a1b2c3 0 Posted February 5, 2004 How you see Dr. A. Q. Khan after ALL THESE HAPENNINGS. Thanks in advance for your taking part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waqas 48 Posted February 5, 2004 We will Always Do Respect for Him and now more respect for him DR QADEER IS MY HERO AS WELL, BUT COUNTRY COMES FIRST said PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF But we [Pakistanis] are not selfish to put our heros back at any cost. :) Waqas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NaDaN 0 Posted February 5, 2004 Totaly agree wid Waqas! A1B2C3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asim 0 Posted February 6, 2004 yes u r right Waqas..... He is a gr8 Hero of Pakistan .... but he cannot be put aside for the country. After all it was his abilities that made Pakistan even stronger by means of defence.... His gift, the Atomic bomb and the neuclear technology will be remembered as long as Pakistan lives on the map of the world. (I have said this after the shameful acts of our president) Asim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koolsensation 0 Posted February 6, 2004 What is surprising yesterday Pakistani govt. said that Dr A.Q Khan was not involved in nuclear black market , and today they have fired and arrested him, we r sure do proud of DR Abdual Qadeer Khan and his help for the nation but our politicas of our nation is so currpt that they will only accept ppl if they go according to them Try to see things in broader view. He is not an ordinary person who could go anywhere and do any thing and no one will notice.The Agencies have detailed information of each and every move of every person related to these Sensetive Facilities. So if he has done any thing then it is not posible without the consent of Army. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted February 6, 2004 the most surprising thing .. noto nly surprising but shocking .... that the person who has comitted the sin is completely favoured but the person who has fogiev him because of his good works.. he is being blamed.... whats more shocking than this well.... he is our hero.. and did a lot for the country. but v people can forgive some. but cant ever forgive others.. DR. A Q KHAN is a founder of PAKs nuclear program.. but he was also involved in corruption. now v the pakistani r so thankful to admit all his good qualities but forgive him for what bad he did. he let down the whole country. now its ok.. was there any betterment involved in his this act. nooooooo but hes forgiven by the president due to his works... for the country.. but our country is so thankless that they r always complaining about musharaf and never observed the betterment he is doing... country does come first... y do u guys always put the country first when v r talking about musharaf and put it second when aq khan is being discussed... whatever musharaf is doing he is doing good. he is on two posts... but thats no loss for us... and AQ KHAN..he did wrong.. a lot wrong.. and even then he is forgiven.. what more do the pakistanis want... he is completely forgiven and musharaf he is being blamed for the thing he hasnt done.. he rightly said that he is our hero but the country comes first... have u guys ever seen the scientists outside... and even ordinary showbiz and sports related people r punished so hard for small illegal activities. but AQ KHAN is granted pardon... becoz v admire him... and v cant bear loss of a hero.. when AQ KHAN himself admists he did a lot wrong so y all others r blaming musharaf for that.... y ARD is behaving so foolishly... he himself said not to publicize this issue anymore. AQ KHAN was never being humilated by the gov.. he was humilated by the press... and the press blames musharaf for not informing them how to deal with the issue. they got the right answer in yesterdays press conference! and one more thing....he had the whole laboratories under him.. he was granted full autonomy. he could do everything i'll say that athough hes our hero but his involvment in blackmarketing without the authorization of the government shud b condemned... but none of us can deny for the great works he did.. and as he is regretful about it so it goes this way that he is still our hero but ofcourse the respect i had for him earlier is not the same now.. but he made a wise decision in seeking clemency from the government and admitting his mistakes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted February 6, 2004 dr qadeer khan nai ik bar phir sabit ki kay mulk say muhabat ki cheez hotee hai he is LEGEND HERO OF PAKISTAN .. we proud him ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1b2c3 0 Posted February 6, 2004 I agee Asim; He is the man who with his abilities made is very sure that Pakistan will stay much much longer in the map of world. ( Insha a' Allah). He saves the country to suffer any kind of future humiliations(like we did in 71 by surrendering our army in front of our enemy). It is important he give the nation the nuclear technology, but the most important is he trained thousands and thousand young scientists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1b2c3 0 Posted February 6, 2004 .. but he was also involved in corruption. I don't agree with your this statement. You have not even tried to analyze the situation. I can not understand in world if he was a corrupt person or he was looking for more and more money then why he left Holland were he was getting a salary that an ordinary Pakistani can not even think of that, fati I have very simple question for you, if you are getting thousands and thousands of dollars per month why in the world you will leave that place and go somewhere where you have to get more by corruptions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted February 7, 2004 he is known to the world as a pakistani scientist. and ya he is. he is the founder and noone can deny.. but what do u think. that wasnt he involved in blackmarketing.. he came from holland... where he was getting a lot money.. but have u noticed the money he has made here.. what about million of dollars he got as a result of blackmarketing.. i dont wanna say anything more about him.. but ur questions demands more. when he was in holland .. no it was thailand. anyways. when he was there.. the world didnt know him.. its the fame that brought him here.... what about hotels and a lot more money he has gained.. is this amount less.... and if u guys say that he just wanted to help the muslim countries... then what about korea. is she a muslim country... ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asim 0 Posted February 7, 2004 .. but he was also involved in corruption. I diagree with this...... evry pakistani.. every politician regardless from which party supports him because everyone knows he has done a lot for Pakistan and was neer involved in any corruption...... Miss fati.. u must analyze the situation... if u know a bit about politics then u should also know that... the nuke facility was protected by Army.... and the army generals knew every movement in and out of that facility. those were not just a small mini cd.. or a apper.. those were machineries...plans and technologies... Dr. Qadeer did all that and the government plus the army generals told him to do so..... Dr. Qadeer was forced to admit all that because if the investigations were done in a right manner then the army generals and the government was also involved.. DIRECTLY... (these generals include Musharaf... coz he was himself on the post b4 1999) y did he left Holland.. left his job there and came to Pakistan? for your kind information when he came to Pakistan he was asked how much do u want as your Pay? and he said.. as u wish.... His salary was 21,000 (round about that figure) from the time he joined and started the nuke program in Pakistan. the day he got rtired from KRL laboratories he had the same pay.... can u believe that? a person had the same pay from the 70's till late 90's Miss fati... I think the politician... scientists.. army and every1 else is wrong and ur right..... sorry to say.. but u need to stufy a lot about this topic. b4 posting u comment about this. Dr. Qadeer sacrificed for his country... to save his fellow scientists, the previous governments and Pakistan.. all that happened cannot be done by a single person. The government and the army support was there. people like Dr. Qadeer are a gift for this nation.. ppl like him are born once in centuries.... Governments come and go... but the kind of behaviour that was done with Dr. Qadeer will long be rememberd as the darkest days in the history of this nation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asim 0 Posted February 7, 2004 How did Pakistan got his nuke program running? we had a scientist.. Dr. Qadeer, who was willing to work not for the money but for his country.... but where we got all the machienery?.. the equipment?... huh? we took it from the underworld.... Pakistan had always been related to underworld some how or the other.... but no one raised his voice then... y is every1 yelling now? y don't they see the regular trains carring fused uranium from France to England? the green peace is the only organization protesting against that. y don't they see the proofs that the plans/blue prints of the nuke facility to libia were sold to libian government for 50 million US dollars... if, suppose, Dr. Qadeer was involved in that dealing then a small fraction of it was enough for him to run out of this country easily.... He even faced all those cases .... filed in Holland against him.. but no one helped him. He started and RAN this facility all by him self and now u say he i related to balck market ? an underworld agent? shame on you. and Shame on anyone who says so. study about it and then comment on this topic.... this is not justa n ordinary topic.. u are pointing at the HERO of this nation... HERO of the next generation of Pakistan..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asim 0 Posted February 7, 2004 what about million of dollars he got as a result of blackmarketing what "millions of dollars?" do u know the owner MCB? what was his name..... he is one of the person was has his personals planes... for ur info.. Dr. Qadeer has many cats :D but NO HOTEL... when he was in holland .. no it was thailand. it was Holland... he was studying there... when he was there.. the world didnt know him.. its the fame that brought him here.... what about hotels and a lot more money he has gained.. is this amount less.... the fame brought him here? huh.. ok if he had this much money y he didn't escaped out? coz his fame was damaged with the recent crisis? what do u have to say about this? don't get emotional.. just use ur brains. and if u guys say that he just wanted to help the muslim countries... then what about korea. is she a muslim country... ??? Korea got his nuke technology.. from the underworld.. the same place where Pakistan got its machienery. U know what? even the blue prints/plans for the facility were not carried to Pakistan by Dr. Qadeer..... he transfered it to Pakistan though a gold smuggler. bcoz he knew the inquiries will be under way as soon as he leave Holland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted February 7, 2004 what do u say. he wasnt involved in corruption. when the investigation has proved it. so do u have any proof of ur claim except a lame faith. tell me when this blackmarketing was carried. b4 1997. b4 the rule of musharaf i posted a comment in another topic related with aq khan.. this black marketing was going on till 1997.. when musharaf was made the general he made a command authority to maintain a check.. how can u blame musharaf for all this illegal activites.... ya . its not a mini cd.. but u know aq khan is a clever man. he brought technology from holland and he can transfer it too... the army men.. commanders who were involved were also investigated.. musharaf was on the post b4 1999. but for how long this blackmarketing was taking place.. after musharaf became the general , he made a command authority and after that no more of this continued... and if any of it did continue it was carried without state authorisation in any case the nuclear deals preceded Gen Musharraf's takeover in 1999 and have been suppressed since then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted February 7, 2004 (edited) ya. he had the same pay. what more he need. he has already got a lot by this black marketing. he have hotels not in pk but abroad. its similar to the claim of nawaz. he had a palace in riwand. and his wife claimed that they had nothing but a small house. u have studied a lot.. u have become a real politician... just an opposition. what our opposition has to do except to oppose on every point.. good and bad and the investigation has proved everything. aq khan has admit himself.. but u guys and the poiliticians r so close to him and his heart that u know about his faith that hes an honest man and cant do it ever.... dr aq khan admit his mistake.. and he saved himself. the kind of behaviour that was adopted with aq khan will b long remembered ... coz corruption has been forgiven.. ya v took all this from the underworld.. but with the authorization of the government.. this has been proved that government wasnt involved. so this is an illegal activity. which wasnt done for the betterment of muslim countries but just to have money. this blackmarketing is a common thing. everybody is involved in it. america has always helped israel . america is doing everywrong thing. amny of the countries r also doing... but what do u say.. that aq khan transfered the tecnology and v shud have said he did a gr8 thing. shame on those who are supporting an illegal activity.. shame on those guys who r blaming the government. they never felt ashamed for blaming the government. the government which is doing a lot for pk.. the government which was forced to takeover... all u guys have to do is to oppose musharaf.. there is a lot of contrast in ur own sayings, at one place u r saying that aq khan didnt transfer, how cud he.. and on the next place u r saying that everybody does it so y r v yelling now. he brought the technology from holland.. ofcourse a case had to b file against him... he did a lot for the country therefore he was given full autonomy.. krl was under him.. he has always been highly esteemed.. but because of his own corruption he has to face all this.. he said in his speech not to publicize the issue but opposition is still doing so.. so what r they trying to prove shame on people... how supportive they r towards aq khan.. and how against they r with musharaf.. although he has done a lot for the countries betterment. if he has done a few things(just an example)... for eg as u said removed islamiat from bsc syllabus.. u were speaking so against him.. a few of the members even said that he is qadayani.. what about all that... when u can point out ur fingers towards an honest man.. then i can surely point out mine towards a man who has not been so honest...i can surely express my views when u can express urs so bluntly against the government .. i can surely speak against a man whom i think is involved in corruption when u can speak against the president who is doing a lot for the country ..no his fame didnt get damaged by the recent crisis.... arent u guys still supporting him.. how is his fame damaged.. he wudnt have get any fame while in holland.. he has published books... changed the paragraphs and wrote his own praise in it. just in lust of fame... y he cudnt work in atomic commision of pakistan.. y he demanded for seperate laboratory... just for fameeee it has been proved that the technology was tranfered by qadeer khan.. ya korea got it from the underworkd.. but whos in the underworld.. he is also included in the underworld It is a wise advice now this regretful chapter should get closed, The people who were blaming various government organizations for acts and decisions of Dr. Qadeer on one side, while on the other they were saying that Qadeer has not committed any act of negligence. Now they should hold their tongues and should accept facts in view of the new statement. Edited February 7, 2004 by fati Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asim 0 Posted February 7, 2004 Miss fati ur repeating the same old questions... I have already answered them... plz read my replies again... The equipment from the under world required Pak government authorization... was it legal in the world to accept euipment from the under world? Libya and Iran handed over letter of transfer of technology to UN... this letter was issued by Pakistani officials... and this letter cannot be issued by a scientist or a bunch of scientists because KRL is not an independant labratory. It was and it is controlled by the Pakistani Army...... how can General Musharaf, General Karamat and General Aslam Baig were unaware of the technology being transfered? Also .... the Generals were taken into full confidence b4 sending the letter of transfer of technology. Ch. Shujaat of PML (Q) league said on behalf of his whole party that Dr. Qadeer is not a corrupt porson... Some ministers & media experts said he was FORCED TO READ THAT "confession" For proofs read the newspapers.... how can u say he was corrupt? Dr. Qadeer will never be able to go out of the country..... nor he waants to (except if the government hands him over to America.. coz Musharaf is their faithful DOG) what will he do with all his HOTELS in foreign countries? who operates them? Miss fati ur words don't hold any ground....... Stop repeating the same stuff all over again.. the truth is Musharaf and two other general + the previous governments were involved and they knew technology was being transfered. Your opinion does not hold any ground. Asim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koolsensation 0 Posted February 7, 2004 Please dont make it a big issue here try to make ur points clear in plasent manner besidez every1 can share their views and their so much in side this lill potical world which we still cant understand This is just blown out of proportion especially when compared to other states who are signatory to NPT and are guilty of spreading WMD. Pakistan is not signatory to NPT so Pak is not guilty of anything. However before we pass judgment we must keep in mind AQK has done a lot for Pak! BUT that does not mean he or any of his subordinates have the right to sell nuclear know how to any state unless it was authorized higher up. AQK has $2B in his bank account (oh really) If he does then where did it come from? Would be nice to know. Instead of jumping up and down lets wait until the smoke clears and ignore the western media for the moment. they have nothing better to do except bark like foaming at mouth ==== like they are. Of course no mentions of other states that are party to NPT and have proliferated 1000 times more. The first rule of what you want is asking for it, too much media coverage is also the culprit. We must hush up as this being our domestic affair and if any one is in pain then point him to the actual proliferaters and lets see what happens. President Musharraf did say that some Europeans individuals/companies must be investigated but that will happen when the cows come how. Those who are in agony are fighting a losing battle. Where there is a will there is a way those who want these toys will eventually get them by hook or crook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koolsensation 0 Posted February 7, 2004 You have some people here who are prepared to believe some of the stuff written in the western and Pak media, if it corresponds with their political biases, yet dimiss other stuff as untrue if it does not. Yet while condemning our own government and leaders, and make allegations based on what they want to believe, these people don't want to face upto why Libya (and Iran) betrayed our scientists and stabbed Pakistan in the back? Are not the likes of Libya the biggest traitors of them all to have not only sold out to the US, but left Pakistan in this position? I wonder why some people won't even address these crucial points, from where it all began? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fati 0 Posted February 9, 2004 pardon me if i was a bit rude while replying... i hope u wouldnt have mind the little tussle coz in sensitive issues such tussles do take place.... and mr asim sorry for repeating the same questions.. but the whole issue revolves around 2 or 3 questions... and thnx for replying again and again :) nobody knows everything about the issue.. Investigations have shown that nuclear secrets were passed on to Iran at the end of the 1980s, when Dr. Khan was heading the country's nuclear weapons programme. Investigators are also collecting details of assets owned by the suspects. "Some top scientists have accumulated huge wealth and own palatial houses," said a senior security official. "We are trying to determine the source of their wealth." involvment of musharaf isnt possible because this all was done in 1980 and 90s . general aslam beg.. if involved in this transfer would certainly have been questioned.. Libya and Iran handed over letter of transfer of technology to UN... this letter was issued by Pakistani officials... right.. and pakistani army officials have been investigatedd.. if that was issued by general would UN have forgiven that.... america has said that the state isnt involved. if the state was involved why would america defend us.. if Ch. Shujaat of PML (Q) league said that Dr. Qadeer is not a corrupt person.so there r many who have said that he is Prominent analyst Irshad Ahmed Haqqani has said in a critical situation when some people were trying to give a political coloring to the nuclear issue Dr. Qadeer by his confession has performed another service to the nation. He has confessed his negligence appealing to end the matter without further prolongation of the issue. ... he has accepted himself... u say that its done by force.... if this all was done with the authorization of the state then how come aq khan had so much assets with a single pay... if the state was involved then there would been evidences against the state as evidences exist against aq khan and other army officals.. including brigadiers These investigations are not over, they are continuing. Seven individuals are still under probe and they are being questioned. now if he had thought this one b4 what he will do with so many hotels abroad he wouldnt have done such a thing.. this is a useless question as a person doing a wrong act never thinks about that. newspapers have every sort of claim in them. . proofs have been given for his involvment and his assets. The civilian mind is reacting without taking into account the impending dangers and the consequences that can even jeopardise our existence as a people and as a nation-state. What do these protesters and mourners want? Defending the "right" to export nuclear technology (?), What the hell these scientists were doing by selling nuclear technology: A crime against humanity while making Pakistan vulnerable to foreign dictates. How are these scientists defendable, or their patrons in the security apparatuses, one may ask Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal, PML-N, and also the protesting families? Prime Minister Jamali said that the issue of Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan was now settled. He said that there was no justification to continue to play up the issue. Later, the prime minister said that the strike call given by the MMA on the issue of Dr Qadeer was unjustified. whose opinions hold ground, whose views r solid.. time will prove it and whatever time may prove, it will inshallah be in the benefit of the state! i conclude my views no more of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1b2c3 0 Posted February 9, 2004 Oh Yes fati: He did corruption/black marketing in the sense when NO ONE in the world was willing to give you the parts/tools/machinery needed for your nuclear operations then he arranged these parts from the black market using corruption for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asim 0 Posted February 10, 2004 a1b2c3 ... nice reply.... well tell u something... after trying to explain it again and again ... I am tired ..... they are repeating the same stuff all over again.... Now today when Iran and Korea have denied that they did not got Nuke Tech from Pakistan what will they say about this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rukh 25 Posted February 10, 2004 (edited) very nice replies by asim ,kool &a1b2c3 .. i am agree with u ppl hey to serious discusion lakin mujhy ik joke yad arha hay jo log yeh keh rahay hain kai DR AQ nai khud admit ker liya hay to phir gov ko kion blame ker rahay hain is per ik lateefa sun lain :D ik inspector ki watch choree ho jatee hay woh jailer sai kehta hay chor ko pakro ..after 1 one day ..inspector jailer ko phone kerta hai kay rehnay do case band ker do WATCH gher say hee mill gayee hai and u know guys jailer kia kehta hay ? he said > sir yeh case kaisai band ho ga 8 logoon say hum nai app ki WATCH choree kernay ka aaitraf kara liya hay :D ager FATI app ghor kero to app ko answer mill jaye ga kai DR AQ nai kis terha yeh sub admit kia :) Edited February 10, 2004 by rukh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1b2c3 0 Posted February 11, 2004 I believe in terms of Respect and Honor Dr A.Q. Khan is 2nd after Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Janah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
umair.zm 0 Posted February 11, 2004 A Q KHAN ko ziyada sar par na charhao guyss ..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
