Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 9, 2012 onislam.net/english/news/asia-pacific/454620-little-makkahs-ready-indonesians-for-hajj.htmlhttp://www.onislam.net/english/news/asia-pacific/454620-little-makkahs-ready-indonesians-for-hajj.html Agar aap thori se aqal use kertay to aap ko samajh aa jati k yeh sirf aik training camp hai jo hajion ko proper training deta hai aur aik picture mein aap uss company ka licence no. bhi dekh saktay hain,Hajj koi itna asaan fareeza nahi hai k pakistanion ki terha bas bag uthaya,ahraam pehna aur pohnch gaye hajj kernay balkeh iss k bohat se amaal hain aur amal ka proper kerna zaroori hota hai werna aap ka hajj nahi rehta aur yehi wajah hai k aik company hajion ko proper training denay k liye yeh camp lagati hai aur aap jaisay kam-aqal ussay kuch aur samajh ker uchalnay lag jatay hain... aur yeh sirf iran mein nahi hota balkeh indonesia mein bhi aisa hi hota hai k wahan bhi issi terha hi training di jati hai. www.onislam.net/english/news/asia-pacific/454620-little-makkahs-ready-indonesians-for-hajj.html Yeh article aap khud perh lein aur aap ko pata chal jaye ga k indonesia mein bhi issi terha khana kaaba bana ker trainig di jati hai aur iss mein ghalat hi kiya hai ?? aap kisi bhi islamic store per chalay jaein aap ko khana kaaba ka model her size mein mil jaye ga,wahan aap k kufr ka fatwa kahan chala jata hai ?? Indonesians per bhi aap kufr ka fatwa lagaein,aap iss liye nahi lagaein ge kiun k woh sunni hain :P Janab, we are not following indonesians. We are the true followers of RASOOLULLAH (SAW). Indonesia main bhi agar aisa hota hai tou wo bhi najayiz or Haram hai...Hajj sikhanay k or bohat sey tareeqay hain. Pakistanion ki tarah Hajj kernay sey kia murad hai? kia pakistan k saari Haji, Khana Kaba sair o tafreeh k liye jaatay hain? koi maqsad samajh nahi aaya is baat ka! kia aap ne kisi dukaan main kisi ko un models ya tasaweer ka tawaaf kertay dekha?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 9, 2012 2. All Imams are equal in rank and status to Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w). (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 270) Ab tum khud hi perh lo apni books mein kiya likha hai ?? Kiya yahan nahi likha k Imam Mehdi a.s baaz anbiya se afzal hain ?? Ab agar hamara aqeeda kufr hai to tum kon se musalman rahay ho apnay aqeeda mein Hazrat-e-Mehdi (RA) k baaray main Allah k Rasool (SAW) ka jo aqeeda hai, wohi humara aqeeda hai ....ghalat bayaani, bohtaan taraashi, baaton ko torr marorr ker paish kerna he tou aap ka shaiwa hai............apnay leader Zardari k baaray main bhi zera tehqeeq ker lein, kahin wo bhi aap k imaam tou nahi?? : ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 9, 2012 ...........apnay leader Zardari k baaray main bhi zera tehqeeq ker lein, kahin wo bhi aap k imaam tou nahi?? : ) Kala Jhanda or Panja tou Bilawal House bhi lehra raha hai....ghor keejiyega kabhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sobe 12 Posted May 10, 2012 Dainee and Rainbow... its one thing to judge someone faith and its another thing to obtain right/true facts and knowledge and also sharing the tru facts and knowledge... as a muslim its our duty to seek the true knowledge about islam.. we can ignore right now about it.. but on judgement day we will be question about it.. me yeh nahin kehta ke is tarah debate karnay se koi solution nikaltay hay aur na hi yeh hamara kaam hay i mean general public ka.. lakin ajj kal ulma ki bhi credibitly ko bhi hum jantay hain.. is topic ka maqsad kisi ko ghalat sabit karnay kay bajaye.. sahi knowledge dena tha... kisi ke faith ko judge karna kisi ke ikthyar me nahin hay thts diff thing lakin agar koi islam ke khilaf baat karay to as a muslim u have to make a stand for it.. thts all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbow 333 Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) well what can i say everyone has their own vieww ........ and jis waja sai woh point uthaya meinay i told hanzala bro in a pm ....he didnt mind we have resolved the issue ....topic close nae hoga but aram sai achay tareekay sai baat hogi na kay aik doosray kay akeeday par ilzam tarashee Edited May 10, 2012 by Rainbow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sobe 12 Posted May 10, 2012 aur yahan pe jo debate ho rahi hay ... again yeh ulma kaam hay is tarah ke mamalay ka sahi solution lagana but we all knw the situation.. pakistan me aik amm chori ka sach samnay nahi ata .. yeh to phir boht baray level ki debate hay ... lakin is ka matlab yeh nahi ke sachayi se muu pher liya jaye kionkay yeh aik aam musalman ko bhi jana zaroori hay aur is sach ko khood hasil karna khood farz hay aik musalman pe.. majority of us here we got islam in a plate by our parents... lakin kiya kabhi as an individual apnay faith ko judge kiya.. i think har kisi ko apnay faith aur islam mutabiq knowledge ko individually khood maloom kanra chiyay na ke jo society kahay bus us kay sath chlna chiya ya simple jo parent kahain... qiyama walay din bhi hum se hisab kitab as an idivudal hoga .. peechay koi society ya family support karnay ke liyay nain hogi.. is liyay sab ko apnay faith ko khood search karna chiyay as an idividual not simply follow the world and its people... aur ab jo baat ati hay itnay hawlay denay kay .. i mean 22 pages se jo yahan pe poori jahan se fatway jiyay rahay ... dekha jaye to baat simple kalmay pe hi akay khtum ho jati hay.. shiayon ka kalma kiya hay... thts it.. saray sahaba ko chor ke khilafat se pehlay.. jab se islam zinda hua tab se lekar Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) kki wafat tak jo islam tha woh complete hojata hay.. aur is baat se shia ho sunni ho .. qadyani/ ahmedi.. etc etc jo bhi ho sab mantay hain right.. us doran me simple kalma kiya tha islam me dakhil honay ka aur islam me rehnay ka.. azan kiya thi .. i think we all knw tht.. kionky is dor me jo bhi hua woh sab ko mana hi hay aur mantay bhi hain non muslim like cristain hindu sab mantay hain.. aur islam bana bhi isi dor me aur complete bhi isi dor me hua.. to agay sab log koi bhi ho wo .. sunni ho ahle hadees .. wahabi .. brelwi.. shia qadayni .. etc etc.. jo bhi hain sab khoodi apnay faith ko dekh lain.. its simple... basically islam kiya hay shirq kiya hay yeh hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) ne humay bata diya apnay zindgi me aur islam ko mukamal kardiya tha... basically to conclude this.. jo islam tha woh hazrat Muhmmad ( S.A.W) se huamy mila aur agay sahaba ne phelaya.. i dnt knw is baat ko itna complicated kion kar diya gaya.. har insaan is duniya me diff hay .. aur isi tarah saray sahaba ka apni jagah muqam hay aur har sahabi diff thay aur unqa ttareeqa bhi lakin.. BASIC sab ki aik thi kalma aik tha azan aik thi.. aqeeda aik tha .. is liyay liay unki personal level tuk ke action se na kabhi islam change hua na hoga,, kionky woh unka aur Allah ke darmyan ka mamla hay lakin islam aur us aqeeda aik hay aur hi tha aur hi rahgea.. kalma aik tha.. aik hay aur aik hi rahega.. quran aik tha .. aik hay aik hi rahega.. azan aik thi.. aik hi hay aur aik hi rahegi.. is liayy har koi apnay faith ko aur apnay islam ko khoodi dekh kar judge karlay .. kisi dosray ko karnay ki zaroorat nahin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sobe 12 Posted May 10, 2012 well what can i say everyone has their own vieww ........ and jis waja sai woh point uthaya meinay i told hanzala bro in a pm ....he didnt mind we have resolved the issue ....topic close nae hoga but aram sai achay tareekay sai baat hogi na kay aik doosray kay akeeday par ilzam tarashee kisi ke aqeeday pe ilzam laganay ka kisi ke pass haq hi nahin.. lakin tht doesnt mean u keep ur mouth shut about truth.. no body is saying to go to extreme level and declare war against someone .. lakin sach sabit karna aur sach bolna aur sach duniya ko dikahan na sirif zaroori hay blkay hukum diya gaya hay u have to do it thts all.. agar koi suicide kar raha hoga to aam tor pe log is liyay rokaingay kionkay woh apni life waste kar raha for nuthing .. lakin dekha jaye to is liay rokna chiyay kionkay woh jahunum me jayega suicide karnay se .. har kisi ki apni soch hay apni jagah.. and i respect tht.. but th doesnt mean u should be afraid to say the truth.. yehi prblm hay ajj huamri society ka aur yehi wajah hay humaray downfall ki.. insaaf aur sach ko koi accpet nahi karta... right right hota hay aur right hi rahega Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbow 333 Posted May 10, 2012 i think yeh kaam ulma karam ka hai ...i my self is still in learning process so i cnt go around and tell people k yeh sahi hai yeh ghalat .. i only asked to stop tht few rival akeeda members were comming here and replying wth quite sarcastic views which even thy knw are wrong and we knw ..........i dun knw much but i wud do one thing and tht is i wont bring anyone at such level k woh abuse karay khulay aaam cos then it will be me who will be gunahgaar not him cos mein uus ko wahan tak laoon gi i hope u get the point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sobe 12 Posted May 10, 2012 i wanted to add more ke agar koi sach ya sahi ya insaaf ki baat karnay lagay to us pe fitnay ka ilzam laga ke usay chup karwa diya jata hay .. abu hanzla bro ne is topic ke title me ? rakha hay hay statement nahin jai ki.. aur unhhy khood bhi pata hay ke woh kisi ko khood se kafir declare nahin kar saktay.. unhon ne aik sawal poocha .. aur jo baat omer khan ne shia ki killing ki .. srry to inform u lakin.. seculirsm ki wajah se sunni appas me bhi aik dosray ko martay hain.. uska zikar kion nahin kiya.. yahan pe kisi ko kill karay ki ya kafir sabit karnay ki baat nahin ho rahi.. yahan pe sach samnay lanay ki baat ho rahi hay.. yes is tarah ke topic se prblm creat hoti hay.. ikhtilfat hotay hain... lakin woh is liyay nahin hotay kionkay we all have differnet views.. kionkay islam me koi diff view nahin hay.. islam ka aqeeda aik hay.. we simply dnt want to accpet it.. is liyay prblms hoti hain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 10, 2012 Kala Jhanda or Panja tou Bilawal House bhi lehra raha hai....ghor keejiyega kabhi Kala Alam to Rasool Allah saww ki sunnat hai,kiya history nahi perhi k Rasool Allah saww ka Alam bhi kaala tha ya mein tumhain dikhaon sunni books se ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 10, 2012 Hazrat-e-Mehdi (RA) k baaray main Allah k Rasool (SAW) ka jo aqeeda hai, wohi humara aqeeda hai ....ghalat bayaani, bohtaan taraashi, baaton ko torr marorr ker paish kerna he tou aap ka shaiwa hai............apnay leader Zardari k baaray main bhi zera tehqeeq ker lein, kahin wo bhi aap k imaam tou nahi?? : ) Hum kisi ko imam ya khalifah nahi mantay jo election ya selection se aaya ho,khilafat/imamat ka asool simple quran mein mojood hai k sirf Allah ki zaat hi iss duniya mein imam/khalifah bana sakta hai aur uss k liye kisi ko saqeefa mein election kerwanay ki zaroorat nahi perti aur na hi woh khalifah hota hai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 10, 2012 Janab, we are not following indonesians. We are the true followers of RASOOLULLAH (SAW). Indonesia main bhi agar aisa hota hai tou wo bhi najayiz or Haram hai...Hajj sikhanay k or bohat sey tareeqay hain. Pakistanion ki tarah Hajj kernay sey kia murad hai? kia pakistan k saari Haji, Khana Kaba sair o tafreeh k liye jaatay hain? koi maqsad samajh nahi aaya is baat ka! kia aap ne kisi dukaan main kisi ko un models ya tasaweer ka tawaaf kertay dekha?? Kiya sirf model ka tawaaf kiya jaye tab hi haraam hai ?? Agar aap k ghar mein buat ho aur aap ussay sajda na karein to kiya woh aap k liye halal ho ga ?? Agar model haram hai to phir woh her situations mein haraam hona chahiye aur agar nahi hai to phir tranining mein bhi haram nahi ho ga aur Quran ki kon se ayat se aap sabit karo ge k training k liye model bunana haraam hai ??dosri baat jis ne yeh pictures upload kein uss ne jahiliat mein shia k kufr ka likha agar iranian ka amal per sab shia zimadar hain to phir indonesians k amal per sab sunni zimadar hain,ab agar shia ne haraam kaam kiya to wohi haram kaam sunnion ne bhi kiya :P Aur iss terha bachon ki terha tanz kernay ka koi faida nahi aur na hi copy paste kernay se ilm hasil hota hai,aap unn baaton ko refuse karo jo mein ne jawab mein sunni books se sabit ki hain werna mano k aap loagon ne munafaqat ki hai loagon ko gumrah kernay k liye. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 10, 2012 Kiya haq ko manzar-e-aam per lana fitna hai???ohh sorry main bhool gaya thaa k shia hazraat k haan haq ko chupana sawaab kehlaya jata hai, Taqia ki taraf ishara hai,, agar aap shia k baatil mazhab sey zera bhi waqif hain tou maloom he hoga is baaray main....hum bilkul ye samajhtay hain k aap in baaton k jawaab nahi dey saktay.....bhayi aap dikhaayein na aisi baatein jo aap k khyaal main humain munh chupanay k qaabil nahi chorray gi....Yahan Shia v/s sunni nahi, bal k Shia v/s Muslim ki discussion ho rahi hai...lihaza aisay hawaalay paish karain jo Quran & Hadis sey mutasadim na hon.....ye ek discussion forums hai, tou as long as people are not abusing or talking without facts i dont think kisi ko bhi band kerna chahiye.....aap humari koi ek post dikha dein jis main hum kisi k saath personal huay ya gaali di? tabarra kerna humara nahi shia hazraat ka shaiwa hai, bal k Sahaba Karam (RA) per tabarra kerna bhi aap k haan sawaab hai....jo k aap logon ne kia........aap ki bhi in saari posts sey ye hi zahir hua, k aap bhi facts per baat kernay k bajaaye ilzaam taraashi or galam galoch per utar aaye.....Amma Ayesha (RA) ne na kabhi Nabi Akram (SAW) ki wafaat per noha kia, chehray per maara peeta, or na kabhi uss k baad,,,,or bil-farz maan bhi liya jaaye k unhon ne aisa kia tou aap Amma Ayesha (RA) k baaqi aqwaal, or aamaal ko follow kiun nahi kertay, sirf matam ko he kiun? Pichlay topics main kiye gaye Shia Aqeedah k baaray main sawalon k jawab tu aaj tak milay nahi, lekin again but again, Few questions from you: aap ka kalma kia hai? Kia aap Quran ko mukammal or kisi bhi tehreef sey pak samajhtay hain? aap ki Sahaba Karam (RA) including Amma Ayesha (RA) k baaray main kia raaye hai? Khilafat k baaray main aap ka aqeedah kia hai? Dil per churi rakh ker ye nick choose kernay ki wajah bata saktay hain? Hamara Kalma wohi hai jo Quran ne bataya aur jo Rasool Allah saww ne bataya,aap aisa karein Apni book tarikh tabari uthaein aur dawat zul asheera ka topic perh lein jis mein Rasool Allah saww ne jo fermaya hum wohi kalma mein perhtay hain,nahi pata aap sunnah sunnah ka naara to lagatay hain magar jahan Mola ali a.s ki baat ho aap ko sunnah bhool jati hai :PJahan tak baat hai tahreef e Quran ki to mein ne abhi sirf aik book se aap ko aap k tahreef ka aqeeda dikhaya hai,kiya aap batana pasand karein ge k aap ka tahreef k baray meink iya aqeeda hai ?? agar aap tahreef nahi mantay to phir hazrat umar,ibn umar aur hazrat ayesha k baray mein aap kiya kaho ge jo tahreef k qail thay ?? Jahan tak shia aqeeda ki baat hai to shia books mein aisi riwayaat mojood hain lakin aap ko hamara aqeeda dekhna chahiye k jo bhi hadith ya riwayat Quran k kisi hukam k khilaf ho hamaray haan uss ki koi hasiat nahi hai aur shia aqeeda hai k quran mukamal hai agar aap ko yaqeen nahi aata to aap abhi ja ker kisi book stall se shia publisher ka Quran khareedein aur sunni publisher k Quran se match kerein agar aap ko aik ayat ka bhi farq nazar aaye to aap hum per tahreef ka ilzam laganay ka haq rakhtay hain... Sahaba k baray mein koi bhi nahi kehta k woh masoom thay ya woh ghalti nahi ker saktay aur hadith o tarikh se sabit bhi hai k bohat se sahabi murtad bhi ho gaye thay,uss k liye aap ko kuch misaalein deta hoon,aap maalik bin nuwera k baray mein kiya kahein ge jo sahabi e Rasool saww bhi thay aur hazrat abu bakar ki hakumat mein unn ko qatal kiya gaya ?? abdul rehman bin udais balavi jo bait e shajra mein bhi shamil thay aur Rasool Allah saww k sahabi bhi thay aur ahadees k raavi bhi thay lakin hazrat usman k qatal kernay walay egyptians k sardar thay,aap uss sahabi k baray mein kiya kahein ge ?? Aur aap uss hauz e kausar wali hadith k baray mein kiya kahein ge jis mein kaha gaya hai k kuch sahabion ko meray samnay se dour ker diya jaye ga ?? Hamara emaan hai k sahabion mein 2 group thay aik momin aur dosray munafiq aur jahan tak baat hai hazrat ayesha ki to aap Surah tahreem perh lein jis mein Allah ne kaha hai k tumharay dil phir chukay hain,tumhain tobah kerni ho gi,Aur Allah ne aur Rasool allah saww ne hukam diya tha azwaaj ko k meray baad tum apnay gharon mein bethi rehna Aur yeh bhi bata diya tha k meri aik biwi per hawab k kuttay bhonkein ge lakin hazrat ayesha ne Allah aur Rasool Allah saww k hukam ki na-fermani ki,ab aap bataein k aap uss k baray mein kiya emaan rakhtay hain jo Allah aur Rasool Allah saww k hukam ki na-fermani karay ?? Khilafat k baray mein main kiya kahon ga ?? Iss k baray mein to quran mein sab kuch clear hai aur kisi bhi Quran k waqiya se yeh sabit nahi hai k khilafat kabhi loagon k ecletion/selection se kisi ko mili ho balkeh khalifah bunanay ka kaam sirf Allah k paas hai,ab aap bataein k aap Allah k qanoon k khilaf khalifah kaisay bana saktay hain ?? Jahan tak baat hai iss ID ki to mein ne kafi usernames se anay ki koshish ki magar mujhay post kernay ki ijazat nahi mili,jis per mujhay yeh ID bunani pari,ab mujhay nahi pata k admins ne sab IDs late accept kein ya kuch aur reason tha kher jo bhi hai mera maqsad yahan post kerna tha aur waisay bhi iss naam k sath kisi k Rights Reserved bhi nahi hain,insan ka apna kirdaar hota hai jis se pehchana jata hai,Ab suleman Nabi bhi thay aur Sahabi Rasool saww bhi thay lakin ussi naam se aik gustakh bhi hai. Ab hum atay hain Taqiyah per kiun k aap ne yahan tanz kiya hai mujh per,aap ko ilm hai k aap k imam bukhari ne Taqiyah ko jaiz qarar diya hai jab k unhon ne to shaih bukhari mein ayat ki tafseer mein yeh kaha hai k taqiyah karo aur yeh bhi likha hai k taqiyah qayamat tak jaiz hai,ab mujhay nahi samajh aati k jisay Quran ne jaiz qarar diya ho aur sahih bukhari ne qarar diya ho aap ussay kaisay ghalat keh saktay hain ?? kiya aap quran aur sahih bukhari ko nahi mantay ?? Jahan tak baat hai tabarrah ki to shayed aap ne apni zindagi mein kabhi apna 6th kalma nahi perha jis mein tabarrah ka zikr hai :P Aap kaisay sunni hain k apna kalma ka bhi inkar ker rahay hain ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 10, 2012 Aap ne apni post mein kaha k "Amma Ayesha (RA) ne na kabhi Nabi Akram (SAW) ki wafaat per noha kia, chehray per maara peeta, or na kabhi uss k baad,,,,or bil-farz maan bhi liya jaaye k unhon ne aisa kia tou aap Amma Ayesha (RA) k baaqi aqwaal, or aamaal ko follow kiun nahi kertay, sirf matam ko he kiun?" Dekhein yeh aap ki kam-ilmi hai k aap iss baat ka inkar ker rahay hain jab k aap aksar history books mein yeh waqiya perh saktay hain,ab mein aap ko iss ka scan page bhi dikha deta hoon ta k aap k ilm mein izafa ho. Mein aap ko yeh waqiya history books se bhi dikha sakta tha lakin aap kehtay k history books ko muatabar nahi mantay,issi liye mein ne hadith ki book ka page upload kiya jo k aap k aqeeda mein muatabar book hai,umeed hai ab aap apnay comments iss waqiya k baray mein zaroor dein ge. Phir aap ne pocha k hum hazrat ayesha ki baaki baaton per amal kiun nahi kertay sirf matam per hi kiun amal kertay hain to janab hum iss wajah se matam nahi kertay k hazrat ayesha ne kiya balkeh yeh baat aap ko samjhanay k liye bataye jati hai kiun k aap hazrat ayesha k her aik amal ko sahi mantay hain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 12, 2012 Kala Alam to Rasool Allah saww ki sunnat hai,kiya history nahi perhi k Rasool Allah saww ka Alam bhi kaala tha ya mein tumhain dikhaon sunni books se ?? Safaid alam bhi Nabi Akram (SAW) ki sunnat hai, wo bhi lehraya kabhi?every1 knows the story behind the Kala Alam so this argument is baseless Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 12, 2012 Hum kisi ko imam ya khalifah nahi mantay jo election ya selection se aaya ho,khilafat/imamat ka asool simple quran mein mojood hai k sirf Allah ki zaat hi iss duniya mein imam/khalifah bana sakta hai aur uss k liye kisi ko saqeefa mein election kerwanay ki zaroorat nahi perti aur na hi woh khalifah hota hai Quran ki aayat bhi quote kerna pasand fermaayein gey jahan Allah ne ye usool bataya ho?ILM main izafay k liye he sahi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 12, 2012 Kiya sirf model ka tawaaf kiya jaye tab hi haraam hai ?? Agar aap k ghar mein buat ho aur aap ussay sajda na karein to kiya woh aap k liye halal ho ga ?? Agar model haram hai to phir woh her situations mein haraam hona chahiye aur agar nahi hai to phir tranining mein bhi haram nahi ho ga aur Quran ki kon se ayat se aap sabit karo ge k training k liye model bunana haraam hai ?? dosri baat jis ne yeh pictures upload kein uss ne jahiliat mein shia k kufr ka likha agar iranian ka amal per sab shia zimadar hain to phir indonesians k amal per sab sunni zimadar hain,ab agar shia ne haraam kaam kiya to wohi haram kaam sunnion ne bhi kiya :P Aur iss terha bachon ki terha tanz kernay ka koi faida nahi aur na hi copy paste kernay se ilm hasil hota hai,aap unn baaton ko refuse karo jo mein ne jawab mein sunni books se sabit ki hain werna mano k aap loagon ne munafaqat ki hai loagon ko gumrah kernay k liye. Yaani aap maan rahay hain k Iran main aisa hua k Khana Kaba ka model bana ker tawaf kia gaya or aisa kerna haram amal thaa, bal k shirk thaa? aap ki baaqi ki baatein theek hain, k model banana, buton ko ghar main rakhna, tasaweer rakhna, sab k sab kaam najaaiz hain or haraam hain.. doosri guzarish ye hai k iranion ka amal kiya, hum tou yaheen dekh rahay hotay hain julooson main,majlison main, tasaweer or models uthaye hotay hain or un ki pooja ki ja rahi hoti hai, kayi ilaaqon main main ne dekha k NaoozuBILLAH Hazrat Ali (RA) ki pic lagayi hoti hai, poori dunya k Musalmaan Denmark main banaye gaye cartoons k khilaaf uth kharray gaye, unhain kia maloom yahan apnay mulk main kia ho raha hai,koi ek amal tou Islam k mutabiq ho tou hum maanain k chalo ye baat tou mushtarik hai hum main, or phir isi per bus nahi, zuljinah naami ghorray ki jo sir-e-aam pooja ki jaati hai, kia ye amal Quran o Hadis main hai?Sahaba Karam, ya AhleBait (RA) main sey kisi ne bhi kia?un k baad kisi ne kiya???agar in sab baaton ka jaab yes hai tou zera proof dikhaayein, nahi hai tou sara sar shirk hai, Hindu bhi Gaaye ki pooja kartay hain, or humaray haan bhi aisa he ho raha hai tou phir kia difference? Koi ye saabit ker dey k main ne abhi jo recent replies kiye hain copy paste kiye hain, tou ye topic beyshak band kerwaa dein. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 12, 2012 ,aap unn baaton ko refuse karo jo mein ne jawab mein sunni books se sabit ki hain werna mano k aap loagon ne munafaqat ki hai loagon ko gumrah kernay k liye. For me meray liye koi aisa amal motabar nahi Quran or Hadis k ilawa kahin or sey saabit kia gaya ho... chahay sunni ki ho ya shiaki,,,,lihaza I REFUSE ...mohtaram main pehlay bhi arz ker chuka hun k yahan sunni shia ki nahi, Musalmaano or Shia k aqeeday ki baat ho rahi hai,,, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abu_Hanzala 2 Posted May 12, 2012 Aap ne apni post mein kaha k "Amma Ayesha (RA) ne na kabhi Nabi Akram (SAW) ki wafaat per noha kia, chehray per maara peeta, or na kabhi uss k baad,,,,or bil-farz maan bhi liya jaaye k unhon ne aisa kia tou aap Amma Ayesha (RA) k baaqi aqwaal, or aamaal ko follow kiun nahi kertay, sirf matam ko he kiun?" Dekhein yeh aap ki kam-ilmi hai k aap iss baat ka inkar ker rahay hain jab k aap aksar history books mein yeh waqiya perh saktay hain,ab mein aap ko iss ka scan page bhi dikha deta hoon ta k aap k ilm mein izafa ho. Mein aap ko yeh waqiya history books se bhi dikha sakta tha lakin aap kehtay k history books ko muatabar nahi mantay,issi liye mein ne hadith ki book ka page upload kiya jo k aap k aqeeda mein muatabar book hai,umeed hai ab aap apnay comments iss waqiya k baray mein zaroor dein ge. Phir aap ne pocha k hum hazrat ayesha ki baaki baaton per amal kiun nahi kertay sirf matam per hi kiun amal kertay hain to janab hum iss wajah se matam nahi kertay k hazrat ayesha ne kiya balkeh yeh baat aap ko samjhanay k liye bataye jati hai kiun k aap hazrat ayesha k her aik amal ko sahi mantay hain. Pehli baat ka jawaab main ooper dey chuka hun,,,,main ab bhi apni baat per qaaim hun, k Amma Ayesha (RAW) ne matam jaisa insaaniyat k or fitrat k khilaaf amal nahi kia NABI AKRAM (SAW) ki wafaat per bhi.... doosri baat ka jawaab ye k sirf AMMA AYESHA (RA) he nahi bal k her Sahabi k amal ko jo Nabi Akram (SAW) k saamnay hua ho ya un k baad , agar Nabi AKRAM (SAW) ne us amal sey roka na ho tou hum bhi usay sahi maantay hain...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 12, 2012 Safaid alam bhi Nabi Akram (SAW) ki sunnat hai, wo bhi lehraya kabhi?every1 knows the story behind the Kala Alam so this argument is baseless Janab kiya aap mantay hain k Kaala Alam Rasool Allah saww ki sunnat hai ?? Phir aap sunnat per etiraz kernay walay kon hotay hain ?? Kiya aap loag sunnat k sirrf iss liye mukhalif hain kiun k shia kaala alam lehratay hain ?? Aur aap iss baat ko chore dein k sufaid lehraya ya nahi,aap sirf itna bataein k kiya aap ne kabhi kaala alam lehraya ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 12, 2012 Quran ki aayat bhi quote kerna pasand fermaayein gey jahan Allah ne ye usool bataya ho?ILM main izafay k liye he sahi Dekhein pehlay to aap quran se sabit karein k kisi khalifah ko election se banaya gaya ho ?? Uss k baad mein aap ko uss baat ka jawab doon ga jis ka aap ne pocha hai. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 12, 2012 Yaani aap maan rahay hain k Iran main aisa hua k Khana Kaba ka model bana ker tawaf kia gaya or aisa kerna haram amal thaa, bal k shirk thaa? aap ki baaqi ki baatein theek hain, k model banana, buton ko ghar main rakhna, tasaweer rakhna, sab k sab kaam najaaiz hain or haraam hain.. doosri guzarish ye hai k iranion ka amal kiya, hum tou yaheen dekh rahay hotay hain julooson main,majlison main, tasaweer or models uthaye hotay hain or un ki pooja ki ja rahi hoti hai, kayi ilaaqon main main ne dekha k NaoozuBILLAH Hazrat Ali (RA) ki pic lagayi hoti hai, poori dunya k Musalmaan Denmark main banaye gaye cartoons k khilaaf uth kharray gaye, unhain kia maloom yahan apnay mulk main kia ho raha hai,koi ek amal tou Islam k mutabiq ho tou hum maanain k chalo ye baat tou mushtarik hai hum main, or phir isi per bus nahi, zuljinah naami ghorray ki jo sir-e-aam pooja ki jaati hai, kia ye amal Quran o Hadis main hai?Sahaba Karam, ya AhleBait (RA) main sey kisi ne bhi kia?un k baad kisi ne kiya???agar in sab baaton ka jaab yes hai tou zera proof dikhaayein, nahi hai tou sara sar shirk hai, Hindu bhi Gaaye ki pooja kartay hain, or humaray haan bhi aisa he ho raha hai tou phir kia difference? Koi ye saabit ker dey k main ne abhi jo recent replies kiye hain copy paste kiye hain, tou ye topic beyshak band kerwaa dein. Janab mein ne aisa kab kaha k iran mein jo hajj tarining ki gaye woh haram hai ?? mein ne to aap ko kaha k agar aap ki soch k nazdeek agar iran k loagon ne haram kaam kiya to wohi kaam indonesian bhi kertay hain,phir aap ko unn per bhi fatwa dena chahiye k unhon ne bhi haraam kaam kiya aur waisa kernay walay sunni thay...Ab jahan tak baat hai shabeehat ki to uss mein aap kahein se sabit ker do k shabeeh bunana ghalat hai aur aap ahteraam aur pooja ko mix na karein kiun k agar aap apnay walid ka ahteraam kertay hain to iss ka matlab yeh nahi hota k aap apnay walid ki pooja ker rahay hain... Aur jahan tak baat hai Mola Ali a.s ki tasveer ki to hamara aqeeda iss ki ijazat nahi deta aur agar koi tasveer banata hai to woh uss ka zaati fael hai... Aur aap ne Mola Ali a.s ki tasveer ko denmark k cartoons se compare ker k bohat hi bewaqoofana baat ki,aap ne kabhi danish cartoons dekhay bhi hain ya sirf sunni sunai baaton per yaqeen kertay hain ?? Aap kabhi dekhiye ga woh cartoons...uss mein aik bachi wala cartoon hai..aap jaisay hi uss cartoon ko dekhein ge to aap foran kahein ge iss shaks ne zaroor sahih bukhari ki woh hadith perhi ho gi k jab Rasool Allah saww ne ayesha se nikah kiya to woh 6 saal ki bachi thi aur Rasool Allah saww ki age 52/53 saal thi...Yaqeen karein k agar aap ki books mein aisi ghalat baatein na hotein to na hi woh cartoon bunta aur na hi suleman rushdi tauheen-amaiz book likhta...aap zaroor apnay gareban mein jhankiye ga ta k aap ko apni ghaltion ka ahsaas ho sakay :P Aur aap ne kaha k aap ne copy paste nahi kiya....aap kon se posts ki baat ker rahay hain ?? starting posts ki baat ker rahay hain ?? kiya woh aap ne copy paste nahi kiya ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 12, 2012 For me meray liye koi aisa amal motabar nahi Quran or Hadis k ilawa kahin or sey saabit kia gaya ho... chahay sunni ki ho ya shiaki,,,,lihaza I REFUSE ...mohtaram main pehlay bhi arz ker chuka hun k yahan sunni shia ki nahi, Musalmaano or Shia k aqeeday ki baat ho rahi hai,,, Aap k liye Quran ki bhi kiya izzat hai ?? Kiya aap loagon ki uss Quran ki ahmiat hai jisay aap loag urine aur blood se likhna jaiz samajhtay hain ??Janab aap k moun se aisi baatein achi nahi lagtein pehlay aap apnay aqeeda mein Quran ka ahteraam dekh lein phir aisi baat kernay ki koshish kijiye ga :P Agar aap sirf Quran aur hadith ko mantay hain to phir aap ne shia books se sirf hadith se quote kiya ?? Jab aap khud apnay asool per qaim nahi reh saktay to phir aap ko bhi waisi hi books se jawab milay ga jaisi books aap ne quote kein... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 12, 2012 Pehli baat ka jawaab main ooper dey chuka hun,,,,main ab bhi apni baat per qaaim hun, k Amma Ayesha (RAW) ne matam jaisa insaaniyat k or fitrat k khilaaf amal nahi kia NABI AKRAM (SAW) ki wafaat per bhi.... doosri baat ka jawaab ye k sirf AMMA AYESHA (RA) he nahi bal k her Sahabi k amal ko jo Nabi Akram (SAW) k saamnay hua ho ya un k baad , agar Nabi AKRAM (SAW) ne us amal sey roka na ho tou hum bhi usay sahi maantay hain...... Subhan Allah...issay kehtay hain dhetai...Hadith ki muatabar book se scan page upload kiya gaya hai lakin uss k bawajood bhi uss ka inkar kiya ja raha hai :P Ab aap mujhay sirf itna batao k kiya ayesha ne shariat k khilaf kaam kiya ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
omar_khan 0 Posted May 12, 2012 Aap kafi baatein choar gaye :P Aap ne last posts mein Taqiyah aur Tabarah per baat ki thi jis k jawab mein main ne aap ko sahih bukhari aur apna 6th kalma perhnay k baray mein kaha tha,shayed aap ne perha aur aap la-jawab ho gaye unn baaton per tabhi iss baar baat gol ker gaye Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
