Meeri 0 Posted April 19, 2003 This is one of the most important topics which i decided to create. In this, people can share their religious acceptance in accordance with the science. Please read all as it is worth reading and benefitial to u all. THE EXISTENCE OF GOD (The Truth): Quran is the word of God (Allah). Quran is not a science book. yet its Main Theme is "Guidance For People". Although, science is related to one of its topics. The scientific statements, commentries and places of Holy Quran had forced the scientists of the 21st Century to Believe in Allah. Let me tell u some of the scientific researches on Quran. But before this, I am about to tell you that "Where Is God?" Dear Readers, To distinguish among the Real God who is the creator of this universe, let me introduce Him to you. The scientists discovered that the formation of this universe is due to the BIG BANG. After this discovery, the scientist were forced to believe that if this universe came into being by a huge BANG, then what is this universe and where is the one who caused this universe to being? An American Astronomist, Hugh Ross, explains the condition of the time of this Bang. Please take a look at this: "If time's beginning is concurrent with the beginning of the universe, as the space-time theorem says, then the cause of the universe must be some entity operating in a time dimension completely independent of and pre existent to the time dimension of the cosmos.... it tells us that the creator is transcendent, operating beyond the dimension limits of the universe. It tells us that God is not the universe itself, nor is God contained within the universe." (The creator and the cosmos; How Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the century Reveal Gold P.76) Dear Readers, This American astronomist declared this in a book named The Creator and the cosmos and he further explained that How greatest the Scientific discoveries had been in this century that has proved the existence of Allah. Yes! And if an American scientist proves that when this universe formed by the BIG BANG and the creator of this universe which we see from our eyes, created it but The Creator is seperate entity which is not contained in this universe. Whereas, the American Astronomist recognised that Jesus was the part of this universe. God is not included in it. And if God is not included in this universe then How can u say Jesus Christ as a Son of God? The existence of Jesus Christ was a part of this universe. How was HE a part of this universe? Look in the following Quranic Verse: Christ the son of Mary was no more than an Apostle; many were the The Apostles that passed away Before Him. His mother Was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God doth make His Signs clear to them; Yet see in what ways They (who are the christians) are deluded Away from the truth! [The Table Spread,78] By My Lord! Quran has opened a great scientific truth about "eating food". Food is not prepared like this. But by a small system that helps it prepared to which is called Solar System. The head of this system i.e. The Sun, makes its sunlight in use. The Moon helps the food to grow from its cool radiating light (for both, u can say Photons). The rain falls. The earth also shows its work. The atmosphere works in its part. Then is the food prepared to be eaten which is a part of this universe. Now, the one who eats this food, is also the part of this universe. His appearance, which organizes from this food, is also a part of this universe. And ofcourse, God is not a part of this universe, then how can Jesus or any other as a Son of God? As far as it is concerned about the universe, that if it is given the intelligence and conciousness to know that the human being living on it says that God is in you, or the Apostle walking on you and living on you is a part of God; ask the God about the situation of this universe to hear this: "At it, the skies are ready To burst, the earth To split asunder, and The mountains to fall down In utter ruin. That they invoke A son for (God) Most Gracious." [Mary,90-91] Conclusion:- The above tells us that the concept of presence of Allah everywhere is not only non-Islamic but also non-scientific. Further, it also tells us that the concept of intervene of Allah in his Apostles or Wali-ullahs is not just non-Islamic but also non-scientific. Translate by ****** aka Meeri Will b back with some more discoveries soon... Like to hear ur comments. Till then, Allah Hafiz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mansoor 0 Posted April 19, 2003 Meeri !!!! yarrr itss real real great Post .... welll after such a detail.. i cant any thing more but still ... imust apreciate ur effort in puuting such a nice work for us wee done mansoor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sobia 0 Posted April 20, 2003 hmmmmmm Meri really fantastic!!! u r absoluletly right!! well done bye Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted April 20, 2003 Oh thanx every1... I'll b back with more soon... waisay aap bhee share karsaktay hain (agar karna chahain). Thank you all! Bye! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lafani shareer 0 Posted April 20, 2003 Salam to All. Well Meeri, Nice Work Yeh Haqeeqat hai kay science Islam ki baandi hai islam say pehlay door ka ager aap mutalia karain to aap ko kahin koi aisi Development nezer nahin aaye gi jisay hum science ki bunyad qarar day sakain. Our ager aap apnay topic kay hawalay say doosray muzahib ka islam say muwaznan karain to yeh baat aap kay ilm main aye gi kay yahoodi our eesai jis per taqetwer rahib our padryon ka raaj hai unhon nain apnay muzhub ki shukel hi budel dali hai hur lehaz say hutta kay science ko bhi woh shaitani fail ka naam daitai hai. App is baat say undaza lagain kay un kay tummam danishwer our scientist lamuzhabi ka shikar hain kyoon kay un kay rahib our padree waqtan fa waqtan un danishwaron our scientist ki resurch our un kay tujrubat per tanqeed kertay rehtay hain our un kay kaam ko ghair muzhabi qarar daytay hain. Our ager aap islam kay hawalay say dekhain to aapko wahid muzhub islam hi milay ga jis main tehqeeq ko ibadet ka derja mila hai. Jub Quran nazil hoa to us waqt ehl-e-europ rehana seekh rahay thay wahid yoonan tha jahan Aflatoon, Arastoo & Batlimoos jaisay falsafi thay laikin un ki soochon ka mehwer ghulut tha unhon nain apnai mufroozat akhuz kye hoa thay our sooch ka jhunjhuna bajatay rehtay thay. Quran nain aa ker kaha kay busssssssssssss buhut khawab dekh lye ab haqeeqat ki dunya main aao, Aankhain kholo haqaiq ko dekho tehqeeq karo our hur cheez ko humaray hawalay say dekhna werna bhutuk jao gay. Is say pehlay kisi muzhab nay aqal-o-khirad ko itni ahmiyat nahin di thi woh mehez farzi mefroozon our tohmitat ka shikar thay Quran nain aaker aqal-o-khirad ki ahmiyad say aashna kya tehqeeq say aashna kya our nateejay ki soorat main beesyon arab mufakkir paida hoay.Aaj muhaqiq our scintist is baat ka aiteraf kertay hain kay arab scientists nain modren science ki bunyad rukhi Example: Flip K Hitty(A Falosfer & Mahamatician) Likhtay hain Arbon nain ilm-e-riazi main zero ko develop ker kay is muqam per pohcaya kay aaj kay mathematician is say mustafeed ho rahai hain. Draiper: Likhta hai Arbon nain woh sub eejad kya jisay hum apni eejad sumujhtay hain Example, rusd gahain, sitaron kay nuqshai, juboo muqablay, laws of geometry, principle of chemistry, sooraj girhan our chan girhan kay ouqat. Pandit Nehroo: Apni kitab "GLIMPSES OF WORLD HISTORY" main likhta hai Arbon say pehlay hindostan, china, Egept kisi jagah Scientific ilm nahin tha Arabs nain scientic ilm ki bunyad dali our woh "FATHER OF MODREN SCIENCE" Kehlanay kay mustahiq hain. Our yeh baat humarai lye bari shurm ki baa hai kay us kittab say aaj ghair muslim mustafeed ho rahay hain. Our is main qasoor nai nusul ka nhin bulkay humarai rehberon ka hai humaray ulmao ka hai jinhon nain quran kay is pehloo say humain roshnas nahin karaya. Ab Andaza lagain kay. Quran kay mutailiq maloomat our shumariat jamma kernay walon ka kehna hai kay: 1. Quran main Allah kay haqooq say muttaliq kul 193 Aayat hain. 2. Bundon kay haqooq kay muttaliq kul 673 Aayat hain. 3. Kainat kay muttaliq saciency uloom per 750 Aayat hain. our in Aayat main jin mozooat per roshni dali gai hai: Aasman our dunya ki paydaish per ghour ka bayan. Aaftab ki paydaish ki hikmaton per ghour ka bayan. Chand ki paydaish ki hikmaton per ghour ka bayan. Sumender ki paydaish ka bayan Pani ki paidaish ka bayan. Hawa ki paydaish ka bayan. Aag ki paydaish ka bayan. Insan ki paydaish ka bayan. yeh sub to kainati mozoo hain jin per aaj science resurch ker rahi hai. Quran sirf Alhami kitab nahin. Yeh kainati kitab hai. Yeh Sciensy kitab hai. Jo App main ghour-o-fiqar paida ker ti hai.Hum nain isay sirf sawab kamanay kay lye rukha hai. Quran purhain Phir purhain our Phir purhain kyoon kay yeh teh der teh khulti hai aik hi dafa main apna aap nahin batati. Quran jeeo, Quran khao, Quran peyo, Quran utho, Quran betho, Quran muro. Allah humain Toufeq dai. Meeri ji App kay is topic per main mazeed izhar-e-khyal kerta rahoon ga. Shukrya, Allah Hafiz lafani shareer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cute_ooky 0 Posted April 20, 2003 Wow... sum good stuff here. pplz. Keep it up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted April 22, 2003 Salaam every1! Thanx for replying to this topic, it sure is a gr8 one as some of the people have a bit confusion of Islam whether it is the right path or not. Thats why, i decided to create such topic for removing all the confusions and doubts. Nowadays, Islam is alarmingly being damaged by the non-Muslims and by some Muslims by the means of Propaganda. So we must say tight and adhere in front of all nations. I appreciate ur effort lafani_shareer, its so kind that u wrote that much for us trying to explain ur thoughts. It was nice to hear it from u. As u said that other Holy Books r being changed. it is true but their believers dont believe in it. Christians say that Bible cannot b changed it is Torah whose translation changes or had changed. The Jews blame Christians for the same act. In reality, both r changed, after the interval of about 10 years for Bible (average). However, there is a prophecy of Prophet Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) in Bible which they had diverted towards Jesus. I will soon show u the reference. In Torah, there was too much details of Islam. e.g. Those who will b having their clothes above their ankles, those who will b having beards and much more. About Prophet Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him), there were so many details in Torah that when some Jews heard from a person who recently arrived from Madinah that there is a man who declare that he is an Apostle, the Rabbi quickly took him to the temple and opened a cupboard containg so many pictures. Then he asked that the man who say that he is an Apostle sent by God, can u find him in these pictures? after a while, he said, yes! this is the one. he is much similar to this. The Jews had so many prophecies that they even drew some pictures of him. And the prophecies were in good meanings that they r gonna b on the right path. They will b God's people etc. Continuing Islam & Science... For many centuries, the humankind was unable to study certain data contained in the verses of the Holy Quran because they did not possess sufficient scientific means. It is only today that numerous verses of the Holy Quran dealing with natural phenomena have become comprehensible. It is still not easy for an average scientist to understand everything. he needs in the Holy Quran on such subjects without having recourse to specialized research. There are also some examples or statements in the Holy Quran which have not yet been confirmed by the modern science. An example of this is the statement in the Holy Quran that life has an aquatic origin. " And I created every living thing out of water." THE BIG BANG: As it is mentioned above about the great scientific research of the formation of this universe as a BIG BANG.Let us see what Quran says,more than 14 hundred years ago, about this explosion: "Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit Creation), before We clove them asunder?" [The Prophets,30] The Sun and the Moon: Whereas, the Bible talks of the sun and the moon as two lights, differing only in size. The Holy Quran distinguishes between them by the use of different terms. Light (noor) for the moon and lamp (siraj) for the sun. Quranic Verse(s): Did you see how Allah created seven heavens? One above the other and made in them the moon, a light and the sun, a lamp. [Quran 78 (verses 12-13)] Will b back with some more stuff... Wassalaam! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted April 22, 2003 Nice Post Meeri Everything true :) Waqas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sania 0 Posted April 22, 2003 hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm brilliant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted April 23, 2003 Salaam to all! Thanx sania. Thanx Waqas, i'm glad to hear something from u. BTW, r u Wise Guy? I know u r a wise guy but is ur nick "Wise Guy" too? Take a look at some more discoveries i found: Stars and the Planets: The word star (Najm) in the Holy Quran is accompanied by the adjective 'tha'aaqib' which indicates that it burns and consumes as it pierces through the shadows of light. Planets: In the Holy Quran, a different word "Kawkab" is used to refer to planets which are celestial bodies that reflect light and do not produce their own light. Allah says in the Holy Quran: "We have adorned the lowest heaven with ornaments (the planets)" [Quran 37;verse 6] Orbits: Today, the laws governing the celestial systems are well known. Galaxies are balanced by the position of stars and planets in well-defined orbits. Allah says in the chapter 'Anbyaa'. "(ALLAH) is the one who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion." [Quran 2;verse 33] Will b back soon...! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lafani shareer 0 Posted April 25, 2003 Salam To All Thanx Merri. Well Resurch about Science & islam Main Aaap kay sath is topic ko zaroor cantinue rakhoon ga khoob jammay gi. Thanx for appri. lafani shareer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meeri 0 Posted April 26, 2003 Salaam to all! I'm back with three more discoveries. Thanx lafani_shareer, u also try to post some. I'll appreciate ur effort. Continuity of Islam & Science: The Day and Night: Allah uses the word "kawwara" in the chapter "Al-Zumar" to describe the way the night "winds" or "coils" itself around the day amd day around the night. Allah says, "He coils the night upon the day and day upon the night." [Quran 39;verse 5] The original meaning of kawwara is to coil a turban round the head. This is a totally valid comparison, yet at the time the Quran was revealed, this astronomical data and comparison were unknown. It is not until man landed on the mon and observed the earth spinning or rotating around its own axis, the dark half of the globe appeared to wind itself around light and half appeared to wind itself around the dark. The Expansion of the Universe: Islam also seems to refer to one of the most important discoveries of the modern science. Allah says in the Glorious Book, "I built the heaven with power and it is I, who am expanding it." [Quran 51;verse 47] The Expansion of the universe was first suggested by theory of relativity and is supported by calculations of astrophysics. The regular movement of the galactic light towards red section of spectrum is explained by distancing one galaxy from other. Thus, the size of the universe appears to be progressively increasing. Conquest of spaces: Allah says in the chapter 'Al-Rehman': "O Assembly of Jinns and men, if you can penetrate the regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them except with authority." [Quran 37;verse 6] Authority to travel in space can only come from the Creator of the laws which govern movement and space. The whole of this chapter invites the human kind to recognize Allah's beneficence. CONCLUSION :- The facts as I have had the pleasure of exposing to you, put forward a genuine challenge to human explanation, leaving only one alternative: " The Holy Quran is, undoubtly, a revelation from Allah." C ya! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
