Wish 0 Posted August 13, 2002 Dream Land. On 14th of August 1947 The Holy night of Ramazan 27 A dreamland of the muslims , Who strugled for their rights , morning till nights was came into being. A dreamland of my Quaid Who strugled for it night to night was came into being. :D :D :p :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
®omeo 0 Posted August 13, 2002 JASHEN E AZADI MUBARIK :) PAKISTAN ZINDABAD :) :) :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kierca7 0 Posted August 13, 2002 Salaam Wish I really enjoyed your poem :D your choice of topic was also good :) .Inshalla one day muslims will not be victamized and be left in peace.Free to worship allah with out fear of persecution :) See ya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shabo 0 Posted August 14, 2002 Salaam All Happy Independence Day!! What a lovely poem Wish, it was lovely to read... K7 your thoughts are truly praiseworthy inshallah this will be possible one day... May Allah grant us all peace and happiness ALWAYS....ameen. Sx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wish 0 Posted August 14, 2002 Salaam! Thanks a lot for ur support.But my question is that r we really working for the prosperity of our dreamland? Is this the same dreamland for which our forefathers have given everything? No as we r not united.I see division of people in many groups.The need of hour is unity,faith ,discipline and above all education. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
®omeo 0 Posted August 14, 2002 Salaam! Thanks a lot for ur support.But my question is that r we really working for the prosperity of our dreamland? Is this the same dreamland for which our forefathers have given everything? No as we r not united.I see division of people in many groups.The need of hour is unity,faith ,discipline and above all education. W'alaikum assalam :) No doubt Education is the most vital factor in the process of development n prosperity of a nation. BUT the present education policy alongwith the curriculum in practice must be modified in the light of our growing concerns so that we get our next generation founded solidly on nationalism , patriotism and with religious beliefs intact. Only then we can fight efficiently wid problems facing our homeland and turn it truely into our deamland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shabo 0 Posted August 14, 2002 I second that!!! Well said :D Sx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
®omeo 0 Posted August 14, 2002 shabo jee..thanx :D i dunno wats the prob wid our policy makers, they all seem relaxed but well optimism keeps me going..huh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wish 0 Posted August 14, 2002 Salaam! Well I do n't know the real problem with the policy makers.But in my opinion they r simply not honest with their country.They make those education polices in which only they have any profit.They just do n't care for others.They r simply mean and make rubbish polices like themselves.The policy makers r not well educated so they do n't know what is education and what is the purpose of education. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shabo 0 Posted August 14, 2002 Salaam Wish You have come up with some valid points.. Personally I think the Policy Makers are plain lazy. At the first sign of hard work they run a mile!! lol So there is no hope for improvement, not yet, until these ppl actually get a grip with things and pull their weight!! Sx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wish 0 Posted August 14, 2002 Salaam! Well shabo u r very right.It will take a revolution to change our education system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kierca7 0 Posted August 14, 2002 Salaam The deeper you dig the more problems you find. :( education is the main problem at the moment it is finding good solutions. i.e you could go to several teachers with the same question and get different answers. :( we as muslims some how need to unite just to say we are muslim is not enough some of us pray some don't some muslims believe one thing another sect believe some thing different again. :( it is going to be a long hard fight inshalla muslims united will be successfull one day. :D See ya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nazish 0 Posted August 14, 2002 salaamz all Kiassay ho aap sub log. first of all gr8 poem Wish! and now the the discussion, i totaly agree wid u guys. these political leader and all the other ppl. are power hungry and are after money. and it's sooooo uffffffffffff makes me mad kay edu. is so not going good in pak now aday.s and bribing is going on every where, meaning poor have no chance to achieve his/her goal. and u know recently i think near some village in Karachi some ppl,(Not pakistanis) opened up a school for children and it's free school, infact they pay children money to come to school wid free books, lunch and everything. cuz kids are so poor. and i was like gosh look what these ppl are doing and we paki???????? any way gotta go so tc all lovez Naz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted August 15, 2002 It is shame that our leaders have worked hard to give us a free land but we, instead of looking after it we are fighting with eachother. In 1947, they payed very hard price for it. Pakistan was the name given to it, with islam as religion. A promise was made at that time to die but never lose freedom. but now in 2002 after 55 years, we are worlds backward country. There more babies dying under the age of 5 than any where else in the world. we in order to become modern country are becoming americanised. if we dont realise now then we will lose, our culture, beliefs and will become americanised and still be the most backward country. or may lost our freedom again have we ever thought that solution is not adapting american style of life but to make our beliefs strong and unity!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shabo 0 Posted August 15, 2002 Salaam All Good points raised Waqas! I agree that in order for the country to move forward it must not adapt ALL western attributes but to keep its own identity alive. This includes our religion, our culture, our family values to name but a few. However as all things go we seem to think "the grass is greener over the other side" hence we try and copy what the Westerners are doing... if we continue like this as you say we will lose what we have fought for our FREEDOM and that will surely be the greatest loss ever.... I too believe in UNITY as this will form a stronger bond to conquer the oppostion!! Pakistan Zindabad and may ISLAM rule FOREVER!! Allah Hafiz Sx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asim 0 Posted August 15, 2002 If any of the Freedom fighters from 1947 was here to see what happened to their Dream Land "Pakistan" then he/she would have died of Shame. The voice for "Pakistan" was raised on "Islam". Quaid-e-Azam struggled hard to get this puece of land for the Muslims of Sub-Continent. The voice raised was "Pakistan ka mutlab kya La ilaha illalah" but now its only Pakistan, corupted Pakistan with Islam no where to be seen. If there is any Islam the Pervaiz and his Government is trying his best to eliminate it from the world and from this reagion. May Allah Bestow them with Faith for Islam and the Country and Show them the right Path. If not then I pray to Almighty Allah that they, the Government, must be punished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shabo 0 Posted August 15, 2002 Salaam Asim You have highlighted your points with alot of feelings and they come across in your words. What you have said is VERY true and I agree with you totally. If the ppl who fought for these rights, that we today take for granted, could see the state of the country they surely would die of shame. Laalach bohoth buri bala hai lekin jis tharaf bhi dekhein sab laalach k mareez milaingay.. apni maali haisiyath mey izaafa karnay k liyay jo bhi raastha ho, chahay wo sahi ho ya galath, yeh log apna laingay. Jab in ko apni izzat ki qadr nahi rahi tho auroon sey kya izzat karaiengay. The government must make a stand against such greedy, self centred people and maybe then the average Pakistani will have a half decent chance of progressing further by their own capabilities. As Waqas said the Western influence is very much visible in Pakistan and this must be altered otherwise we will lose everything the martyr's fought for in 1947. Sx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asim 0 Posted August 16, 2002 The government must make a stand against such greedy, self centred people and maybe then the average Pakistani will have a half decent chance of progressing further by their own capabilities. The problem is that the Government is not right. Ever since Pakistan came into being the Political Leaders have been trying to take control of the people here. The start campaigns for their parties and when they are elected they treat the people like Goats and Sheeps. The present Government of Mr. Pervaiz Musharaf is one of te most dangerous one for Islam and Pakistan. Pakistan has seen many corrupt and Bad Political parties like Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif but he, Pervaiz Musharaf, is the dangerous of them all. I am afraid if he rules on us for a little longer we won't be alive. The Government is forcing Police to arrest innocent people andclaim them to be the Jihadis. These people are brought to an unknown place near Lahore, Pakistan where FBI, Pakistani CID and Afghanistan's Pashtoons torture them and kill them brutelly. May Allah show us the right path. (Amen) Asim Zeeshan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nazish 0 Posted August 17, 2002 salaamz how r u all? i totally agree wid Asim here. Musharaf has much power in his hands now adays and no one can seem to stop it. Soon he might be a dictator of Pakistan and the future of Pakistan will be dark and gone forever. unless we do something about it. b4 Musharaf had no choice when USA used pakistan border to attack Afghanistan cuz if Musharaf had said "NO" then the US military would have bombed Pakistan and countinue wid rest of their plan. but now what they are doing ini pakistan is putting all islamic coummunites in jail cuz they are "Al_Qaida" members. killing innocent. and destroying everything. B4 was different but Now we can do something about it and Musharaf should take a stand for it. and I want Pakistan to be a a democratic country not to be rules by a Dictator. My prayers are wid Pakistan(Amen) love u all Naz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alishaikh 0 Posted August 18, 2002 SALAAAAAAM, mai nay yaha par sub logoo kai answers pharay kooch hud tukh mai agree bhi karta hooooo aap logoo ki batooo say laikin kya hum nay kabhi yai soocha hai kai hum nay kya diya hai ish cuontry ko. yai hamari aawamm hamaisha government kai hi galay kyoo parti hai .kabhi yai soocha hai kai aagar hum ish post par hootay aur yahi moolki halat hootay tau hum kya kartay.aik daffa aap looog aapnay aap ko president pervaiz ki jugha ppar rukh kar soochiyae aur phir jo aap logoo ki soooch ho gi wo mai zaroor januna chahoo ga. mai aap logo say poochna chahoo ga kai agar aap president hootay aur 11 september ka incidence hoota aur aap logoo kai liyae bhi yahi halat paida kar diyae jaatay kai doooshmun country aap par attack kai mooqay dhoond raha hooo.har taruf terrorisom ka shoor barpa hoooo.aur world super power aap say help ki appeel kar rahi hooo. aur agar aap help na karay tau aap ko oon kai loans wapus karnay hoooo. jo aap kai ikhtiyar mai hi na hooooo . wo aaap ko terrorist kah kar aap par attack kar dhay tau aap kya karay gay baheesiyut president hoonay kai. mujhay in tamam batoo ka jawab chahiyae kyoo kai mai bhi daikhna chata hoo kai ghar mai baith kar tau sub kooch na kooch bool latay hai lakin jub sir par aati hai tau............. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted August 19, 2002 I wonder that you lives in Pakistan and don't know whats happening here. ??? I'll give answer to you question later. You dont have to wait long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shabo 0 Posted August 19, 2002 Salaam All Fair point Ali... after all there are two sides to a story. However the majority of the Pakistani population seem to be against the current government rather than for them and their policies. I await Waqas' comments on this! Sx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alishaikh 0 Posted August 19, 2002 salaaam shabo, mai bhi waqas kai reply ka wait kar raha hoooo. laikin population of pakistan ko yai soochna chahiyae na kai hum government kai saath kya salook kartay hai. tax hum nahi daitay .mushkil halat mai hum help nahi kartay.oolta government kai hi galay par jaatay hai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asim 0 Posted August 20, 2002 salaaam shabo, mai bhi waqas kai reply ka wait kar raha hoooo. laikin population of pakistan ko yai soochna chahiyae na kai hum government kai saath kya salook kartay hai. tax hum nahi daitay .mushkil halat mai hum help nahi kartay.oolta government kai hi galay par jaatay hai Salam to all, I wanted to reply to the point raised by you yesterday but it waslong enough and I could not complete it in time. Inshah Allah I will start a different topic for that soon. Yes we are not helping our Government. Its true. We must see how Government is helping us. They have banned all Freedom Fighters. They are killing people in fake police encounters like the one with Riaz Basra. He was under custody for more then 6 months and they called his family to identify him if he was the real Riaz Basra. Then after tossing him around in different Jails of Pakistan he was finally taken to his village from the Multan Jail and killed him from a distance of a few feets. The police held a press conference and made the story that "it was his friends who opened fire at us when we went in search of them. The police defended it self and hence he, together with his friends, was killed." It is clear from post martum report and everything else that he was killed from just a few feets but no one is there to face the facts. The Government has banned Jihad so that they should not help freedom fighters. Also the Government is now against our religious scholars and is planning to kill them one by one. The Government has also provided Unidentified "Investigation Centers" where they torture poor citizens and kill them. One of the main is located near Lahore, Pakistan. It has a double basement. There are threee investigation teams that are working there. One is the local Pakistani Police counter, the second is of FBI, America. Of cource the FBIs are not there they have hired Pakistaniz to dot he Job. The third and the last one is of Pashtoon from Afghanistan. All three counters investigate independently. None of them depends on the reports of any other. The Government knows it all and they have provided shelter for these Investigation Centers. Our Religious minister has told the people to "do our normal days work and there is no need to come out on streets protesting against the government" when the Incident of Badshahi Mosque occured. In a month or two the Government is also banning the Jummah Khutbah. From now on the Imam will be bound to read the piece of paper that the Government has provided him with as the Jummah Khutbah. This is what our Government is doing and many other things that are not quotable here. Why aren't we helping our Government in these operations/tasks? I don't have te time for this Sawab-e-Khair but I think alishaikh will definately help them. Isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alishaikh 0 Posted August 20, 2002 Salaam to all community members Mai nay jo topic start kiya asim nay mujhay ooshi kai jaal mai mujhay phunsa diya hai. Barhall ans tau mujhay daina hai.. Aap nay kaha kai government kaisay hamari help kar rahi hai..yai kai oosh nay freedom fighters ko baan kar diya hai tau asim sahib har kaam mai ALLAH ki musleehut hooti hai aagar government nay freedomfighters koo baan kiya hai tau ish mai 14carore awam ki baihtari thi aagar government frredom fighters ko baan na karti tau world super powers hamaray kheelaf khari hoo jati aur hamara hall bhi Kashmir, chechniya palsetine, kio tarah hota .India ko tau mooqa chahiyae na kai wo hum par attack kar sakay tau wo yai jawaz bana kar bhi hum par aatack kar sukta thah oosh waqat hamari help ko koi bhi na aata. Pervaiz musharaf nay Pakistan ko doosra Kashmir na bunanay kai liyae yai sub kooch kiya hai kai duniya kai nuqshay par aikaur Kashmir na oojagar hooo .yehni yai kai kashmir freedom fighters tau lar rahay hai laikin oon ki koi soonanay wala nahi hai. Oon ki awaz koi nahi soonta sirf humdardi kartay hai loog oon kai saath laikin help tau koi bhi duniya ki country nahi karti oon ki. United nation bhi sirf waha kai visit karti hai laikin waha kai marnay walo ka koi heesab keetab nahi rakhti. Tau asim hamaray saath bhi yahi koch hoona thaha .Kashmir mai tau sirf India zulim kar raha hai laikin yaha paki\stan kai liyae sub nay kharay ho jana thah. Rahi baan wali baat tau wo jasay hi heelat sahi hoo gay baan bhi khatum hoo jaye ga. Riaz busra wali baat ka mujhay zayada pata nahi hai. Aagar aisa hai tau government nay sahi bhi kiya aur ghalut bhi sahi ish waja say kyoo kai wo aik insaan thah lakin oosh mai insanneyut naam ki koi cheese nahi thi aur ghalut ish liyae kyoo kai ooshay ghalut tareeqay say mara gaiya hai……… Aagay jo aap ki rai ho gi wo mai janana chahoo ga. Laikin aik baat hai aap nay mairi baat ka sara rookh hi change kar diya hai mai nay poocha thah kai agar aap mushraf ki jugha ootay tau in halat mai kya kartay. :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites