaas khaas banday he chunnay thay. However, main nay aap ko bilkul athiest ya koi aur theist naheen kaha. main nay to kaha tha k yeh theists kee soch hay jis soch say aap baat karrahay hain. bahar haal, aap pichlee posts ko bhee achee tarah parhain aur phir aap ko koi baat samajh na aay to bataain ya aap kisee baat ko ghalat samajh rahay hain to saabit kar k bataain. aur agar mairee koi baat waqaee ghalat niklee to main bilkul maannay k lyay tayyar hoon. :) g2g now c ya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimePass 0 Posted July 20, 2003 you did not answe my question, when Bukhari came into existance. I am just asking my own question coz i think you can answer those, I think its better if u answer me direct as going back to previous posts and read all stuff is kind of hard ...I read atleast first two pages, but then again that stuff I am not seeking answers to. If you are busy , as this post already took so much of ur time, you do not have to answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted October 12, 2003 neither shani here nor meeri.. hey meeri wont u tell timepass the details? ... i dun know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted October 14, 2003 Hello my friends... actually, i'm really bz these days and i come on net very few. anyway, i've already mentioned my answer in the last post. consult the first para... as soon as my exams r over, i'll b once again regular. :) cheers!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted November 13, 2003 Hello my friends! well, this topic had remained untouched for a long time.......... its good to have sincere discussions for the sake of truth. as my old friend shani said that he wont b able to contribute in here anymore and told me to carry on, but i will try to revive this topic if others agree. i think i might need Nazish to contribute in here too. plz do if can waiting for others to join in then shall start the topic :) PS: NO FIGHTING ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
umair.zm 0 Posted November 14, 2003 guyss banda hazir hia :D ...... any thing to share for?> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted November 15, 2003 umair! thanx for ur share. yes, this topic really needs u... actually, we were having a looooooonnnggggg discussion on the issue of Hazrat Hussain RA's martyr in Karbala on 10th Muharram. bohot behes ho chukee hay laikin yeh topic beech main he reh gya tha. bohot sy log aay aur chulay bhee gaay :D well, i'm ready here to talk with every1! umair bhai, if u wanna know how gr8 discussion went, take a look in the previous posts but it'll sure take a lot of time ;) main nay itnee lambee lambee choree hain k aadmee paraishan ho jata hay :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted November 19, 2003 i was going to say that.... umair is surely invited here.. meeri u 4got me meeri bas app ne chori hi hain :) dont mind :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted November 20, 2003 hahaha fati........ waisay main kitnee zabardast choreta hoon na ;) and hey, u're already a member of this topic isnt it? so why invite? hehehe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted November 20, 2003 bilqul sachi baat kahi hai. agreed for the first time 100% ya im here.. bardasht karo :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted November 20, 2003 bardasht to ab aap ko karna paray ga ;) hehehe (kiddin! dont mind :) ) so should i go ahead? hehehe and where's shani? feeling his absence :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted November 20, 2003 <font color='#000000'>Salaam fati....!pussy cat, pussy cat, where have u been? :D thank God that u atleast reply :) look sis, there r 3 possibilities for a person after a discussion: 1) Accept other as he's right. 2) Reject others view if he/she is wrong and not to go away until his/her complete satisfaction. 3) Question further to find out if he/she is completely right. in 3 baaton k ilawa wohee hay k na khud satisfaction aur na he doosray kee. siraf keh daina he kaafee naheen k hum satisfied hain jab k naa aap k paas koi ma'qool jawab ho ya aap kee baat saheeh na ban rahee ho. bhala yeh to bataain k aap ko mairee konsee baat ghalat lagee? kya yeh baat ghalat thee k main nay kaha k Hazrat Imam Hussain RA 10th Muharram ko shaheed naheen huay? is k proof k lyay bhee main nay aap ko bataya tha k aap calculations kar k daikh lain aur phir aap ko ma'loom ho jaay ga. kya aap ko mairee yeh baat buree lagee k main nay kaha k bain karna Islam main jaaiz naheen aur us k lyay main nay Siha Sitta kee ahadeeth bhee bataee thee jab k aap un ahadeeth k muqablay main shuk-o-shuba say bharee huee kitaabon k hawalajaat bata rahee theen aur agar aap ko yaqeen naheen aata to aap unhee kitabon ko consult karain aur daikhain k un main aur kitnee aisee baatain hon gee jin par aap ka dil khud mutma'in naheen ho ga (agar zameer zinda ho to phir :) ) jahan tak maira khyal hay to main nay Ilyaseen aur Alyaseen ya Aal-e-Yaseen k baaray main bhee clear kardya tha k Banu asad kee lughat main is ko Alyaseen kaha jaata hay laikin yeh aik arabee lughat ka andaz hay jaisay Meekaal Meeka'eel k lyay aur Toor-e-seeneen toor-e-seena k lyay etc. aur yeh misalain aap ko Qur'an he say mil jaain gee. is lyay is main bhee koi buree ya ghalat lagnay walee baat naheen. raha us kee baat k main nay kaha k siraf Hazoor SAW he ko follow karna chahyay aur us k baad sahaba-e-karam ko jin main ahlebait bhee hain aur khulfa waghaira bhee. aur yeh bhee k siraf Hazrat Hussain k lyay he kyoon mourning kee jaatee hay jab k Hazoor SAW kee wafat par to khushyan manaee jaatee hain. ab aap bataain k is main kya baat ghalat hay. mujhay pata hay k aap ka yehee jawab ho ga k Hazrat Hussain bohot he aala hastee thay aur is lyay un k lyay roya jaata hay. main yehee kahoon ga k Islam aik taraqqee yaaftaa deen hay. aur Islam main mayyat k lyay har waqt ronay say bhee mana' kya hay kyoon k Bukhari kee hadeeth k mutabiq us mayyat ko us ka nuqsan pohonchta hay (agar mayyat nay apnay ghar walon ko mana na kya ho) haalaan k Hazrat Hussain RA Karbala k lyay nikalnay say pehlay apnay ghar walon ko naseehat kar gaay thay k main agar shaheed kardya gya to ziada gham na manana. ab aaj kal k Musalman to khud un kee baat he kee mukhalfat kartay hain aur kehtay hain k humain un say bara pyar hay. INSANE! phir bhee agar bohot he ziada ghum hay kisee baat ka aur naheen control kya jaa sakta to theek hay, royain. aur ronay main bhee koi harj naheen. khud hazoor SAW beebee Aamna kee qabar par jaa kar roay thay k Allah nay unhain mana' kya tha k un k lyay maghfirat kee dua naheen karsaktay kyoon k un ka faisla Allah k haath main hay. laikin hazoor SAW kabhee cheekhopukar kar k kabhee naheen roay k logon ko bhee dikhain aur sarak par aajain k sab mil kar ghum manaain. Islam main har cheez within limits hay. agar aap kehtee hain k yeh to insaan kee fitrat main hay ghum manana aur islam insaan kee fitrat k ain mutabiq hay. main bhee maanta hoon k islam insaan kee fitrat k ain mutabiq hay laikin zaroori naheen k har fitrat ko he accept kar baithay. is tarah to insaan kee fitrat main buraee karna bhee hay. to kya islam nay humaray lyay buraee jaaiz kardee? naheen! bulkay ussay roka....... umeed hay k aap mairee baat achee tarah samajh rahee hon gee aur naraz bhee naheen ho rahee hon gee. humain chahyay k hum saheeh deen ko talash karnay kee koshish karain bajaay is k k hum apnay aba-o-ajdad kee deen ko follow karain. surah a'araf main Allah nay bataya hay: "lest ye should say on the day of judgement: "Of this we were never mindful":Â Or lest ye should say:"Our father before us May have taken us to false gods, But we are (their) descendants After them : wilt thou then destroy us because of the deeds Of men who were futile?" [172-173] I think its enough for now. "Aqalmand k lyay ishara he kafee hay" :P Shani> where r u? u r just passing by and aint saying anythin......?! waiting for u too...... Allah Hafiz!</font> umair bhai...... yeh aik mairee post kee quoting hay jo k mairee pichlee posts kee summary keh lain...... it includes most of the points....... well what do u think abt this? B) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted November 20, 2003 ya missing an old member.. perhaps he may visit us... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted November 20, 2003 nice effort meeri :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
umair.zm 0 Posted November 21, 2003 really nice efort meeri :) ....ab kuch bacha hia share kariney ko :P aur meeri merey jigar kuch kam chora kar sara environment kharab kar diya hia ..... itnie badboo kar dee hia ja ab jakar NAHA LE :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted November 22, 2003 @ umair........... aik baat kee bhee samajh naheen aee :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted November 22, 2003 @ umair........... aik baat kee bhee samajh naheen aee :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
