"Are we really helping our foes?"

[Amen 0]

well fatima dear u r right but think one more time this is not the only thing which is helpin nonmuslims well 4 banning such things we all also have ta change our selves we have ta be one strong ummah all i wanna say is just try and keep tryin hard in spreadin islam as far as u can, the islam ll spread and these kinda problems are gonna wash away .....

the jews are very united 4 wat they beleive that is the formation of an israely state. so if we study the jews every family has a buisness background they are sticking together to support isreal almost all of them are faithfull to their intelligience mosad !

to fight these extremists we 2 have to stick together and have faith in the islami way .

now i want u guys to check out this link

http://www.oneummah.net

and also check this out this is a soul searchin stuff 4 all of ma muslim brothers and sisters well this is a nasheed sang by ahmed bukhatir he use ta sing nasheeds in araby but he has also sing one nasheed in eng and that is so nice that name is LAST BREATH

so just go to the link and click on the last breath

coz this is only one in eng rest are in araby .........

so check it out

http://www.biznaseducation.com/koko2003/

urs admirer

amen arif:flower:

[Asim 0]

and thankx also Asim. and hey i liked that link u made to click and send this topic discusion to frnds and whatever.

this link is available on every topic that you read on this community.

see the image below for a more acurate view of where u can find this link

[Asim 0]

Inshallah I hope all nice solutions work! :)

I'm new 'n a bit lost! i'll catch up! :P

I'll be waiting for you to catch up in here

[Eyelfixit 0]

RE: Do we really help NON-Muslims.

My answer: Do NON-Muslims really help you?

You people are extremist. I noticed that you say that you should "ban" certain products suchs as shampoo's and still use medicine that is fabricated in other "non-muslim" countries. This is a double standar and I find is quite hypocritical.

That was my original response that I got but then I kept reading on and noticed that people are people. No matter were you come from. There is a large majority of muslim people in Canada were I reside and the way I see it is that you people have it all wrong. Please don't get me wrong I don't hate you or anything like that I only dis agree.

Anyways. In Canada we live as equals. Muslims with catholics and many other religions and creeds races and sexes. This is what you people should learn to do. Live and let live. Forget the past and moove on allready.

Your hate is showing all over the world, this make people think of you as savages who kill for no perticular reason. Do you think that you are showing your true colors?

My question to you is this.....

Do you want to stay in the same place or do you want to learn to be better and more productive?

If you choose the later then you need to look at the bigger picture which is:

We need you and you need us.

What's even more funny about all of this is that the very board your using is made with english coding, the technology that you use to host this site is american made. Worst than that, the thing that really makes me mad is the fact that you have no Canadian emoticons.

[munnibhai 0]

hi eye....

im very hapy to see u here!

hey friends...

ye mera dost hay...main nay isay is forum er bulaya tha..

ye non muslim hay... or is topic kay baray main behs karo!

[munnibhai 0]

hey eye plz...

all that is the action of non-muslim media. what media tells u , u beleive on that blindly! media in saying that muslims r bad , u beleive that muslims r bad , media says that muslims attacked america on 11th september , u beleive muslims did it , inteligence says that there r neulear weapons in Iraq , u beleive that there r.....inteligence says that Usama did attack on america , u beleive that it is so....Goddamnit... investigate urself , do not sit on media's information and do not always take them for right. media shows us that in iraq , people r very happy , but what is reality , u do not know.u just know what media shows u.

[Eyelfixit 0]

hey eye plz...

all that is the action of non-muslim media. what media tells u , u beleive on that blindly! media in saying that muslims r bad , u beleive that muslims r bad , media says that muslims attacked america on 11th september , u beleive muslims did it , inteligence says that there r neulear weapons in Iraq , u beleive that there r.....inteligence says that Usama did attack on america , u beleive that it is so....Goddamnit... investigate urself , do not sit on media's information and do not always take them for right. media shows us that in iraq , people r very happy , but what is reality , u do not know.u just know what media shows u.

Do you know me? NO

Do I kNOW you. Yes

1) I NEVER said I hate muslims. I live in CANADA NOT U.S.A. (We like and share with all races). Canada started United Nations.

2) I do not listen to media and your judging me that way is ignorant.

3) Canada did NOT support or participate in U.S. lead efforts to go to irak.

4) YOU are ignorant because you see things in your own way. Not by seing it on a world view. Muslim are all over the world. I even have a neighbour that is muslim I have friends from India, Africa, Iran, Irak, Bosnia, and many other nations. I have a business and I think on a WORLD level. Something I am trying to show you all!

5) I commented on products that should be in your oppinion "banned". Did you know you hurt people when you do that and NOT goverment. Goverment does not care about you, your oppinions or what you do about them. All goverments confer on a world level which means they only care about your goverment. They deal, they drink wine and the laugh. This is intergration which means that everyone becaomes human. Not have wars that kill your children for no reason.

6) I know your situation, again I have friends that protest for multiple issues and are of the same place as you. I know people from around the world so next time you judge me and look stupid. THINK

Now who is hating?

[Nazish 0]

salaamz allz

I totally agree wid munnibhai.

and u know on the day of September 11, we were in school

and as soon as that plane hit the building. All the tv's in usa, had picture of Osama bin Laden. i mean right then they had his pic. wthout any investigation they blamed the muslims, as they did before in the Oklahoma Bombing.

and u know how the muslim pplz were burned in gujrat, indian?

well in usa not one of the damn new channelz showed that news.

so american pplz don't know what's going on cuz of this stupid biased, untrustful media.

when i ask my frnds u know about the gujrat incident, u know what they say?

they say: " what incident", and wheni tell them, they are like oh gosh, why don't they show in tv.

One time a channel, i think CNN, showed a little palestinian kid, killed by israeli on news. and Ariel Shuron made a big deal out of it and got angry at the news channel. then the news channel ppl had to APPOLOGIES to ISRAEL.

HELL that ain't no fair.

one thing we all know, don't trust the media.

i wear hijaab, so ppl can tell i'm muslim. and one time in my school a girl thought that i was gonna kill everyone by bombing the whole school.

That's the thought of only one young american, guess what all the other thinK? i think the same cuz of this media

anywayz that's all for today

tcz allz

lovez,

Allalh Hafiz

Naz

[fati 0]

hello eyelfixit. u know v dont hate non muslims. v were the ones who always wanted to live in the subcontinent but becoz of the behaviour of hindus, v had to seperate.

Pakistan is not a developed country,. medicines r not being made here. v have to import them.

secondly, the reason of not using international products is that, the profit is being used against Muslims, thirdly, v have to promote our own products, the things that r made here, as a pakistani, v must promote them.

v never said to ban all international products but of israel, india and america. becoz these countries r using profit in our destruction.

i hope u got it.

v arent extremists.

i myself , against killing. all people shud live together, no matter they r catholics, hindus, jews , christians, Muslims, or people of anyother religion.

pakistani people r not extremists, some of them are, but such people r present everywhere, in every country, and may belong to any religion. such people give a wrong impression of the whole society.

ya its right that v need u people. but it doesnt mean that v people start using us. as i mentioned v r not developed. and help is always required.

and what do u mean by canadian emotions?

r there particular emotions reserved for canadian people?

take care

BOL

[Nazish 0]

Salaamz Allz

EyeFlixit, by no means are we saying that we have Hatred toward the non muslim. my cousine also reside in canada and i was there last year, and i myself live in Atlanta, Georgia.

we are not talking about baning everything. what we were talking about is products such As pepsi.

Pay

Each

Penny (to)

Save

Israel.

that was the reason why pepsi came in to be, to save israel. and as u know the palestine and Israel conflict. palestine is amuslim country, and israel is jews state. Usa is Supporting Israel, and not Palestine. then why should we support Isreal?

we also don't have hatred toward Jews ppl, we are talking about countries and their ruling.

and also as i said b4 the bias media. on tv they show everything bad about muslim ppl. they might show something good, which is sometimes, but mostly they'll just show that muslim hate everyone. and this and that.

and one more thing, we are not Extremist. Some might be, just like their are extremist in every religion. but Don't Generalize it. thankx.

anyways i thank u to come here and share ur views, and u r always welcome here to write ur opinion.

Allah Hafiz

tcz

Love u all

Naz

[iamshani 0]

salamz all..nice to C the new commers and the old golds :)

wel..I >>>( eye ) ... infact iz Islam'z opinion to live together..Jeeo or Jeenay do...n not only jus be selfish but also help others irrespective of their race..religion..color..language or creed..u think tht muslims r the one who r responsible for all these destructionz ??..oh pal..jus look around the world from ur own EYEZ n not believe on evrything u hear..u know tht how media cud be different.. jus consider...here in Pak. at evry news channel ..they r showing innocent kashmiriz LIVE killed by indian arms..while on the VERY same television set..on evry indian channel..they r showing..innocent kashmiriz killed by atangwadiz..( religious terrorists)..jus think .how people can realize watz the truth..but onoly there is one way..wat we call " seeing is believing "..n my own friendz who migrated from kashmir..told me how indian arms r showing brutal cruelty on them...! but if u ask even a muslim there in india.. he wud be unaware..watz happening to their own bros in kashmir...so my friend..neve trust on mediaz so easily..wel..u sed tht wat foolishdeed r we doing by banning suff like pepsi but using stuff like medicine..so fati gave a good reply to tht..which is enuf i think..n also abt using english lang. here..wel u must understand this tht we hate jus hatrate of anti-muslims against US..we never cindemned good things of them n infact english is todays need..!

i think it has been so long..

so C ya..

Allah hafiz

[Asim 0]

You people are extremist. I noticed that you say that you should "ban" certain products suchs as shampoo's and still use medicine that is fabricated in other "non-muslim" countries. This is a double standar and I find is quite hypocritical.

I still say boycot foreign products especially the ones from USA and Israel because by buying their products we are helpong them financially and hence they are growing stronger and stronger day by day.

and then what happens? they start testing their missiles, bio technologies, and war fare weapons of mass destruction on poor countries that have been imposed under severe restrictions for since the gulf war.

We must boycott the ones that have a suitable replacement.

but things like medicnes are not manufactured locally especially the life saving drugs. Hence we cannot boycott them untill and unless we establish industries that can manufacture these drugs locally

The aim of doing all this is to minimize the financial support that we are providing to non-muslims especially USA and Israel.

I think now u would have got my point clear <_<

Asim Zeeshan

a pround

[Eyelfixit 0]

Actualy NO, I DONT.

Have you done research to see were there based out of?

Have you checked if there is some sort of compensation to make things better for your country?

Have you taken a look at yourselve's recently?

Why do you think you are poor in the worlds eye's? That because your un-cooperative towards re-unification.

What bothers me the most is you all talk, yet you don't think past your backyards. Again if you want to make you country bigger and better you need to cooperate.

Here's an example:

Here in Canada we have all type of ethnic diversity. We support every race and religion. If we were to say o.k. let's stop using something that was made in pakistan and everyone followed. Would you not be in even worst shape?

Another thing I notice is that you guy's say that media this and media that. BULL! what's the difference between listening to someone in real life that is lying and someone lying on T.V.?

There is none.

There is always 2 sides to 1 coin.

Also for the people that try and think that I am against them or are to ignorant to realise that I am trying to help. Get a brain and use it.

For the people that are hating on me, that want to censor me, and that plain are vicious to me because of what I think..... Be very carefull and tread lightly around me.

[fati 0]

v r ready to cooperate. but what do u mean by cooperation. USA keep on making bombs and nuclear eapons and when the muslim countries try to b powerful, to defed themselves and hence make bombs and weapons, usa starts to condemn then, thats what u call cooperation. v r awake but u international people r sleeping.

is pakistan making plans to destroy u people?

is the income from our exports being used in usa destruction, not not at all.

v wanna ban usa products becoz they r killing us.

and now if u'll say that usa is doing nothing. they r helping us. isreal is doing nothing. they r working for muslims benefit.

then splash some water over urself and see with ur eyes open wide. u peoplee r working to destroy us. and then u say v shud cooperate. v arent mad.

our souls arent dead yet.

v want to live. v dont wanna die.

and v dont wanna cooperate with destructors!

thats all.

nazish ,shani and asim... good explanation.

AH

BOL

[iamshani 0]

Salamz..

nice posts by evry 1..however..Eye...why do u think tht we paki Muslim r craps in the world's peace affairs? ??.. have u any ONE real example of it ??..n if u r going to give me eample of 9/11 or afghanistan ..then i must say tht u r far away from the truth..n lissen..have i ever sed tht u shud not believe on media but noly wat we r saying to u here...u r open..infact u r independent to analyze watz wrong n wat rite..actually see..itz not totally ur fault tht u r away from the truth..itz wat surrounding makes u...i m not saying tht u r jus truth blind pplz..infact ..no matter where in the world u live..the major portion of ur beliefs depends upon ur surrounding..n u wud trust wat ur surrounding is mediating..but the thing is we all people need to analyza evry issue by ourselves..n if u really very sincere to this issue..thenm the best thing for u is to concern the diffreent articles on the concerened issue of the different independent columnists..

I also admit..tht our country is neither at the end of poverty but our country is not very progressing too..u see there r negative culprits evrywhere..here too...may some portion of the people who have disguised theirselves into paki muslims but implementing for itz own against..

so me jus cloncluding here tht we must neither TOTALLY believe on media nor TOTALLY wat our sumones speaks to us..we use ourselves at our own level analyze evry issue..to the end of itz conclusion..

C ya..

Allah hafiz'

tc

[Eyelfixit 0]

IAMSHANI ...... Cool, but I do not listen to media. I know the issues you have with your country. My G/F is from bahran. My neighbour is pakistani. I have close business associates from india and well all over the world.

I really don't like the way you think because it's making pakistani people go backwards, not forward for people that are looking to build the future. THIS is what is important...... STOP THE BULLSHIT. STOP FIGHTING..... START BUILDING BRIDGES. start making things better, not worst. That what I mean by co operation.

Why do you think these products make it to your country in the first place? Because we are sharing the wealth.

Also for those who don't know by now I AM CANADIAN. I am not racist I am here to help you.

[iamshani 0]

I....u really know ?...!

wel..i m really afraid .y u disliked my way.. :S bcuz i did never say tht we sud not have economic or political relationship with other countries..pal lissen..dont think us narrow minded ppl..which u r still thinking abt us...i thinku didnt cearly know wat our poin of view is !..infact ..if we had thought like bizness with other cuntries of cooperationwith others wud harm us then why wud we ever help UN against terrorism..why had we caught the international criminalz hidden in pak..why we have facilitated international industrialists so mch in pak..u sed u have buziness consultatnts far n wide..n dont u know tht pak. is the country who is rapidly growing her facility boundaries for the foreign industrialists n economists..??!!!!

anywayz..friend..i know..infact evry onehere might know tht u r Canadian..n we r Paki..do U think WE r RACIST ??..no way...! if we were racist then no minority here in pak. wud ever have progressed..there wud not independent minorities' parties supporting to their respective parties..infact...my point of view is of we shud all be open minded.BUT if sumone looks towards us with an evil eye then we can't n as a matter of fact no awaked nation wud tolerate it like a fool..~

itz enuf for now..but still if u have sum confusionz...or determined points then plz discuss here to know the facts...!

C ya..!

[Nazish 0]

salaamz allz

well done shani, i think u said it all:)

and eye, i hope u get the point shani is trying to make.

anywayz c ya all laterz

Allah Hafiz

lovez,

Naz

[munnibhai 0]

HUH! eye and getting point r two absolutely different things. when he got banned from here , he is now arguing on another forum...not only he is there...but a number of non-muslims r there to oppose me n Islam n Muslims...and im the only muslim who is clearing his points there...so any one of u , who can gimme a hand out there?

http://tech.50megs.com/cgi/support/YaBB.pl...809860;start=60

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his is the URL of the page...this is 5th page..u can urself visit it.

[fati 0]

munni bhai r u serious about that. u were the one to invite him here. and now u r opposing him. u know i'll like to defend but i cant afford such a horrible company. i m better here. and tell u what, dont discuss ur opinions with such people. they wont ever get u but they may get able to change ur good opinions.

so u must b careful while sharing ur opinion. becoz they have a curtain over their minds.

[munnibhai 0]

haan yaar bilkul , aisa hi hua hay...agar aap is say agla page parho to sab pata chal jaye ga , main to un ko reply kerna hi chor dia hay!

[fati 0]

u did the right thing. one must avoid such people.

[rukh 25]

ASLAMU ALIKUM

well yeh topic aisa hai kay yahan reply kerni walay ko pehlai apnay ander jhankna ho ga kay os ka role is saray matter main kia hai... kia woh sirf battain ker arha hai ya ko os ka bhee ammal hai....... kam sai kam main ajj keh saktee hoon kai main jo kahoon gee woh main ker bhee rahee hoon......

indian ,english..movies or darams or music ...or kfc or mc...etc... i left all these things..... or yeh sub chorna bohat asan kam hai .....sirf ahsas ki bat hai.... zaroor nahi kay jub apnai gher main aag lagay hum tabhi uth ker pane laain......ajj hum apnai muslman bhaiyoon kai lay ager thora sa apnai nafs ko mar lain gay to kal shiad jub hum ko zaroorat peary to un ko awaz denai ka qabil hon gai...........or nahi to sirf itna sooch lain ...kai ALLAH nai jo hum ko naimtain deen hai os ka shuker ada kernai kai bajayee hum on sai os kay naferman or islam dushman logon ko dekhtay ..suntay or serhatay hain...or un logon per kherch kertai hain jo hamray deene bhaioon per zulm kai pahar torr rahay hain...hum on logoon ko naffa pohncha rahai hain,jo....kashmeer,gujrat,falsteen main mojood mazloom muslamanoo ko aik galss pani danai kai rawa dar nahi...... or kuch nahi to sirf itna kerain

JUB KOI INDIAN OR ENGLISH MOVIE YA CD KHREEDAIN TO SIRF YEH SOOCHNA''' KAI IN PAISOON sai JO PROFIT INDIA OR EUORP KO POHNCHAY GA IS SAI KASHMMER.FALASTEEN,, MAIN KITNAI MUSLMAN BACHOON MAOON BHENOO OR BHAIOON KO MOOT KI GHAAT UTAR DIA JAYEE GA,,,,OR IS ZULM MAIN APP KITNI SHREEK HAIN,,,,,'''

SHIRMINDA MEREE ROOH KI SACHAIAN HOIEEN

JO TABSERA ZAMEER NAI KIRADAR PER KIA

ALLAH HAFIZ

RUKH

[iamshani 0]

Salamz..

Rukh welcum here..as u on ur very first day of joining posted 15 msgs uptill now..it tells u r really interested in discussions n infact concerned abt the output of wat our topic is going on here..actually..fati started this nice topic n it was concluded at the end tht we shud almost try to avoid foreign stuffs esp. from india n US n abt wat we r sure tht their profit (NOT PROPHET as u wrote) can be used against Muslims ..however the stuff abt wat we dont know ..we can use them until we r sure abt them tht they too r used against Muslims..bcuz look..itz fact wat u sed tht Muslims all over the world r greeatly humiliated ..but itz also the fact tht one can't survive in this global village without dependence on other..America the biggest eco. power of the world can too not stay alive with our dependence as we export them rice , vegetables, dry fruits , silk etc..which have high demand there..

from all above my lines thispoint is concerned tht we can't totally ban anything..yes we can use itz alternative..but now it also very very much fdepends not only on us but on the Islamic Govts. too tht they become united atlast bcuz due to their selfishness Muslims r being ground in this era..

so we better try to first improve ourselves n then show the world the power n real honour of Muslims..besides asfar as possible WE SHUD..n yes WE SHUD try to help our Muslim bros fighting there for their freedom...by donations by sharities.by forcing the Govts. thru public level to discuss n solve the issues..! n make muslms understand tht we shud be united if we have to survive..!

thx..

Allah hafiz

[NaDaN 0]

Very Nice Post Rukh!