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Is Shia Kaafir?

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Asalam _0_ Alikaum all

Main nay yeh posts parthi hain and main yahan apni opinion batana chati hoo kay Kay kisi hindo ko bhi kafir nahi kahna chayn Shia log tu phir bhi Allah ka naam laytay hain Allah kay Rasool Hazrat Mohammad SAW) ko mantay hain namaz parthaty hain bhalay un ka tariqa alag ho par humain koi haq nahi kay hum unhain kafir kahay i think hamian bas Allah ka shukar ada karna chayy aur Allah ki ibadat karni chayn kyu kay hamain nahi pata kay Allah kis ki ibadat qabool karta hain meray pas itni knowlegde nahi fiqa jafferiya kay baray main par maeri soch hain kay humain kisi ko bhi galat alfaz nahi kahna chay akhri Rasool ki sunnat pay ammal karay Allah ki ibadat karayn kisi ko bura kahna Allah aur us kay Rasool(SAW) ko pasand nahi

meena sister ap k view kisi had tak thek hain but mujhe ek baat batao ap sunni hona?

agar apki ami ko koi galli de apko kaisa lagega?m tu uski jaan le longa,ye shia umol mominin ko jo hum sab ki maa hain hazrat aisha sidiqa(R.A) ko galiyan dete hain umar faroq,usman ghani,hazrat abu bakar ko...ap kaise unhe keh rai ho k ye nai i think ap ne kabhi quran pak nai parha,us m saaaf likha hai jo sahaba ki shaan m gustakhi kare wo kafir hai,aur rai baat hinduo ki tu behan un k kufar m kya shaq hai apko jo ap unhe bhi nai kehti?meri yahoo id hai waqcriminal@yahoo.com agar ap ko discuss kerna hai tu msg kerdena...

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QUOTE (Meena_Ahmed @ Jan 26 2010, 10:30 AM)

Asalam _0_ Alikaum all

Main nay yeh posts parthi hain and main yahan apni opinion batana chati hoo kay Kay kisi hindo ko bhi kafir nahi kahna chayn Shia log tu phir bhi Allah ka naam laytay hain Allah kay Rasool Hazrat Mohammad SAW) ko mantay hain namaz parthaty hain bhalay un ka tariqa alag ho par humain koi haq nahi kay hum unhain kafir kahay i think hamian bas Allah ka shukar ada karna chayy aur Allah ki ibadat karni chayn kyu kay hamain nahi pata kay Allah kis ki ibadat qabool karta hain meray pas itni knowlegde nahi fiqa jafferiya kay baray main par maeri soch hain kay humain kisi ko bhi galat alfaz nahi kahna chay akhri Rasool ki sunnat pay ammal karay Allah ki ibadat karayn kisi ko bura kahna Allah aur us kay Rasool(SAW) ko pasand nahi

Shia ko kafir nakhyeen too kia musalman keh kar uss kay sath shadi bihaa shur kar dain ?? Shia ko Kafir ko kafir nahi kahyeen gay too yaa bhut saryee Sahi ul aqeeda loogoon koo bhee gumrah kar dain gay

Yes they have the right to live, we can talk with them , but should understand them first ! This is all about teling people whats right and whats wrong !

]meena sister ap k view kisi had tak thek hain but mujhe ek baat batao ap sunni hona?

agar apki ami ko koi galli de apko kaisa lagega?m tu uski jaan le longa,ye shia umol mominin ko jo hum sab ki maa hain hazrat aisha sidiqa(R.A) ko galiyan dete hain umar faroq,usman ghani,hazrat abu bakar ko...ap kaise unhe keh rai ho k ye nai i think ap ne kabhi quran pak nai parha,us m saaaf likha hai jo sahaba ki shaan m gustakhi kare wo kafir hai,aur rai baat hinduo ki tu behan un k kufar m kya shaq hai apko jo ap unhe bhi nai kehti?meri yahoo id hai waqcriminal@yahoo.com agar ap ko discuss kerna hai tu msg kerdena

Waqar you are 100 % right ! we cannot let them speak this rubbish , what ever their ill faiths are.. they can keep it to them selves but ... barking about the Shaba :ra: is part of their so called iman ... we canot let them do it , thats why we should understand them and we should stop them at all costs !

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:salam:all m leaving C.Y ap log chahay kuch bhi samjhooo i dn't care agar ap logo ko lagta hain kay ap logo kay kafir kahnay say kafir koi farak parta hain so carry on

TXZ

Allah Hafiz Forever

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MAIN SRIF ITNA KEHNA CHAHTI HOON K APP SUNNI SHIA KYA BOL RAHE HAIN HAMARE SUNNI LOAG MAIN BHI KITNE FIRKE BAN GAYE HAIN APP KIS KO SAHI AUR KIS KO GHALAT SAMJHEIN GAY KYA JAWAB HAI APP K PASS MERE SAWAL KA

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Aslam alikum,

Please admin remove this topic from coolyarforums.. because all discussion on this topic is like a bhes beacuse all persons give thier opinions in other manners, so plz wind up or remove this topic

thanks

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Mansoor.......absolutely right as always...

Mehak......Hum uss jamaat ko sahi samajhtay hain jo ALLAH or Rasool k ahkaamaat k khilaaf koi aqeedah na rakkhay or humara ta'alluq ussi jamaat sey hai......I think this is the shortest and precise answer i could give...

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Abu Hanzala i do agree with your definition

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ایرانی شیعہ نے ایران میں خانہ کعبہ بنایا ہے اب ان کے مسلمان کہلانے کے جھوٹے دعویٰ کا پول کھل کر سامنے آ گیا ہے۔

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Emaad: Sacchi baat bataoon k main samajhta thaa k aap bhi Shia ho...lekin is post k baad main maafi maangta hoon k main ne ghalat socha.

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Emaad: Sacchi baat bataoon k main samajhta thaa k aap bhi Shia ho...lekin is post k baad main maafi maangta hoon k main ne ghalat socha.

bhai soch tuk mehdood mat rahoo..

doubtfull chizon ko confirm kerna behter hota hai.. na pata hoo tu poch lena chahiyay

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Aslamualikumm....

Emaad bhai kia ap ko yakeen hai k ye wa k hi khaana kaaba bnaya hua hai waha...ho skta hai k unho ne apna terbiyatii camp bnaya ho jo wo hujaj karam ko janay k liye lgatay hai......so is baray zara detail de to acha ho ga.... pics se kaam nai chalay ga...mjhy lg rha hai k ye terbiyati camo jaisa hai...so gv me detail pls...thx

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asalam o alikum,

main bas yahi kehna chahta ho ke ALLAH Behtar janta hay ke kon kafir hay aur Musalman. Humain chahie ke hum sab se phele apne amaal ko dekhain phir dosro par nazar rakhain. anyways is topic ko dekh kar kafi information mili hay... Baki ALLAH Ziada behta janta hay...

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yes sha g ap bilkulll sahi khtay hai...hmay phlay apnay giraah baan mai jhaak laina chaiye or gora krna chahiye k hm sahi rah mai hai.....ALLAh hum sab ko sahi ilm ata fermaye or naik kaam krnay ki toofeeq (AMEEN)

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Walikumossalam Rayyan and Shahabi:

Baat ye hai k yahan Aamaal ki baat ho he nahi rahi k hum graibaan main jhaank ker dekhein yahan baat aqeeday ki ho rahi hai. Aamaal no doubt humaray theek nahi hain lekin Islam main rehney k liye Aqeeday ka sahi hona zaroori hai. Ek hota hai Amal na kerna or ek hota hai Amal ko na maan'na. Amal ko na kerney sey insaan kaafir nahi hota jab k Amal ko na maan'nay sey insaan kaafir ho jaata hai......For example ek shakhs namaz nahi parrhta lekin wo namaaz ko Islam ka ek rukn samajhta hai, is sey wo kaafir nahi ho jaayega lekin doosra shakhs agar ye kahay k namaz Islam ka rukn hai he nahi tou wo kaafir zaroor ho ga.........yahan ussi aqeeday ki baat ho rahi hai.

Doosri baat ye k humain is per koi shak o shuba nahi k humara Aqeeda sahi hai ya ghalat. AlhamdoLILLAH humain is baat per bilkul yaqeen hai k humara aqeedah sahi or Quran o Sunnah k mutaabiq hai.

Agar kisi shakhs ko apnay aqeeday per shuba ho k hum musalmaano ka aqeedah pata nahi sahi hai ya ghalat tou wo bhi Islam sey khaarij hai..........

Teesri baat ye k Tableegh k liye baaz log Surah Al Saff ki is aayat ko daleel bana ker paish kertey hain k " A eemaan waalo wo baat kiun kehtey ho jo kertey nahi"

or ye kehtey hain k bhai hum khud amal nahi kertey tou doosron ko kia kahain or humain pehley khud amal kerna chahiye phir apnay ghar waalon ko amal kerwana chahiye phir doosron ko kehna chahiye tou ye baat bilkul ghalat hai kiun k is aayat ki tafseel main ulama ne ye likkha hai k Allah Tala ne is aayat k zarye musalmaano ko jhoot sey mana fermaya hai jaisay k aik shakhs ne fajar ki namaz tou parrhi nahi or logon ko kehta phirta hai k main Tahajjud parrh k aaya hoon. Tou is cheez sey Allah ne mana fermaya na k tableegh or dawat sey. ye alag baat hai k khud amal na kerney waalay ki daawat main asar nahi hota.........

Agar tou is aayat ka ye matlab hota jo k log samajhtay hain tou phir Wo baap tou gunaah-e-kabeera ka murtakib ho jata jis ne khud tou hifaz na kia lekin apnay bacchay ko haafiz-e-Quran bananay k liye madressah main daakhil kerwaa diya....

Wallah-o-Alam

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Asalamualikum....Hanzla bhai kiya ap mjhy AKEEDAy ki defination bta sktay hai k AKEEDA kiya?...thn i tell ur rply answer

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Walikumossalam....

Please view below definition of Aqeedah in Islam.

Praise be to Allaah.

Aqeedah refers to those matters which are believed in, with certainty and conviction, in one’s heart and soul. They are not tainted with any doubt or uncertainty.

The Arabic word ‘aqeedah stems from the root ‘aqada, which conveys meanings of certainty, affirmation, confirmation, etc. In the Qur’aan, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"Allaah will not punish you for what is unintentional in your oaths, but He will punish you for your deliberate oaths (bimaa ‘aqqadtum al-aymaan)…"

[al-Maa’idah 5:87]

The verb paraphrased here as "deliberate oaths" is ‘aqqada/ta’qeed, which refers to when one has determination in the heart. It may be said in Arabic, ‘aqada’l-habl (the rope was tied), i.e., it was pulled tight together. The word i’tiqaad (belief) is also derived from this root, and has the meaning of tying up and making strong. The phrase a’taqadtu kadhaa (I believe such and such) means: I am convinced of it in my heart; this is a rational conviction.

In Islam, ‘aqeedah is the matter of knowledge. The Muslim must believe in his heart and have faith and conviction, with no doubts or misgivings, because Allaah has told him about ‘aqeedah in His Book and via His Revelations to His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

The principles of ‘aqeedah are those which Allaah has commanded us to believe in, as mentioned in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

"The Messenger (SAW) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allaah, His Angels, His Books and His Messengers. They say, ‘We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers’ – and they say, ‘We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all).’" [al-Baqarah 2:285]

- and as defined by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in the famous hadeeth which describes how Jibreel came to him and asked him about Islam etc.: "Eemaan (faith) is to believe in Allaah, His angels, His Books, the meeting with Him on the Last Day, His Messengers, and the Day of Resurrection."

So in Islam, ‘aqeedah refers to the matters which are known from the Qur’aan and sound ahaadeeth, and which the Muslim must believe in his heart, in acknowledgement of the truth of Allaah and His Messenger (SAW).

(Source: Sharh Lam’ah al-I’tiqaad by Ibn al-Uthaymeen, and al-‘Aqeedah fi-Allaah, by ‘Umar al-Ashqar).

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Asalam _0_Alikum

Main bas itna kahna chati hoo kay ap log itna zaroor sochyga kay Allah kay kisi banday ka dil dhukana gunnah hain Allah nay farmaya hain kay agar tum nay kisi ka dil dhukaya kisi ki haq talfi ki tu akhirat main jab tak wo mera banda maaf na karayga main nahi karoga Allah nay shia ya sunni nahi kaha aur my dear allz apkay kafir kahnay na kahnay say kisi shia par koi farak nahi partayga haan apkay shia ko kafir kahnay say un ki dil azarii hogi mainn nay kayi sunni logo ko mannat mantay hoi aur shiaoo ki majliss atend kartay dekha hain agar shia kafir hain tu q jatay hain majlis main mannat mantay hain ????? kisi mandir main ko nahi jatay mannay ??? sunni ho ya shia ya koi aur sab Allah kay banday hain Allah kay peda karda hain hamain har hall main shukar ada karna chayinn bas abu hanzala apka jawab main deyna chaooo gii kay yahoooddiii Allah ko mantay hogay par kaya wo Allah kay Rasool ko mantay hainn???so plz it is my request please weind up this topic hamain is baray main aur kuch nahi kahna this is may last post on this topic

Assalam-o-alaikum wr wb

Apki pichli post bhi ghoor say parhi or yeh jo quote ki yeh bhi ghoor say parhi bara dil dukha parh k..

pehli baat apnay kaha k Allah k bando ka dil dukhana gunah hai ???

tu app say sawal hai k MazAllah kia Allah swt kuch ghalat bhi karsaktay hainjo apnay aysa kaha??

meray sawal ka matalb yeh hai k jab Allah swt nayNabi saww ko dunya main bheja or khatm-e-nabuwwat saww ka taj

unko pehnya tu kia Allah nay Mohammad saww say pehlay ki ummatoon ka dil nahi dukhaya ??

kiuon k islam anay k bad jisnay kalma parha wo musalman kehlaya jisnay nahi parha wo kafir kehlaya na?

abb Mohammad saww nay bhi kia maazAllah ghalti ki jo nabuwwat milnay k bad faraan ki choti pay jama ho k

kuffar-e-makka ko awaz day k jama kia or elaan kia k logo main Allah swt ki tarf say bheja kia akhri nabi

hoon mere shareyaat main ajaoo islam ko apna lo or farmya k parho "kulloo La-illaha-illalahh inni mohammad-ur-rusoolAllah" k Allah ek hai or main oska akhri nabi hoon tu kia Nabi saww nay kuffar ka dil dukhaya??

kuffar-e-makka bhi tu ALlah k he banday thay naaa???

apki batoon say mazAllah Allah swt or nabi saww bhi nishana ban rahay hain ..

kiuon k kafir ko kafir kehna tu sunnatullah hai Allah pak nay khodh farmya k "qul-ya-aeyuhal-kafiroon" keh deyhja A kafirooooooo.. baqi mening tu apko pata he hongay agar sahib-e-quran hain tu ..

islam tu shoro he batil ki nafi say hota hai pehlay kalma ka "La" k matlab hain "Nahi" koe mabood sewayy Allah k

jab k shia or hindo k tu kaee mabood hain jin k naam ki wo nazar neyaz or mannat mangtay hain..

shia ka tu wo kalma he nahi tu Nabi saww nay Faraan ki choti pay chhar k jis kalma ki dawat di thi

shia tu kalma main tehreef karta hai..

shia ka tu quran he nahi wo tu kehta hai k yeh quran asli nahi ?? jab wo kehta hai k asli nahi or kehti hain

k Allah naraz hota hai os k banday ka dil dukhany waloon say tu apnay yeh baat kahan say seekhi ?? yaqeenan quran

say hadith say ?? jab k shia tu muhidateen ko maan behan ki galiyan bakta hai quran ko jali kehta hai kehta hai k Asli quran tu imam ghaeeb ghaar main laygea apnay sath ...Astaghfirullah

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shia kaeenat ka badtareen kafir hai kafir hai kafir hai ...

jo Allah ko na many kafir..

jo kalma ko na mannay wo kafir..

jo nabi saww ki nabuwwat ko na mannay wo kafir hai..jo nabi saww k samnay apnay 12imamo ki kahani garh k kahay

k imam masoom hota hai w kafir jo apnay imam ko nabuwwat ka darja day kafir..

jo quran ki ek ayat zer or zabar ka inkaar karay wo kafir..

jo nabi saww ki ahlebait ko galiyan bhonkay kafir

jo ashab-e-rusool saww ko galiyan day kafir..

jo yeh kahay k jannat jahnum ki gunjiyan Allah k pas nahi Ali k pas hain wo kafir..

jo zanna ko mutta ka naam day kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir hai wo

waqat ki kami hai es leyh short main baat ki

kami beshi Allah pak muaf farmayin ameen

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Abu Hanzala

very good answers sirf aik bat add karna chahoon ga k Amar bil maroof aur nahi anail munkar islam ka mustakil rukan hai .. jaisa k sooraye Asar main tozeeh k sath bian hai to abb Na sirf naikee ka hukam balkye agar koee ghlat aqayad philye uss ka radd karna bhee bhut zaroori tehra hai

Emad

i am very happy to see you on this topic i hope you will share with us more informative posts like this

Gambler keep on the good work !

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Assalam O Alikum ........ Plz koi member mujhay Books ref say ye baat bataye ga k Matam karna ghalat hai Islam main mana hai .......

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Ahaadis ki kitaabon main Khud ko aziyat deney se wazeh tor per mana fermaya gaya hai...Islam samait kisi bhi ahl-e-kitaab mazhab main khud ko aziyat dena, chahay wo maar peet k zerye sey ho ya kisi or soorat main, najaaiz or haraam hai.......

rona isi baat ka tou hai k Matam ka ziker kisi Ahaadis ki book samait kisi book main nahi werna agar ziker hota tou Khud ko aziyat deney k mutaradif jaan ker najaaiz or haraam qarar diya jata....Na kisi hadis main is ka ziker hai, na Nabi Akram (SAW) k kisi amal sey is baat ka suboot milta hai....agar Matam kerna jaaiz hota tou Janab-e-Muhammmad RasoolULLAH (SAW) k wisaal per Sahaba Karam (RA)or un k baad main aanay walay matam kertey.......or aaj tak matam hota....jab k Darhaqeeqat Islam main sirf 3 din ka sog kerna jaaiz hai...is sey ziadah hergiz nahi.....Hazrat Hussain (RA) ki shahadat per ronay or Maarnay peetnay waalon ka amal dramay baazi k siwa kuch nahi....kiun k Shaheed Quran ki nazar main ALLAH k haan zindah hain or Rizq paa rahay hain......

doosri baat ye k jis amal ka Quran or Hadees main ziker na ho or Sahaba karaam k zamanay main bhi na hota ho tou aisa amal Biddat kehlata hai yani wo amal jo Islam ka hissa na ho or Sawaab samajh ker kia jata ho, aisa amal gumraahi k siwa kuch nahi...or aisa kerney waalon ka hashar Gumraahon or Mushrikeen k saath hoga......inshaALLAH....

WALLAHO ALAM

Edited by Abu_Hanzala

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Hmm. ji bro sahi kaha ap nay islam main aisa kahin pay bhi nhi k jahan Matam jaiz ho.... aik baat aur ap say pochna chahoon ge k Shai ka manna hai k Hum BB Zainab ki dua hain jo hum matam kartay hain..... is ka kia matlab hua ?... kyn k jahan tak maine parha hai Hazrat BB Zainab (RA)ki badua thi k tum log taqayamat matam karty raho gay.

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Ahle-Tashee ki kisi baat ka koi matlab nikalta he nahi...saari ki saari irrational baatein hain jin ka Islam sey koi wasta nahi....or na he insaani aqal is baat ko tasleem ker sakti hai..Means saari khilaaf-e-aqal baatein.....

Ghorron ki pooja kernay waalon sey aap yehi kuch expect ker saktay hain.....

aap agar pichli posts parrhain tou maloom hoga k her sawaal k jawaab main koi aisa jawaab diya jis ka sawaal sey koi taaluq he nahi......matlab sawaal gandum, jawaab channa.........bal k main tou ye kahoon ga k sawaal Murghi ka or Jawab Dinosaurs ka ...

Dua ya Bad'dua ka tou mujhe maloom nahi lekin in k ghalat aqaaid ki wajah sey Matam in k ooper Allah k azaab k ilawa kuch nahi......

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very nice example bro, since we r on this topic, may bhi aik baat karna chahoon ga kay ab har jaga media me aur sarii jaga, specailly muharm k month me yeh baat boht kahi jati hay k Islam zinda hota hay har karbala k baad, iska kiya matlab hua kionkay agar logically dekha jaye to karbala ke baad to Islam 2 tukron me ho gaya tha sunni aur shia kay, me bhi mera logic ghalat ho, lakin mujajy to yehi samjh ati hay yeh sub kehna ghalat hay aur dekha jaye to ajkal hum kitnay fakhar se kehtay hain yeh baat. so i wanna to hear ur opinion on it too.

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