Ibadat 2 Posted August 14, 2005 ab ye kahey hai n.. " aap ne kud se dekhi hain ye kitabain ? kud se parhi hain ?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bugs 0 Posted August 14, 2005 my prays are with you ali dost i hope keh if there is nay misunderstanding between our factions it can be cleared out , i have no questions n no arguements mein sub kay liey or apny liey dua goo hoon keh allah meray or apkay dil waseeh keray again best of luck ali bhai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted August 14, 2005 NA tum sadme hamain detey na hum faryad you kartey NA khultey raz sarbasta, na you ruswawiyan hoti SAHABA E KARAM KI AZMAT PAR 1 AYAT : "Muhammad sallallahu alehey waalihi wasalam , Allah ke rasool hain jo loog aap ki suhbat paye howey hain' wo kafiroon ke mukabliye main sakhat hain' apas main meharban hain ' tu in ko dekhey ga ke kabhii ruku kar rahey hain kabhi sajdey kar rahey hain Allah Tala ke fazal wa razamandi ki justujo main lage howey hain' in ke asar sajdey ki taseer un ke cehroon par numayan hain ye un ke osaf turat main hain' or injeel main un ke ye wasf hai ke jesey kheti ke us ne apni sowii nikalii phir us ne us ko kawi kai' phir kheeti or moti howii phir apne tane par seedha kkhari ho gai' kisanoon ko bhali malooom ho ne lagi take un ke (sahaba e karam)us halat se kfiroon ko hasad main jala dey' un sahiboon se jo ke Eman laey hain or neek kaam kar rahey ahin' magfirat or ajar e azeem ka vada ar rakha hai" (SURA E FATAH ayat 29 ) SURAH E HUJRAT Ayat no 7 main Shaba e Karam rizwan ullaH alehim wa ajmaeen ki tareef main Allah Tala farmatye hai_ jis kaa ssaaf matlab ye hai ke ALLAH TALA ne tum apr Aey Ashab e Muhammadia inaam farmaya hie ke Eman ki muahabbat tumharey diloon main peeda kar di or tumharey kuloob o Eman ki zeenat se muzaiin kar dia or kufat fasaq or maeesat ki nafrat tumahrey under peeda kar di or yahi loog hidayat yafta hain_ ___ lekin Shiya Quran e Pak ke Khilaf ja kar baat kartey hain : sad : : sad : sad : Mula bakir majlisi apni kitab "een ul haya" main likha hia_ "tamam sahaba Hazoor sallallahu alehey waalihi wasalam ki wafat ke bad murtid ho gaye htey or Deen se phir gaye they_"(naoozubiLlah) "wo dunu kafir thye or jo un ko doost rakhey wo bhi kafir hii" (Haq ul yakeen) baki Alexender ne bhi di hain in ke kitaboon se proves : sad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted August 14, 2005 MUSALMAOON BARA SH00q HAIN NA TUMAHIN IN SE DOOSTI GARNE KA .... PARHU APNE BAREY MAIN ...IN KE HASEEEEN KHAYALAT "JIS JAGA SUNNI WALDUZ ZANA (HARAMI) GUSAL KAREY US JAGA GUSAL NA KAROO OR NA US JAGA GUSAL KAROO JAHAN NASBI GUSAL KARTA HAIN _KIUKEY WO VALUZ ZANA SE BHI BADTAR HAIN_ALLAH TALA NE APNI MAKHLOOQ MAIN SE SAB SE ZALEEL KUTTEY KO PEEDA KAI HAI_NASBI KUTEY SE BHI ZIYADA ZALEEL HAIN_" (NASBI _ SUNnI) (yaK UL YAKEEN SAFAH 516 MATBOOA E ERAN) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted August 14, 2005 MUSALMAOON BARA SH00q HAIN NA TUMAHIN IN SE DOOSTI GARNE KA .... PARHU APNE BAREY MAIN ...IN KE HASEEEEN KHAYALAT "JIS JAGA SUNNI WALDUZ ZANA (HARAMI) GUSAL KAREY US JAGA GUSAL NA KAROO OR NA US JAGA GUSAL KAROO JAHAN NASBI GUSAL KARTA HAIN _KIUKEY WO VALUZ ZANA SE BHI BADTAR HAIN_ALLAH TALA NE APNI MAKHLOOQ MAIN SE SAB SE ZALEEL KUTTEY KO PEEDA KAI HAI_NASBI KUTEY SE BHI ZIYADA ZALEEL HAIN_" (NASBI _ SUNnI) (yaK UL YAKEEN SAFAH 516 MATBOOA E ERAN) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ariba 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Laughing Out Loud!!!! Aankhien hain ya Button??? Apki aisi batoon kay jawab kay liye humein apna level low karna parta hai,itni giri hui batien karna apko hi zaib deta hai,issliye no any attack.app logon ne baroon baroon ko nahin chora iss mouamly main hum kaise chot sakty hain. Laughing Out Loud!!!! At wat?Uss Hadith per jo main ne post ki,jiskay ravi Hazart Ali(R.A) hain??(Atagfirullah)Again no comments on it from ur side. Well, aap tou mujhy aisey Slander ker rahi hain k jaisey main apney Deen k Himaayat ker k Gunah-e-Kabeerah ker raha hoon lol Lolzzz kabhi kabhi sach b nikal jata hai baydehani main.U r hundred percent right.app kabeerah gunnah hi kar rahay hain. Main Ney aap ki Post parhii hain...aisey hi Andha Dhun aap k Alfaaz ko Quote nahi kiya hai... Acha to main ne aik question poocha hai usska jawab abhi tak mosool nahin hua.uss per apki khamoshi ka main kiya matlab smajhoon? Wah Areeba Ji Wah! SubhanAllah.... AlhamduLilah.D Yeah aap ney Khud hi Imamate per Fatwa pass ker diya...Main ney abhi 5 Ahadees quote ki hain un ki koi Ehmiyat nahi??? Behen jii .... agar aap ko woh ahadees nazar nahi aaen to aap k Siha Sitta sey Prove ker dyta hoon... Mind it!!!App per sehahe sittah ka naam lena kuch suit nahin karta.Sahaba Ikram(R.A) to sawaiee chand aik kay apki nazar main tub hi murtad hoogay(nauz biAllah)jab unhoon ne Hazart Abu Bakar(R.A) kay hath per bait ki.Aub unki baat ka app kaise bayan kar sakty hain? Secondly........Inn kitaboon kay musnafeen main see kisi ka b 12 imamoon wala aqeedah nahin tha. K Imamate ka Sang-e-Bunyaad ... jissey aap ney Fitnah ka Naam Dy dya Baghair kisi Daleel k... Ohh yes daleel ,daleel to hai apki apni book see.Mashoor shia alim Kashiy apni kitab marifa-tu-rijal pg no 101 per likhtay hainkeh shia aqed ka izhar sab see pehly Abdullah ibne saba ne kiya tha jo pehly yahoodi tha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted August 14, 2005 Mr. Ali darub (m i right ?) pliz zat par na kraey baat... yahan behas Deen par ho rahi ha. Akaid par .. wo hi kary plizz.. ye zaat par na karey plizz... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ariba 0 Posted August 14, 2005 Baqi reh gaiee baat imamoon ki to chalin woh b clear kar hi doon. Imaam ki chioce main jitna ikhtelaf apki books main zikar kiya gaya hai iss nee unkay min janib Allah na hone ka saboot milta hai.14 firqy to apkay imamoon ki choice main hi hoo gay.see ur book 'fariq shia" written by nobakhti n "rijal kashiy" Phir sab see heran kun baat yeh keh jis zamane ko Hazorr(SAW) ne khair ul qaroon kaha,uss main to apkay imam tavatur kay saath tashreef latay gay.lakin jaise hi shar ka zaman shuru hua aur hidayat ki zaroorat pari,appkay 12 imam roposh hoo gay. Aub b shai hazart shooq kay alim main baithy hain unka intezar kar rahay hain aur woh hain keh apna jalva hi nahin karva rahay Aik firqe kay mutabiq woh Imam Hassan Askari ka baita tha.yeh sahab zade 4,5 saal ki umer main apne shher kay aik ghar main ja chupay aur tamam chzein jo imamat ka lavazima hain, mislan Hazart Ali(R.A) ka likha hua sahefa,qadeem asmani kitabien,inbiya ikaram kay moujizat jaise hazart mousa(A.S) ka asa,Hazart suleman(A.S) ki angothi waghera waghera b apne saath lay gay.aub becharay shia hazarat inn sab cheezon jin main Quraan b shamil hai see mehroom hain. Agar app yeh kahty hain keh woh Imam Mehdi hain to janab,imam mehdi(A.S) ka naam Mouhammad bin Abdullah hoo ga(abu daoud pg no 588) yani ke walid ka naam Abdullah hoo ga.na keh hassan askari Imam mehdi ki umer-e- mubarak 40 saal hoo gi.(Abu dawood sharif 589 pg).woh 12 soo saal see ghar main chupay huay nahin hoongay Sirf yehi nahin iss kay ilawa b bohut see doubts hain jin ka jawab appkay pass nahin. Haq Rasta saaf aur wazeh hai,uss main koe aisa aqeeda nahin jis ko qabool karne see aqal inkar kar day.haan albatah zehan per charha hua mail,hatdhurmi aur akabreen see anad ki wajah see Allah Hidayat ki rooshni ko salb kar lete hain. 72 firkoon wali Hadith kay mitabiq yeh hona tha keh ummat kay 72 firke bane,lakin un main see sahi "MA ANA ALEH WA ASHABEE"hai na keh un logon ka jo sahaba ko gali dete hain. Allah ka shukar hai keh aik din jisko rooz-e-jaza kahtay hain woh aye ga,aur us din sab kay pool khul jain gay.koon mushkil kusha hai aur us din sab kisko pukarein gay yeh b pata chul gay ga. So agar ajj nahi to kal ko sab wazeh ho jay ga. I tried my best to adopt the best possble way.main ne apki dhukti hui ragoon ko b nahin chaira. Communtiy kay kuch asool hoty hain un kay ander reh kar app see bat ki hai.i dont want to spoil the envirnoment,aur na hi main yeh chahti thi ke app mere samne kisi b bazurg ko bura bhala kahain. I wont b able to join this discussion anymore.its due to unavailbilty of PC.shaid 2 weeks main wapis ajaon aur tab tak 12 imam ka zahoor hoo chuka hoo.lolz Thanks to Admins for letting us free discussion,thanks to those who Did PM to me regarding this matter.n thanks to those who read this topic AT LAST I PRAY FOR ALL THAT MAY ALLAH SHOW LIGHT TO FOLLOW THE RIGHT PATH.(Ameen) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted August 14, 2005 we will miss u AReeba in this disscussion... n inshAllah ul aziz aap ki duwa sath hain ... tu jab tak aap aye gi .. tab tak v will prove our faiths right ... n v will prve that shiyas hav fake faiths... n that they r not Muslims .. inshAllah ul Aziz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bugs 0 Posted August 15, 2005 itni nufrat hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm too bad for our nation man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted August 15, 2005 itni nufrat hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm too bad for our nation man. aap sirf nafrat ki baat ker rahay hain???? jis shakhs k ya jis qom k aisey ghaleez Aqaaid hon k ALlah per bhi bohtaan baandhay....RasoolALLAH SALALLAHO ALAIHEWASALLAM ki gustaakhi kerey .......Sahaba ki shaan main kufrya alfaaz istimaal kerey.........OOn mUqaddas hastion ko gaali dey.......aisa shakhs ya aisi Qom Waajib-ul-Qatal hai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted August 15, 2005 IBADAT and ARIBA>>>> aap ka kaha hua ek ek lafz bilkul haq or sach hai....Allah jazaye khair ata frmaye Mansoor> Thanks brother Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted August 15, 2005 NO REPLAYYYY ....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mansoor 0 Posted August 24, 2005 hmm frnds ! did u ever thought why MOST ( sum 98%) singers , dancers , fil /tv acter/actresses ... Amil/najoomis are Shia ??? is this just a chance OR sum deep rooted reasons/conspiracy on the back ?? well thats sum thing for u ppl to think .. i know iss topic par merry kaffi replies due hain and i shall be back here Mansoor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted August 24, 2005 hmm frnds ! did u ever thought why MOST ( sum 98%) singers , dancers , fil /tv acter/actresses ... Amil/najoomis are Shia ??? is this just a chance OR sum deep rooted reasons/conspiracy on the back ?? well thats sum thing for u ppl to think .. i know iss topic par merry kaffi replies due hain and i shall be back here Mansoor Mansoor Bhai is k peechay ek Bohot Bari reason hai.............and the reason is very funny , merey khyaal main........ inshaAllah I will try to tell u the reason of involving of Shias in these ShowBiz and other bad things! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted August 25, 2005 hmm frnds ! did u ever thought why MOST ( sum 98%) singers , dancers , fil /tv acter/actresses ... Amil/najoomis are Shia ??? The reason is.....: According to SHia Beliefs......Shia ka ,jo apnay aap ko Momineen kehtey hain ,k aqeedah ye hai k Shia chahay kaisey he ghalat kaam kion na kerein....chahay Zina kerein...CHahay CHori kerein.........Sood khayein....Namaz na perhein....... in k in Gunaaho ki wajah sey in ki pakar nahi ho gi...bal k Qiamat k din in k ye Gunaah Hum Musalmaano k sir per daal ker inhein jannat main daakhil ker dia jaayega....NaaoozooBillah.....Or ye tou Choonkay " Ahle Bait" sey hain tou inhein koi nahi poochay ga!! agar chey ye log Ahl-e-Bait nahi hain lekin phir bhi apnay aapko Ahl-e-Bait kehtey phirtay hain.......or in ki khidmat main arz ye hai k Qiamat k din insaan k sirf apnay aamaal kaam aayein gey...acchay Aamaal hon gey tou Jannat or burey aamaal ka wazan bhaari ho ga tou DOzakh ki aag...........Oos Din tou koi apni maa ko nahi pehchanay ga.....her ek apni fiker main laga hoga.....k main kisi tarah bach jaaoon..........Nabi Akram (SAW) ne ek martaba Hazrat Fatima (RA) sey fermaya k tum dozakh ki aag sey is waja sey nahi bacho gi k tum meri beti ho bal k tumhain tou tumharay Aamaal Dozakh ki aag sey bachayein gey................ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaman_Eman 0 Posted August 25, 2005 Alexander, Ibadat n ariba Excellent ! MAhsAllah great effort .. i read your whole reply but here i tell u somthing.. unfortunately i have very limited knowledge in regarding this but here i would like to share my Own personal experience..first... ya Ali here i 'll quote your words.. Munaifq ki ek Nishaani yehi hoti hai k woh Khabar ki tazdeeq kery baghair hii aagy phelaa dy ta hai.... Allahamdulliah main pakki or sachi musalman hon es liyee main yahaan jou baat aap sai share karnay ja rehi hon wo 101% sach hai and i m Eye witness of this ... As u know Shia religion main Zuljinah (horse) ko buht aaham muqam hasil hai ..or kiya aap ko pata hai ye Zuljinah ko Sajda kertay hain??? ye na main nai kesi sai suna or na kahein parah bal k ..apni akhoon sai dekha hai. ye 10th of Muharam ko Zuljinah tayaar kertay hain tou tayaree kai baad os family kai saray male .. female even kids be osay sajda kertay hain and believe me jab main nai yeh sab dekha tou main rooh tak Allah kai khoof sai kanap gai thee k kiya Allah en ko maaf ker day gein. don't know mujay ye aap sai share kerna chahyee thaa ya nahi lakin aap sab k etnay Bold replies nai mujay himmat de..or main ye likh diya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted August 26, 2005 As u know Shia religion main Zuljinah (horse) ko buht aaham muqam hasil hai ..or kiya aap ko pata hai ye Zuljinah ko Sajda kertay hain??? ye na main nai kesi sai suna or na kahein parah bal k ..apni akhoon sai dekha hai. sirf ye he nahi bal k apni khawateen ko, baccho ko is ZulJinaah k neechay sey guzaartey hain barkat haasil kerney k liye..........ye main ne bhi apni aankhon sey dekha hai.........or main is k liye qasam uthanay k liye bhi tayaar hoon Zera sochiye ! SHia main or Hindu main kia ferq hua??? Hindu COw ki pooja kertey hain or Shia Horse ki....... haqeeqat tou ye hai k SHia main Dunya k her her kaafir ki nishaanian mojood hain........... SHia Kaainaat ka Badtareen or Ghaliz Tareen Kaafir hai! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted September 3, 2005 (edited) Jazak Allah bohat he behtreen mehnut hai abhi main is topic ko poora to nahi perh payee lakin jitna perha hay woh behtreen hay Allah ki teraf say jub dilon per muhar or ankhoon per perdai dal jain to phir kon hiidyat dainay wala hai ik jahil or an perh insan bhi itnee waziha batoon ko samjh ker apni aqal say jan sakta hay kia sahee or kia ghalat hay in logoon ki misal quran main yoon paisah atee hay kay woh shaks jis ko us kay buray Ammal arasta ker k dikhaye jain (bawjha Allah kay Qahar k )or woh un ko Acha samjh raha ho to (ay nabi app ghamgeen na hona) woh Iman na lain gay Ulma-e-haq yahan tuk fermatai hain Rawafiz ko kafiir na mannay wala khud Kafir hay ....quran main Allah nay aisai logoon ki sakht mazmat fermaye hay jo Allah kay dushmanoo say dostee kertai hain ajj kal log Dost ka mutlub samjhay baghir non muslim ko dost bana ker fakheriya batay hain hamray dost hain ..yeh sirf or sirf Quran ki taleemat ki naffi hay Allah apna rehum fermayee or HAq kay rastoon per chalnay ki tofeeq ata fermaye or in rastoon per shahdat ki moot naseeb fermaye ! Edited September 3, 2005 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute_ooky 0 Posted September 5, 2005 OHH MY GOD.. Astaghfirullah.. now that I read the topic and the behes (arguments) between you guys.. I feel like crying!! May Allah give you guys hidayat! One thing I would say from my side.. plz don't generalize.. I have Shia friends and between them.. I have seen a lot jin ke aqaid hum logon se.. sunnion se kuch mukhtalif nahi!! They say the same kalima.. read Quran... cover up.. their beliefs are the same as ours.. the only difference is their roots.. and then there are some.. joh ke kufar ki had tuk guzar jane walon mai se hain! Im really really upset after reading all this. I know you guys know it already but just remindng you.. we are not the ones to judge/decide who is kafir and who isn't! It's up to Allah.. He is the one who gives hidaya and decides... Maybe for you guys it isn't such a great deal because most of u.. live in Muslim countries and you have all the sects infront of you.. and thats why ur arguing .. its easy for you to call each other kafir and attack all u want but here in canada.. Alhamdulillah all of us stick together.. and this way instead of just arguing we actually learn more.. because we know that our quantity isn't big enough as the non-muslims.. This is where the realization comes.. This shia sunni thing is more of a political issue than a religious one.. Nobody wants to be open minded but instead everyone wants to attack other's opinions.. Don't u see it's all different of thoughts/opinions.. So what we have to do is elevate our mind levels.. be open minded because u all know.. we can't see with our eyes closed.. we can't hear with our ears plugged and similary we can't LEARN with a closed mind! All of you guys know better than me.. You have knowledge.. So use it the right way at the right spot.. instead of arguing abt the differences.. Its sad n sick! Wasalam.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted September 6, 2005 (edited) I have seen a lot jin ke aqaid hum logon se.. sunnion se kuch mukhtalif nahi!! They say the same kalima.. read Quran... cover up.. their beliefs are the same as ours.. the only difference is their roots.. and then there are some.. joh ke kufar ki had tuk guzar jane walon mai se hain! aimon ager aisa kuch nahi to woh na shia hain na kaffir ..yahan bat un ki ho rahee hay jo yeh aqqaid rakjhtay hain or shia mazhab kay ulma nay jo kuch likha hay or un kay jo aqaid hain woh kufferiya hee hain ..shai wohe hain jo apnai ulma kay peechay chaltay hain ..un ki taleemat per ammal kertay hain jis terah muslman woh hay jo kalma perhnay kay bad quran or hadees per ammal bhi rakhay sirf qalma kehay or ammal na keray to woh muslman nahi hota Im really really upset after reading all this. I know you guys know ialready but just remindng you.. we are not the ones to judge/decide who is kafir and who isn't! It's up to Allah.. He is the one who gives hidaya and decides... yahan is topic main kissi nay apne raye nahi dee ..ahadees quran ulma kay hawalay say bat kee ja rahee hain ....Allah tala nay insan ko apna deen phylanay kay ley zammen per bheja ager app kuffer or haq kay dermyan ferq nahi batain gee to sahee rasta kaisai janian gee Allah hee ka quran main hukam hay kay achaye ka hukam do or burayee say rokoo...or jin ko nahi maloom owh ilm rakhnay waloon say poochain Allah nay quran main kafir ki her nishane bata dee...Allah nay quran main apnay dushmanoo ki nishan dahe ker dee takay qayamat kay din makhlooq yeh bat na kahay humain to maloom he nahi kafir ko kafir kehna haq hay . app nay 1st pages main kia shaia aqaid nahi perhay is kay bawjood app ko lagta hay woh muslman hain .. deen hamray taluqat kay muabiq nahi hay ..hum ko apnai taluqat deen kay mutabiq banany hain app jain kissi bhi Alim say poch lain ... .app apnay chand jannay waloon ko dekh ker Ulma kay fatwa per kis terah bat ker sakteen hain ? ager isee terah her insan apni mushiday per yaqeen kernai lagay to islam khilona bun jayee jis ko jo sahe lagay woh keray or jo na lagay woh chor day quran main Allah fermatay hain or mere makhlooq main sub say zyada mujh say dernay walay Ilm rakhnay walay (ulma karam ) hain jo bat app soochte hain un ko nahi pata ho ga? ? This shia sunni thing is more of a political issue than a religious one.. Nobody wants to be open minded but instead everyone wants to attack other's opinions.. Don't u see it's all different of thoughts/opinions.. So what we have to do is elevate our mind levels.. be open minded because u all know.. aimon ...app ko is waqt bohat zyada guid line ki zaroorat hay is baray main ..app ko ahsas tuk nahi hay kay app ki yeh bat kia qader ghalat hay jub hazrat moosa Aly salam nay haq ki tableegh ki to quran maina ta hay firoon nay foran apnai qoom ko kaha yeh to syasee bat hay mazhab say taluq nahi App salal allho alyhi walsAM NAY JUB QURAISH KI DAWAT-E-DEEN KI TERAF BULAYA TO ABU JAHAL NAY NARA LAGAYA YEH TO SYASt hay yeh kuffar ka tareeqa hay deen ki bat ki syasee rung daina or us ka asser kahtum kerna we can't see with our eyes closed.. we can't hear with our ears plugged and similary we can't LEARN with a closed mind! ankhain or kam wohe suntay hain jo app sunana chahain ..is ley to Alla fermatay hain jin kay diloon or kanoo per hum perda dal dain phir woh hidyat paa he nahi saktay Quran dekhain us main kia likha hadees samjhain apnay salf-e-salheen kay tareeqay dakain in batoon ko apni ankh or kan bana lain kabhi kisi shak main nahi perain gee aimon mere app say request hay ..app plz kissi alim say is maslay per bat kerain ..or sora muhammad ko terjuma tafseer kay sath zaroor perhan ... Allah hum sub ki rehnumaye fermaye or humain apnay naik bandoon kay rastay per chalaye or un per aytamd kernay wala banayee ameen Edited September 6, 2005 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute_ooky 0 Posted September 6, 2005 Salam once again, Rukh I have been reading this topic for a while now.. When I first read it... I din't say anything.. because I didn't think I had enough knowledge to disprove or critisize points made by others.. Another thing.. I think I sed it up there.. but once again I know u guys have more knowledge abt it.. Now let me clear to you the points that I tried to make.. This shia sunni thing is more of a political issue than a religious one.. Nobody wants to be open minded but instead everyone wants to attack other's opinions.. Don't u see it's all different of thoughts/opinions.. So what we have to do is elevate our mind levels.. be open minded because u all know.. Ok first of all.. joh kuch bhi mai ne kaha.. I sed it based on what happens here in WINDSOR.. where I live.. and what I see.. The way u analyzed it.. is not what I meant to say.. I dun want to live with guilt.. so let me clear to you what I wanted to say.. ok At our university.. we had MSA.. Muslim Student Association.. for Muslims in general.. not for Sunnis only.. When we made it.. most of the.. actually all of the administrative part were sunnies.. so whenever we'd invite speaker (alims) to come and talk on occasions such as Eid etc.. our priority would be sunni speakers.. seeing that.. Shias separated.. and they made their MSF (Muslim Student Federation) .. now ppl especially Non Muslims would come up to us and ask.. ok.. so who is right? Whats the different between the two? and if all u guys are Muslims then why are u separate.. I remember asking the head person of MSF.. abt it and she told me that ohh there isn't much difference.. its just that our platforms are different..like they wanted to celebrate Ashura etc but it was mainly for shia'as.. seeing that shia students from MSA unjoined MSA and went in MSF.. and whats happening with MSF? its unactive now.. What is this? Isn't it politics?? To the non muslims we want to make Islam appealing for them but when us Muslims can't stick together.. then whats the use? But then again u know we can't blame them for this.. U know this too.. After Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) passed away.. the scholar-interpreters that came.. for example us Sunnis.. there's hanafi.. shafi etc.. but for shia's their interpretors are different.. One of my shia friends told me abt this ayat in Quran.. the way its interpreted by Sunni scholars is diff... I remember her saying.. exact opposite than what the Shia interpreted it as.. Maybe Im being too idealistic here but .. by open mindedness what I meant was why can't we both be open minded.. sit .. and be tolerant enough to listen to each other.. but I guess that's not going to happen because its been going on for too long and no one wants to listen to each other.. or blv in the references!! And .. I was upset this whole time.. because of what Alexander sed... Shia qainaat ke badtareen or ghaliz tareen kafir hain.. abt that.. May Allah forgive but WE ARE NOT TO JUDGE WHO IS RIGHT WHO IS WRONG.. I mean clearing out misconceptions.. is FINE.. but attacking each other is not.. Jaise sunnion mai faraq hota hai bilkul waise hi there are different shias.. Rukh .. u might be right.. even if u guys are talkin abt those whose aqaid are wrong! why generalize? We dunno.. kia Pata Allah kis ko hidayat de.. Why blame the whole nation? With this .. Im out of this topic... Bilal Bhai.. I can see.. you are always right!! Too bad man.. too bad! :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted September 6, 2005 (edited) ********** mera pc again kharab ho gaya tha... or main bad main aprhu gi ke yahan kaik ia howa.. good tu c Rukh here... WElcome Rukh ! ibadat plz dont write these type of messege hum yahan haq or batail ka ferq bayan ker rahay hain kissi ko neecha dikha ya harana ya bhagana maqsad nahi dats y i edit ur post .. Edited September 7, 2005 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted September 7, 2005 (edited) aimon > main sirf ik bat kahoon geee..ager app is ko samjh gayeen to phir kissi or bat ki zaroorat nahi or nahi samjh pain to phir main jitna bhi likhoon gee shaid faida na ho ISlam ko phyalana ..deen ki tableegh hamree sooch ya hamree palannings say nahi ho geee islam ko islam kay bataye hoye tareqoon per phylana hay ..ab app ki aqal us ko tasleem keray ya non muslims us per argu kerain is say na islam ka tareqa badlay ga na asool Qadynai..aga khnai yeh bhi kfir hain right . lakin apnay app ko muslim kehtay hain ...ab sirf is bat kay der say kay non muslim kia kahain gay kay yeh saray muslman hain to alag alag kion hain app un ko bhi muslman keh dain gee? nahi sis dont do this ..Allah na Apna Deen mazboot banya hay ..us main koi zara baraber bhi kamzore nahi app salal Allaho alyhi waslam kay door main zakat kay 8 masarif thay jin main ik group woh tha jo new muslim thay or un ka iman chonkay kamzor tha is ley zakat de jate takay kisi male preshanee say islam na chor dain but in khilafat of hazrat abu baker razi aallah tala anu ...in ko khatum ker diya gya Hazrat umer razi alla tala anhu nay fermaya kay in logon ko ab zakat nahi milay geee ..jis ko islam lana hay layee or islam say phiray ga us kay ley mere talwar kafee hay Hazrat abu baker rrazi allah tala anhu nay jub Murtadeen kay khilaf jahad ka hukam diya to Sahaba nay mashwera diya ..ka ayy ameer ul momneen is terah to muslman ki taqat toott jaye gee kufaar ko bahana mil jaye ga kay k yeh to apnay logon ko he martay hain Hazrat abu baker razi Allah tala anhu nay fermaya tum mere sath do ya na do main apni akhre sans tuk in say leroon ga (not remember exact word) aimon shai kaffir hain is ka faisla Quran or hadees khud kerta hay ..Allah fermatay hain shirk na kerna ..Shia shirk kertay hain Hazrat Ali ko Allah kay maqam tuk latay hain ... Allah nay fermaya meray Ashab kay baray main dero Shiaoon nay Ashab per buhtan bandha Allah fermatay jo rasool kahay woh kero ur jo mana keray us say ruk jaoo shaioon nay apni azan apna roza apna kalma apna quran sub khud ghera? ik insan poora quran bhi man lay or sirf ik nuqtay say inkar ker day us ka iman khatum hay ...or yeh log to kehtay hain kay Quran apni asale halat main hay hee nahi aimon Allah kis ko hidyat day we dont know ..hum kissi insan ka nam lay ker us ko kaffir nahi keh rahay we said who r shias ( asal main un ko RAWAFIZ) kaha jata hay Shia ka sirf ik firqa aisa hay jo muslim hai lakin woh pakistan main nahi hay ...lakin RAwafiz term say awam waqif nahi isee or Shia hee lafz yeh log istimal kertay hain app Molana yousaf ludhyanwi ya hakeem ul ummat molana ashraf ali thanwi ko jante hoon geee ...app in ki books perh lain shiaoon per app ko koi shak hay to bakee hanfi shahi hunbali maliki thay all r muslims...in ka aqaid main koi ikhtilaf nahi jis maslon main ikhtilaf hay woh sahaba kay dor say raha hay or yeh quran say sabit hay kon ghalat hay kon sahee is ka faisla Ulma karam ko kernay ka haq Allah ki teraf say hay kay Allah khud fermatay hain jo nahi jantay woh ilm rakhnay waloon say pochain app ik lamhay ko sochain ager sub ko muslman keh diya jayee to ik aam insan paghal ho jayee ba shai qadynai agha khani bohree in kay Aqeeday or hamaray aqaid itna mukhtalif hain kay in sub per amal nahi ho sakta. Alim Anbia kay warseen hain or un ko Apnai nabi ki taleemat ko hum tuk pohnchana hay ...or kia sahe kia ghalat sub bilkul waziaha hay jo kehta hay kay her alim alag bet kerta hay woh us ka nafs ka chor hay us nay dil say koshosh hee nahi ki werna Allah apnay rah maina nay waloon ko kabhi nahi bhatkata jazak Allah mere koi bat bure ya sakht lagay to plz forgive me ..app ko nahi maloom but i really shocked when i read ur posts ...mashAlah say app kay aqaid canada reh ker bhi bohat mazboot hain lakin mere ley kafe heyrat or preshane ka bais hay kay app is mamlay main itne la ilm kis terh hain ..behrhal mere madad hamesha app kay ley hazir hay ibadat > thanx for welcome ..duaoon main yad rakhain ! Edited September 7, 2005 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibadat 2 Posted September 7, 2005 SORRY RUKH ! AINDA ESA NAHI HO GA ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
